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[Salaya]

On my two playthroughs, I was uncapable of not saving Fenryel [I mean the quest involving entering the Fade; you enter there to save a "hal-elf" guy ]. For what I've read on wikis and gamefaqs, the reward for doing so is just a "junk" item -"Tome of the Slumbering Elders".

But something bugs me. The Keeper tells Hawke that the book has "rare" magic within. Is there some kind of secret involving this item? Keeping iside the inventory provides some kind of benefit? I've exprienced a bit, but I'm pretty sure that the effects, if exists, does not show clearly. 

On the other hand... I have the bad feeling that...well, it does not serve to any purpose at all xD. That, indeed, it is just "junk". If that's the case, why the dev-team bothered in that cinematic? (the one with the keeper stating the tome's importance). Is another case of bad planning and rush development? (and I'm not meaning any disrespect; In fact I think all this quest is great But the conclusion confuses me a lot)

Any light on this matter?

[whykikyouwhy]

I don't think there is any secret - there's nothing to unlock, to my knowledge. It's just a junk item. As to why it's not anything more, I have no clue.

I'm a bit upset that the Book of Suggestive Caricatures wasn't something more. Now that could have had a great backstory.

[hoorayforicecream]

Hm... that's actually not a bad idea for a mod. Make the bloody tome of slumbering elders an actual worthwhile reward. Maybe a book that grants an ability point or something?

[TEWR]

It's worth close to a sovereign (at least 85 silver). That's all that's special to it.

The game is a lie.

[Rifneno]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

I don't think there is any secret - there's nothing to unlock, to my knowledge. It's just a junk item. As to why it's not anything more, I have no clue.

I'm a bit upset that the Book of Suggestive Caricatures wasn't something more. Now that could have had a great backstory.

The best junk item was definitely, "Rod of Fire Request Form."  I laughed until I puked blood when I first saw that.

Edit to add:

And I think the real problem with the tome is that the buy and sell prices in this game are apparently made assuming your character is selling food stamps for crack money.  If every merchant in Kirkwall wasn't greedier than a loan shark then the tome would actually fetch a decent price.

Modifié par Rifneno, 20 juillet 2011 - 12:07 .

[Macropodmum]

Rifneno wrote...

The best junk item was definitely, "Rod of Fire Request Form."  I laughed until I puked blood when I first saw that.
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I had a giggle when I got that the first time.

The tome reminds me of the one you get doing some quest for the Dalish in DAO, with the exception that you could swap it to get your acorn.  It would be good if it did actually do something, I hate the uncertainty with these items so I stuffed it in my storage trunk just in case   To me it seems kind of ungrateful to flog off to the merchants what was so valuable to the Dalish (but then I am a sentamentalist), I would be more likely to stuff it in my trunk and read it when I got the chance.... 

[MinotaurWarrior]

It's a tome of ancient elven magical secrets. Too bad nobody knows how to read the ancient elven language, beyond a few words. It sells for so cheap because to a merchant, it's basically just a bunch of papers covered with some really lame art.

[Rifneno]

MinotaurWarrior wrote...

It's a tome of ancient elven magical secrets. Too bad nobody knows how to read the ancient elven language, beyond a few words. It sells for so cheap because to a merchant, it's basically just a bunch of papers covered with some really lame art.

It's a shame we don't have a party member that has an unhealthy obsession with elven history and dangerous magic...  that'd be like the perfect person to find some use for it.  Ahh well.

[MinotaurWarrior]

The elven language was lost thousands of years ago, with only a few scraps remaining. It's possible to puzzle out how to work a device such as the Eluvian, but it simply isn't possible to puzzle out how to read a book written in a lost language without a whole massive archaelogical effort. It's like if some ancient Chinese man walked into your living room. He might grab your remote, accidentally push a few buttons, figure out the remote - tv association, and go from there, but there's no way he'd be able to figure out how to read the book you left out on your coffee table.

[Salaya]

MinotaurWarrior wrote...

It's a tome of ancient elven magical secrets. Too bad nobody knows how to read the ancient elven language, beyond a few words. It sells for so cheap because to a merchant, it's basically just a bunch of papers covered with some really lame art.

Good answer

Unfortunatelly, that leaves almost no sense at all to the cinematic about the keeper stating the tome's importance. Of course, the game outcome about the tome has some sense given that explanation, but if that's the case, the result is somewhat confusing, at least.

Hey... about that tome "Book of suggestive caricatures"... you were kidding, no? xDDD I don't remember that.

By the way, the "rod of fire..." was a nice little detail (me, the mage lover xD)

[whykikyouwhy]

The Book of Suggestive Caricatures is a loot item in the "Favor and Fault" quest, I believe.

[Salaya]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

The Book of Suggestive Caricatures is a loot item in the "Favor and Fault" quest, I believe.

Thanks

Maybe I was tired of reading loot-junk names by that time ^_^u

[Sajuro]

No evidence to support this but:
It could have originally summoned the formless one until they were like "That would be kind of dickish for people who hadn't save before using it" and just didn't leave him in the game for another time.

[Rifneno]

MinotaurWarrior wrote...

The elven language was lost thousands of years ago, with only a few scraps remaining. It's possible to puzzle out how to work a device such as the Eluvian, but it simply isn't possible to puzzle out how to read a book written in a lost language without a whole massive archaelogical effort. It's like if some ancient Chinese man walked into your living room. He might grab your remote, accidentally push a few buttons, figure out the remote - tv association, and go from there, but there's no way he'd be able to figure out how to read the book you left out on your coffee table.

It's not the frickin' Voynich Manuscript, and the language is far from completely lost. I'm not saying it would be easy, but the eluvian is likely much harder. And she's not trying to use it, she's trying to fix it. For your analogy to be apt, the Chinese guy would have to fix a badly broken TV that's been laying around for centuries before he messes with the remote.

[TEWR]

Technically Merrill's trying to make it. It's a brand new Eluvian that she's making using just the shard and what lore she had on hand.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 20 juillet 2011 - 02:06 .

[Macropodmum]

Hmmm, do I remember getting a hold of a book in the circle tower on how to read / decipher ancient elven languages in Witch hunt? I believe so...

[Salaya]

I think it's even simplier than that ^_^u

Since there are many details completely subjective and gradient about that explanation (the one given by Minotaurwarrior), I think it's better to take it as just "reasonable". There are many ways to deny it. But that said, there are tons of things that did not make any sense with Origins lore on DA2, but are there.

So, asuming that the explanation was right, and the devs were having that in mind, why they kept the cinematic with the keeper saying "oh, Hawke, I'm giving you this of the utmost importance!"? Or even worse (better maybe? xD) is there any explanation that's coherent with that cinematic? That's what leads me to believe (hope) it has some use ^_^u

Modifié par Salaya, 20 juillet 2011 - 02:19 .

[FieryDove]

Salaya wrote...

I think it's even simplier than that ^_^u

Since there are many details completely subjective and gradient about that explanation (the one given by Minotaurwarrior), I think it's better to take it as just "reasonable". There are many ways to deny it. But that said, there are tons of things that did not make any sense with Origins lore on DA2, but are there.

So, asuming that the explanation was right, and the devs were having that in mind, why they kept the cinematic with the keeper saying "oh, Hawke, I'm giving you this of the utmost importance!"? Or even worse (better maybe? xD) is there any explanation that's coherent with that cinematic? That's what leads me to believe (hope) it has some use ^_^u

First time I did that quest I thought it bugged. I looked all over for the rare magical item, check my stats thinking maybe it gave a boost to MR or something. Then I found it. I...was...not...impressed.

[Icy Magebane]

Maybe the devs changed their minds about the book actually giving ability points because it led playtesters to always choose that option... and then they didn't bother with altering Marethari's description of it? Sounds like something they'd do...

I kept the thing in my inventory for a long time before I realized it didn't do anything... hard to believe it was just some junk you could find anywhere.

Modifié par Icy Magebane, 21 juillet 2011 - 02:51 .

[rwscissors702]

Hawke: Merrill, what the hell is this? *holding Tome of the Slumbering Elders *
Merrill: It's a book, Hawke.
Hawke: Ugh, I know... there aren't any pictures in it, the pages are covered with these funny marks.
Merrill: Words?
Hawke: I guess, what am I supposed to do with it?
Merrill: You could read...
Hawke: I know, I'll sell it to that guy that buys all the broken crap I find!
Merrill facepalms at Hawke.

[Sinaxi]

Honestly I think it's just a joke. The Keeper is like "it has a rare magic, beyond price." AKA, it's just a sentimental thing that has absolutely no real value. The player expects it to like award them with something but it doesn't lol. I think it should have at least been like a codex entry or something, not just a book that is "junk" that you can't even attempt to read.

[blaidfiste]

I bet the reward will show in an expansion or DA3

[berelinde]

It magically reduces your inventory space by one.

[FieryDove]

berelinde wrote...

It magically reduces your inventory space by one.

Lol...ok that is the best one yet.

/You win