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[Dudeman315]

This just bothered me, but why did soverign try to activate the citidel relay at all?  The timeline for the end ME1 to Arrival show no more than 4 years pass before the Reapers would make it to the Alpha Relay.  I really hope we get an answer to why the super intellegent machine race would even try to access the citidel after it didn't work with the signal to the keepers if it only takes 4 years max to manually fly to the galaxy.  Unless they started flying here earlier and took the Dark space relay with them(why?) it really makes no sense to give up the element of surprise when you could have just waited 4 years. And why tip your tentacle with abducting human colonies, Harbringer, when you know you wouldn't finish reaper baby until after your buddies arrive? 

Why are reapers so impatient?

[robarcool]

So, you want the reapers to fly out to the galaxy, showing up like idiots and be destroyed by the collective forces of the galaxy? Well, if you remember Vigil's tale, they want Citadel relay access to mount a surprise attack on the leadership of the galaxy and gain all the info about the current organic races from the Citadel. Then they systematically eliminate the races.

[marshalleck]

Dudeman315 wrote...

Why are reapers so impatient?

Because they're poorly written. There are no good answers to the questions you're asking. Also, be prepared for a bunch of people thinking they're clever coming in here to tell you the Reapers attack the Citadel to cut off the head of galactic government, even though that's not an answer to the question you asked.

Modifié par marshalleck, 20 juillet 2011 - 03:52 .

[Rogue Unit]

Dudeman315 wrote...

This just bothered me, but why did soverign try to activate the citidel relay at all?  The timeline for the end ME1 to Arrival show no more than 4 years pass before the Reapers would make it to the Alpha Relay.  I really hope we get an answer to why the super intellegent machine race would even try to access the citidel after it didn't work with the signal to the keepers if it only takes 4 years max to manually fly to the galaxy.  Unless they started flying here earlier and took the Dark space relay with them(why?) it really makes no sense to give up the element of surprise when you could have just waited 4 years. And why tip your tentacle with abducting human colonies, Harbringer, when you know you wouldn't finish reaper baby until after your buddies arrive? 

Why are reapers so impatient?

They aren't as intelligent as they want you to believe they are.

[shepskisaac]

Running out of whatever fuels them?

[robarcool]

marshalleck wrote...

Dudeman315 wrote...

Why are reapers so impatient?

Because they're poorly written. There are no good answers to the questions you're asking. Also, be prepared for a bunch of people thinking they're clever coming in here to tell you the Reapers attack the Citadel to cut off the head of galactic government, even though that's not an answer to the question you asked.

Ok, I get it that you said that about my post, but I didn't understand that why the surprise attack thing is not an answer to the OP's question?

[XDMMX]

Try sitting 50,000 years in space and see how patient you would be!

Anyways, I agree with the op, and why did the Reapers waste time having the Collectors use Humans to make a Human/Reaper hybrid, potentially exposing the Reapers existence to the galaxy?

And how come the reapers don't just wait another 100 years for Shepard to die of old age?

[Scorpion1O1]

It is possible that since they know Sovereign was destroyed, they must believe that the organic races are aware of the Reapers existence and their plans, not knowing of the internal cover up and disagreements over the Reapers existence. So they must believe that they should attack the galaxy now while the galaxy races are their level of technological, biological and social evolution, rather then later when the galaxy will be better prepared for an invasion.

[robarcool]

XDMMX wrote...

Try sitting 50,000 years in space and see how patient you would be!

Anyways, I agree with the op, and why did the Reapers waste time having the Collectors use Humans to make a Human/Reaper hybrid, potentially exposing the Reapers existence to the galaxy?

And how come the reapers don't just wait another 100 years for Shepard to die of old age?

Lol!

[Raiil]

I always figured it was due to being found out. If Shepard had never discovered that Saren accidentally Nihlus's skull, he would have gone on his merry way and things would have happened per the norm. Instead, Shepard gets fried by the first beacon, learns about the protheans, discovers that Saren has gone and killed his buddy, and manages to make it back to the Citadel, thus throwing all the plans into disarray. Sovereign tried to revert to plan B and ended up in bite-sized pieces for their troubles.

I suppose that without knowing exactly how many times the Reapers have been discovered before they decided to come out into the open, it's impossible to know if they had any sort of contingency plan.

[Les_Carver]

Something tells me they are desperate. (or they're going to be desperate in ME3). As if there's something of importance in the galaxy they need to get back to use it elsewhere... [this is when all the theories about the Reapers waging wars all over the universe/other galaxies with those light beings and stuff like that comes in].

The only reason I'm inclined to think something like that could be one of the answers BioWare might give to your questions, is because there's a way to win this war but we haven't seen it in the parts of the Galaxy we've explored so far. there might be something external or unknown to organics that they can use to win.

[shepskisaac]

Scorpion1O1 wrote...

It is possible that since they know Sovereign was destroyed, they must believe that the organic races are aware of the Reapers existence and their plans, not knowing of the internal cover up and disagreements over the Reapers existence. So they must believe that they should attack the galaxy now while the galaxy races are their level of technological, biological and social evolution, rather then later when the galaxy will be better prepared for an invasion.

Perfect explanation. Sovereign's failure exposed them. They can't assume "ohh maybe the galactic civilization won't treat it seriously", no half-intelligent villain would. Frankly, it's a reason why I don't consider Human-Reaper a Plan B, a replacement for Sovereign. With Sovereign exposing himself, the element of surprise is gone forever from the Reapers plan. So whatever their reasons were to began constructing the Human Reaper, it was something else than Plan B to pour through the Citadel. I think they've started their journey to the Milky Way right after Sovereign was destroyed and made the Collectors work on the Human-Reaper for other, yet unknown reason(s).

[AtreiyaN7]

The Citadel seems to be their preferred method for launching sneak attacks based on what Vigil said, as the Reapers can use it to basically cut off communication and keep the intelligent organic-based civilizations from realizing that there's an invasion going on until it's way too late. They can isolate star systems and keep them in the dark, easily picking civilizations off one by one.

That the Keepers changed slightly over the last 50,000-odd years AND that the Protheans managed to come up with a back door into the Citadel AND that Shepard ended up being a fly in the ointment who managed to wreck their plans was basically a lucky confluence of events. We got lucky - otherwise, their plan would have worked, and they would have gotten here on schedule.

Let's face it: being super-intelligent doesn't preclude one from becoming greedy or overly confident. Maybe they are so overconfident that they didn't anticipate the possibility that anything could stop them or that some minor issue with the Keepers would contribute to Sovereign's defeat. Maybe there was even an element of curiosity about what was going on with the Keepers since they hadn't experienced such quirks previously during their past harvests.

EDIT: As Sovereign's destruction shows, it's not impossible to kill a Reaper (ditto with the derelict Reaper - something killed it too). I assume that Reapers think a stealth assault via the Citadel leaves organics without enough time to marshal a unified defense and with the Reapers suffering minimal (if any) casualties.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 20 juillet 2011 - 04:24 .

[Ryzaki]

The Reapers can't wait for Shepard to kick the bucket naturally and hack into galactic communications like the Geth to see if anyone believes Shepard's ravings. 

That's too logical.
Nevermind the fact that they're supposedly machines.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 20 juillet 2011 - 04:14 .

[Dariustwinblade]

The Reapers are in heat. Hence they NEED ORGANICS to reproduce. Or else they have to wait 50,000 to go back to heat again.

[Scorpion1O1]

Dariustwinblade wrote...

The Reapers are in heat. Hence they NEED ORGANICS to reproduce. Or else they have to wait 50,000 to go back to heat again.

One of the reasons the like Shepard so much, poor Shepard
"We fight or ...nevermind"

[pablodurando]

The alpha relay was a backup plan, the main plan was and has always been to use the citadel through the keepers. Sovereign could be the one that's considered impatient, but you could credit that with his extreme arrogance and confidence.

[wizardryforever]

This is a major plot point that hasn't really been answered satisfactorily.  Why did the Reapers pick now to attack?  Why is our technology "ripe" for harvesting now, and not 100 years ago or 100 in the future?  No one really knows (in universe).  I think this, along with the Reapers' motivations, will be revealed in ME3.

[fenix8081]

Granted they're more machine than man, the Reapers are still part organic and they're arrogant bastards based on our interactions with Sovereign and Harbringer. Who's to say that they need to be all logic. They've done this how many times before, maybe they're just getting sloppy. The fact that they're arrogant just plays into that. Then again, if you were a massive organic machine, you probe wouldn't fear a puny human either.

[RocketManSR2]

I just think the reapers are running out of time. Sovereign was desperate. That's the impression I got, anyway.

[Bogsnot1]

Plan A) Rachni Wars
Plan Saren & Geth
Plan C) Collectors and Human Reaper
Plan D) Zerg Rush

Theyre running out of options.

[Siansonea]

We don't know how long overdue the Reapers' invasion is. The Alpha Relay contingent may not be the entire population of Reapers. It may be that when the originally scheduled opening of the Citadel Relay failed to occur on schedule, a contingent of Reapers was dispatched at FTL speeds toward the Alpha Relay (talk about bad planning, seriously as Plan Bs go, this one sucks). That means that there might be a group of Reapers, perhaps even the majority of them, sitting at the Dark Space Relay. Nazara may have been trying to open the Citadel to bring them through. But Reapers are stupid. Why would Nazara go through all that rigamarole? Why not just let Saren introduce the Citadel Control staff to Reaper Indoctrination? Then Saren could attack with impunity, especially if he was somehow able to smuggle deactivated geth onto the Citadel the same way Benezia smuggled them onto Noveria. Really, if the Reapers are this stupid, they shouldn't be too hard to defeat in ME3.

[HappyHappyJoyJoy]

Remember, the Reapers are already way behind schedule. If they did indeed Indoctrinate the Rachni as was implied, then Sovereign must have known about a problem with the Keepers since the time the Rachni Wars began - so you are already looking at hundreds of years.

[marshalleck]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Plan A) Rachni Wars
Plan Saren & Geth
Plan C) Collectors and Human Reaper
Plan D) Zerg Rush

Theyre running out of options.

That all still begs the question: 

When Citadel was first discovered unresponsive, why not

A) Fly back to Alpha relay
Use Alpha relay to jump directly to the Citadel
C) Annihilate unsuspecting Citadel defenses, proceed with extinction



Answer: because in Mass Effect, it's not that Shepard is awesome, so much as it is the antagonists in the series are all woefully incompetent. Even the Reapers. 

[Dudeman315]

The collectors tried to buy Shepard's body from the Shadow Broker--I'm sure they could have found out about the cover-up....I understand the stated principal about the head of the government but they are after 4 years arriving from Dark Space with intentions on harvesting the galaxy. So taking out the galactic government failed twice at the point, once with the keepers and once with sovereign--In 4 years (the time it takes for a vote on a new American president) the reapers could have had the entire reaper army assault the citadel from the alpha relay more less by surprise?