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[Halo Quea]

The 50k time table is probably not just an alarm clock that goes off in dark space that wakes the Reapers up. The time table probably is an estimation of what the Reapers know they can handle from whatever galactic civilizations exist at the time the cycle of extinction begins.

The Reapers probably look at the time line as a safe guard. If they delay past the 50K mark then they run the risk of the civilizations they wish to harvest advancing past the technological standards they have set in place. What if galactic civilizations decided to create their own mass relays? What if their A.I.s become advanced enough to counter the Reapers, or even find ways to shut them down?

I don't think it's about impatience as much as it's about the risks they run by being hesitant.

[Halo Quea]

sorry dbl pst

Modifié par Halo Quea, 20 juillet 2011 - 04:33 .

[robarcool]

marshalleck wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Plan A) Rachni Wars
Plan Saren & Geth
Plan C) Collectors and Human Reaper
Plan D) Zerg Rush

Theyre running out of options.

That all still begs the question: 

When Citadel was first discovered unresponsive, why not

A) Fly back to Alpha relay
Use Alpha relay to jump directly to the Citadel
C) Annihilate unsuspecting Citadel defenses, proceed with extinction



Answer: because in Mass Effect, it's not that Shepard is awesome, so much as it is the antagonists in the series are all woefully incompetent. Even the Reapers. 

Hmm. Your answer makes sense.

[ShadowLordXXX]

Ryzaki wrote...

The Reapers can't wait for Shepard to kick the bucket naturally and hack into galactic communications like the Geth to see if anyone believes Shepard's ravings. 

That's too logical.
Nevermind the fact that they're supposedly machines.

So if you were the reapers, being exceptionally logical, you wouldnt assume you were exposed, because nobody in PUBLIC believes you exist?

Lets face it, while the Council, STG, Alliance etc may all publicly denounce the concept of "Reapers", but we have no idea if they aren't privately doing something about it(Maelon mentions something about Mordin's work on Reaper indoctrination, although that could be another instance like where people reference Ardat Yakshi like its common knowledge when Samara tells you it's a fairly well kept secret) and further more the Reapers don't know if they're doing something about it, so it makes sense that the Reapers would believe its now time to attack.

[pablodurando]

marshalleck wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Plan A) Rachni Wars
Plan Saren & Geth
Plan C) Collectors and Human Reaper
Plan D) Zerg Rush

Theyre running out of options.

That all still begs the question: 

When Citadel was first discovered unresponsive, why not

A) Fly back to Alpha relay
Use Alpha relay to jump directly to the Citadel
C) Annihilate unsuspecting Citadel defenses, proceed with extinction



Answer: because in Mass Effect, it's not that Shepard is awesome, so much as it is the antagonists in the series are all woefully incompetent. Even the Reapers. 

That could be explained by their key character trait, overconfidence.  So yes, Reapers truly are incompetent.

[HTTP 404]

because if Sovereign succeeded it would have been a cake walk for the reapers. but now the reapers have to take to slow route in reaping the universe. I think OPs answer ties into how we beat the reapers.

[marshalleck]

mrsph wrote...

They attack the Citadel first because it cuts the head off the snake from the get-go. Wiping out the Galaxies leadership, and giving them full access to census data that allows them to find all of the other inhabited planets.

Looks like you guys need Vega.

Called it.

[JetsoverEverything]

why are you so impatient? maybe the answers you want are in ME3

[vader da slayer]

Reasons why they are impatient.

1) Soveriegn was destroyed by the current galactic civilization and to top that off they haven't been able to contact the citadel relay.
2) This leads them to think (as they have no way of knowing) that the current populace of the galaxy is beyond the technological threshold that the 50k years says they should be.
3) With this being the only second known reaper kill by the galactic populace and this time they are able to block the citadel relay's remote activation the Reapers are probably feeling the closest thing a computer can feel to fear, which is also driving them to move as quickly as possible keep their chances of success as high as possible.

If that isn't clear to you just through logic then I don't know what to tell you. Also Collector-Reaper connection is only known by a very few people. So the human abductions were easy to do without risk of discovery.

[Scorpion1O1]

marshalleck wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Plan A) Rachni Wars
Plan Saren & Geth
Plan C) Collectors and Human Reaper
Plan D) Zerg Rush

Theyre running out of options.

That all still begs the question: 

When Citadel was first discovered unresponsive, why not

A) Fly back to Alpha relay
Use Alpha relay to jump directly to the Citadel
C) Annihilate unsuspecting Citadel defenses, proceed with extinction



Answer: because in Mass Effect, it's not that Shepard is awesome, so much as it is the antagonists in the series are all woefully incompetent. Even the Reapers. 

It is possible that the Reapers were being lazy. To use the Alpha relay would require the journey to our galaxy, a journey they were trying to avoid with the shortcut of the Citadel relay. Once Sovereign was destroyed they wanted to use the Human-Reaper to replace Sovereign. Since that didnt work they resorted to travel which might require a significant amount of energy for that long journey from dark space into the Milky Way. The Alpha relay is not a shortcut to dark space as the Citadel is, it's just a shortcut through out the galaxy internally. Now they have to still take the long road and since Sol system is located close to the Viper Nebula, thats there next stop.

[XDMMX]

Dariustwinblade wrote...

The Reapers are in heat. Hence they NEED ORGANICS to reproduce. Or else they have to wait 50,000 to go back to heat again.

Reapers are Females?

I sense a new romance interest for Shepard!

[Iakus]

marshalleck wrote...

That all still begs the question: 

When Citadel was first discovered unresponsive, why not

A) Fly back to Alpha relay
Use Alpha relay to jump directly to the Citadel
C) Annihilate unsuspecting Citadel defenses, proceed with extinction



Answer: because in Mass Effect, it's not that Shepard is awesome, so much as it is the antagonists in the series are all woefully incompetent. Even the Reapers. 

The impression I got was that the Alpha relay was a primary relay.  Those are the ones that can send things huge distances, but only link to one other spot (like the Conduit)  In this case, the Alpha Relay linked to a relay out on the very edge of dark space.  Once in batarian space, the Reapers can access secondary relays (the shorter range ones that connect to multiple other relays) and wackiness can ensue.  

Thus this whole Arrival thing was a proverbial spare key under the doormat.  And extra way back into the galaxy in case the Citadel failed for whatever reason.  As far as it goes, it makes sense.

The only scenerio I can think of as to why they're doing this now instead of two thousand years ago when Sovereign presumably first learned the Keepers weren't responding is:  Sovereign's death.  I can assume that to an immortal race of machine creatures, they're willing to take the long view and let Sovereign take his time to figure out what's wrong.  It's not like these organics are going anywhere, right?  But when they actually managed to kill Sovereign, they sat up and took notice.  I could imagine them deciding that enough was enough, time to show these upstart organics what's what.  So they've spent the next 2-3 years taking the long way home.

Now this doesn't take into account the Reaper the Collectors were building.  I have no clue how that's supposed to fit into anything.  Nor do I know what the Reapers are going to do about the Citadel once they do arrive.  I assume that will be covered in ME3.   For all we know, it's already under siege or fallen by the time Earth is attacked.

[Il Divo]

iakus wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

That all still begs the question: 

When Citadel was first discovered unresponsive, why not

A) Fly back to Alpha relay
Use Alpha relay to jump directly to the Citadel
C) Annihilate unsuspecting Citadel defenses, proceed with extinction



Answer: because in Mass Effect, it's not that Shepard is awesome, so much as it is the antagonists in the series are all woefully incompetent. Even the Reapers. 

The impression I got was that the Alpha relay was a primary relay.  Those are the ones that can send things huge distances, but only link to one other spot (like the Conduit)  In this case, the Alpha Relay linked to a relay out on the very edge of dark space.  Once in batarian space, the Reapers can access secondary relays (the shorter range ones that connect to multiple other relays) and wackiness can ensue.  

Thus this whole Arrival thing was a proverbial spare key under the doormat.  And extra way back into the galaxy in case the Citadel failed for whatever reason.  As far as it goes, it makes sense.

The only scenerio I can think of as to why they're doing this now instead of two thousand years ago when Sovereign presumably first learned the Keepers weren't responding is:  Sovereign's death.  I can assume that to an immortal race of machine creatures, they're willing to take the long view and let Sovereign take his time to figure out what's wrong.  It's not like these organics are going anywhere, right?  But when they actually managed to kill Sovereign, they sat up and took notice.  I could imagine them deciding that enough was enough, time to show these upstart organics what's what.  So they've spent the next 2-3 years taking the long way home.

Fully agree.

Now this doesn't take into account the Reaper the Collectors were building.  I have no clue how that's supposed to fit into anything.  Nor do I know what the Reapers are going to do about the Citadel once they do arrive.  I assume that will be covered in ME3.   For all we know, it's already under siege or fallen by the time Earth is attacked.

The problem with the human reaper is that we don't have a clear time table for when Arrival starts, since it can be played at any point during the main quest. With the reaper itself, the new vanguard theory works pretty well, since it would offer the Reapers another opportunity to take the Citadel. Once Shepard ruins the Collectors/Shadowbroker, the Reapers don't really have any options at this point but to go the long way. I'm hoping we get more Reaper conversations with ME3 to find out their plans in full.

[LuxDragon]

50k is long enough for galactic civilization to reach a point where the Reapers have enough people to harvest. They moved, colonized other worlds, and multiplied.

On the other hand, going past 50k means they'll keep growing in technology. Probably to the point where dreadnoughts could smoke a Reaper and the captain will laugh at their pitiful efforts.

It's a matter of having enough to make another Reaper to technological growth.

[Sanunes]

There can be multiple reasons and the Reapers might not be flushed out completely yet, but really they haven't been the main foe in the games yet, there is a lot of hushed talk about them, but very little is really known either to us or the people in the game.

For one of the questions I have is how long have the Reapers really been travelling out of Dark Space, for all we really know is that Shepard destroyed Sovereign when he became impatient and started to use organics to help him regain control of the Citadel. The way I am thinking is that the Reapers have been travelling for decades if not centuries already because the call from the Citadel never came, but they were awoken by their programming for it was time for the cycle to begin.

Regarding the Collectors, I am not sure why they were harvesting humans before the rest of the Reapers came, maybe they wanted to try to create another Reaper to try to open the Citadel relay and they wanted to use Shepard as a key component to that Reaper. If that is the case I would have figured they were still further away then they were.

There could be two reasons I think why they aren't waiting to attack, one is that they don't want to give organics time to prepare a defense or technology that could make their attack more resource intense then what it has been in previous cycles. The other is that they might be low on resources that they need from Organics and cannot go into hibernation and wait longer because they have been delayed in the harvesting and used up most of their resources stockpiled from harvesting the Protheans.

Either way I am probably way off and I am looking forward to how far off I am when ME3 is released.

[Bogsnot1]

marshalleck wrote...
When Citadel was first discovered unresponsive, why not

A) Fly back to Alpha relay

Reaper Trollface: "Are we there yet? 
Are we there yet? 
Are we there yet? 
Are we there yet? 
Are we there yet?  
Are we there yet?"
Harby: "I swear to god, you say that one more time, I'll turn this fleet around andhead back into dark space!" 

They eventually ran out of plans, so Harby had no choice but to put up with Trallface's whinging. 

[Ryzaki]

ShadowLordXXX wrote...
So if you were the reapers, being exceptionally logical, you wouldnt assume you were exposed, because nobody in PUBLIC believes you exist?

Lets face it, while the Council, STG, Alliance etc may all publicly denounce the concept of "Reapers", but we have no idea if they aren't privately doing something about it(Maelon mentions something about Mordin's work on Reaper indoctrination, although that could be another instance like where people reference Ardat Yakshi like its common knowledge when Samara tells you it's a fairly well kept secret) and further more the Reapers don't know if they're doing something about it, so it makes sense that the Reapers would believe its now time to attack.

You really think the Reapers are incapable of hacking into classified databases? Really? 

[Iakus]

Il Divo wrote...

The problem with the human reaper is that we don't have a clear time table for when Arrival starts, since it can be played at any point during the main quest. With the reaper itself, the new vanguard theory works pretty well, since it would offer the Reapers another opportunity to take the Citadel. Once Shepard ruins the Collectors/Shadowbroker, the Reapers don't really have any options at this point but to go the long way. I'm hoping we get more Reaper conversations with ME3 to find out their plans in full.

The problem here is that it's already been tried twice now by Sovereign.  Once with the rachni and once with the geth.  You know what the definition of insanity is, right?  

And whether the trip bak to the galaxy is three months or three years, the fleet would still  likely be there long before the new Reaper was complete.  By the end of the game, EDI said it was still in a very early stage of development.  As a replacement for Sovereign,. or a new vanguard for the next culling I can buy.  but for this one all it did was tip the Reapers' hand as to the COllectors.

[shepskisaac]

iakus wrote...
Now this doesn't take into account the Reaper the Collectors were building.  I have no clue how that's supposed to fit into anything.

Frankly, the Human-Reaper doesn't seem to have any special purpouse outside of their standard reproduction-procedure. The Collectores began evaluating the genetic material of the galactic races even before the events in ME1. It seems that the Reapers would've began building a new Reaper one way or another and the entire goal of ME2 was just preventing more people from dying (by being captured by the Collectors) while waiting for the Reapers' arrival.

[Iakus]

Sanunes wrote...

For one of the questions I have is how long have the Reapers really been travelling out of Dark Space, for all we really know is that Shepard destroyed Sovereign when he became impatient and started to use organics to help him regain control of the Citadel. The way I am thinking is that the Reapers have been travelling for decades if not centuries already because the call from the Citadel never came, but they were awoken by their programming for it was time for the cycle to begin.
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The problem here is that if the Reapers had been flying in for that long, opening the CItadel relay would have been pointless, since the Reapers would then have had to fly back to their dark space relay to get to the Citadel.  This is why I think they have only been traveling since the end of ME1, when their vanguard was destroyed and there was no one left to open the Citadel relay for them.

[shepskisaac]

Sanunes wrote...
Regarding the Collectors, I am not sure why they were harvesting humans before the rest of the Reapers came,

I can think of few reasons.

1. If they start building a new Reaper after already attacking or after already destroying the galactic civilization, there may not be enough people anymore (of the race that was selected to be Reaper-ized) to construct the new Reaper. All the fights with the Reapers, hell, some races could possibly destroy themselves if they learnt about the Reapers' plan. Reapers would have to consider this and in all cases, it's better to start creating new Reaper before the invasion and galactic war and all the mess that comes with it.
2. Using people of a race that was selected to be Reaper-ized will obviously weaken that race. Only a plus after the Reapers already arrive.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 20 juillet 2011 - 05:27 .

[marshalleck]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...
When Citadel was first discovered unresponsive, why not

A) Fly back to Alpha relay

Reaper Trollface: "Are we there yet? 
Are we there yet? 
Are we there yet? 
Are we there yet? 
Are we there yet?  
Are we there yet?"
Harby: "I swear to god, you say that one more time, I'll turn this fleet around andhead back into dark space!" 

They eventually ran out of plans, so Harby had no choice but to put up with Trallface's whinging. 

God help the galaxy if the Reapers ever assimilated Trollface into their race. 

And I say that being a staunch atheist.

[shepskisaac]

marshalleck wrote...

God help the galaxy if the Reapers ever assimilated Trollface into their race. 

Or Forever Alone

Modifié par IsaacShep, 20 juillet 2011 - 05:30 .

[Iakus]

IsaacShep wrote...

iakus wrote...
Now this doesn't take into account the Reaper the Collectors were building.  I have no clue how that's supposed to fit into anything.

Frankly, the Human-Reaper doesn't seem to have any special purpouse outside of their standard reproduction-procedure. The Collectores began evaluating the genetic material of the galactic races even before the events in ME1. It seems that the Reapers would've began building a new Reaper one way or another and the entire goal of ME2 was just preventing more people from dying (by being captured by the Collectors) while waiting for the Reapers' arrival.

One way or another. yeah.  I just don't see why start now, and risk drawing attention to yourself before the invasion could properly begin.  Which is exactly what ended up happening. 

But that's got nothing to do with how the Reapers return, except for the arguements that the Reaper was to be a new vanguard