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[Savber100]

pablodurando wrote...

I don't quite follow you.  I saw the scene as the galaxy uniting against the threat, but being too late because of the early Reaper entrance.  I saw that scene as the crew and TIM fighting to together to the death, but failing which by the way I think is represented by the last Kelly scene.

This is currently pure speculation in support of my theory. 


Watch the scene when Shepard touches Object Rho for the first time. He sees the Reaper fleet approaching the mass relay before he collapses on the floor breaking contact with Rho. I believe the "end" scene at Arrival is just the completion of the "vision." What Shepard saw when he touched the relay was simply an illusion created by the Reapers to make Shepard believe that the Alpha Relay needs to be destroyed. Ironically, Shepard will be playing right into the Reaper's hands as he blows up an entire star system of which the Reapers assume would discredit Shepard and to start a war between whatever races that were affected by the Alpha relay's destruction. 

So what is the countdown for? I believe it's when Object Rho's indoctrination fully consumes Shepard with visions of destruction (which we saw), and turning him (and anyone who came into contact with Rho) into mindless husks. However, seeing how Shepard managed to destory the entire base before the countdown, the indoctrination was halted, preventing Shepard's mind from being fried. 

Also note this info from the Cerberus Network:

"An excavation team in the Minos Wasteland on the planet Aequitas finds an alien artifact that creates advanced husks. This device does not look like dragon's teeth at all but instead is an orb filled with an unknown energy source that turned the excavation team into Husks with what appears to be a form of indoctrination, according to logs kept by the team, before it started creating more husks."

Now look at Object Rho: 




I believe this proves that Object Rho had the power to turn humans into husks without the need for dragon teeth. 

Yeah.. How's that for mad speculations? 

Modifié par Savber100, 20 juillet 2011 - 08:47 .

[Matchy Pointy]

Well, the way I want to see it myself, the Reapers ARE machines, and do as they are programed, as far as I know,m achines in a general are pretty bad at adapting, especially when a plan has worked for millions of years. That, and they need to bring the Reapers home for there to be a good fight in ME3.

[CroGamer002]

marshalleck wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

I have an explanation for that.

I can read much faster than you can talk. Waiting for you to get to the point is really annoying, how about a written TLDR TLDW version?

1st it is voiced by Squee913, not me

2nd message should be clear, not talk as fast as possible

3rd most people prefer to watch and listen then to read

4th wall of text just turns off people to read

[Blarty]

IsaacShep wrote...

Running out of whatever fuels them?

This is probably the closest you'll get to a credible answer, IMO

The reapers retreat back to Dark Space, hibernating for 50000 years then, after enough time has passed that races have evolved to be space-faring AND spawned sufficient numbers, they wake up and essentially strip and systematically destroy that civilisation over, potentially, many hundreds of years, and then go back to hibernation, remember that they will have to 'feed' or refuel on something and also repopulate the reaper race through gathering many organic lifeforms to create reaper larvae.

Their time to 'wake up', en masse, was at the time Sovereign was supposed to reopen the Citadel relay.

Also they won't be happy that some upstart organic lifeform has thrown a spanner in the works.

[desonnac00]

Lazy writers. Plotholes are awesome... Why? Because Bio really couldn't believe how well ME1 did and so ME2 was a lot of flash, little substance- they just took it easy and... well- they took it easy. Coherent thought is to ME2, what a cheeseburger is to a lactose intolerant Hindu. But hey- it doesn't HAVE TO make sense- it wooks pwetty *puppy-dog eyes*. Just go with it and hope ME3 is less... frakked up, inbred, cross-eyed and begging for a shotgun high five behind the shed.

[Patchwork]

I quite like the Arrival is an hallucination idea. It would be an interesting twist and add to the Reaper's villain credibility.

If Harby hadn't been involved with the Collectors I'd be inclined to think they were just moving on to the next step in whatever project the Reapers left them with. They were evaluating DNA for a long time and once Sovereign made his move they began to take more of their chosen species. It's a project to ensure the future of the Reapers and doesn't have anything to do with the invasion. They were following the plan and nothing, not even Sovereign's defeat, could deviate them from it.

Throw in Harbinger and I don't know why they were bothering. He would know about Sovereign's death and the public denial of Shepard's claims. Kidnapping human colonists draws attention, stirs up interest.

[SAE100]

Maybe the Reapers aren´t as intelligent as we think or even they think. They are machines, so maybe they can just act in simple algorithms or they can´t think creative. Maybe they aren´t intelligent at all and just programmed in a way, that they think that they are intelligent.
It´s obvious, that the Reaper where built with a purpose and that they are not individual enough to question that purpose.

[Nohvarr]

Ryzaki wrote...

ShadowLordXXX wrote...
So if you were the reapers, being exceptionally logical, you wouldnt assume you were exposed, because nobody in PUBLIC believes you exist?

Lets face it, while the Council, STG, Alliance etc may all publicly denounce the concept of "Reapers", but we have no idea if they aren't privately doing something about it(Maelon mentions something about Mordin's work on Reaper indoctrination, although that could be another instance like where people reference Ardat Yakshi like its common knowledge when Samara tells you it's a fairly well kept secret) and further more the Reapers don't know if they're doing something about it, so it makes sense that the Reapers would believe its now time to attack.

You really think the Reapers are incapable of hacking into classified databases? Really? 

Why would the Reapers be able to remotely hack a classified database, they don't know exists, if they can't even remotely hack the Citadel which THEY built?

[Dean_the_Young]

marshalleck wrote...

Dudeman315 wrote...

Why are reapers so impatient?

Because they're poorly written. There are no good answers to the questions you're asking. Also, be prepared for a bunch of people thinking they're clever coming in here to tell you the Reapers attack the Citadel to cut off the head of galactic government, even though that's not an answer to the question you asked.

I'd disagree that there are no good answers possible, only that we don't have a good answer to assume.

Some possibilities could include variations of-

-After a long galactic tech plateau of minimal, the galaxy is about to enter some new technological renaissance. The Reapers can not afford too much further delay or else risk their backup chances. (The catalyst for this growth could be considered Sovereign's destruction and salvage.)

-Other new technological developments were pushing organics into 'unacceptable' territory: increased development of AI, and increased ability to decipher the Reaper tech and unmask the galactic cycles. Technology like the Keeper-scanner, or the research that proved (in CDN) that the Relays weren't made by the Protheans, was tracked and is deemed as too dangerous for the Plan to allow further development.

-Coming to the galaxy the long way could entail significant costs to the Reapers. While costs to their higher goals can only be speculative, costs to their abilities or even numbers remains possible. If, say, the charge-buildup from FTL would normally prevent them from making the trip, and so they have to transfer the charges to fellow Reapers and leave some Reapers in Dark Space in order for others to continue to advance (the water-in-the-desert problem), then coming the long way could greatly decrease their numbers and cause them later troubles that are too be avoided if possible.

[Dean_the_Young]

Nohvarr wrote...


Why would the Reapers be able to remotely hack a classified database, they don't know exists, if they can't even remotely hack the Citadel which THEY built?

Because one's a digital lock and one's an analog.

[Dougremer]

They want to kill everyone and now, not later, NOW!

[Guanxi]

All conjecture but I think of the reapers as farmers. Think Malthusian Economics; remembering that reapers are organic/synthetic hybrids. Consider that organic and synthetic material degrades over time so imagine the cost of maintaining a single reaper in good working order for over 50,000 years. Why fifty thousand years?

Using farming as an analogy If they harvest the crop too early they damage the soil and risk damaging the potential yield for now and for generations to come... but if they harvest the crop too late their organic and synthetic material will be shot and many may be in a vulnerable state or beyond repair.

This is where Malthusian economics comes in: also consider that the yield may be more or less constant (at best) but every cycle reapers continue to grow their population and therefore require more and more resources (organic and synthetic) to maintain and grow the population at the current level of technology but they also seemingly have this inane needed to keep advancing their species technologically until you get to a point where their resource requirements are so out of whack that their species is slowly dying due to their own hubris.

Their economic model is unsustainable because they have advanced beyond their own productive capacity which cannot be expanded without some kind of technological production enhancing marvel which is impossible at the end of the technology tree.

[Arppis]

Dudeman315 wrote...

This just bothered me, but why did soverign try to activate the citidel relay at all?  The timeline for the end ME1 to Arrival show no more than 4 years pass before the Reapers would make it to the Alpha Relay.  I really hope we get an answer to why the super intellegent machine race would even try to access the citidel after it didn't work with the signal to the keepers if it only takes 4 years max to manually fly to the galaxy.  Unless they started flying here earlier and took the Dark space relay with them(why?) it really makes no sense to give up the element of surprise when you could have just waited 4 years. And why tip your tentacle with abducting human colonies, Harbringer, when you know you wouldn't finish reaper baby until after your buddies arrive? 

Why are reapers so impatient?

They are low on energy (or whatever they are using). Why you think they are in stasis at deep-space? They can't wait longer.

[redneckwonderland]

XDMMX wrote...


And how come the reapers don't just wait another 100 years for Shepard to die of old age?

Pure Genius. 

[Stormrider 15]

the reapers have advanced genetic modification techniques... they were trying to get shep's body to clone shepard, then indoctrinate or make a million of him and make a shepard reaper XD

[Victor E Formie]

Scorpion1O1 wrote...

It is possible that since they know Sovereign was destroyed, they must believe that the organic races are aware of the Reapers existence and their plans, not knowing of the internal cover up and disagreements over the Reapers existence. So they must believe that they should attack the galaxy now while the galaxy races are their level of technological, biological and social evolution, rather then later when the galaxy will be better prepared for an invasion.

Agreed.

[Someone With Mass]

desonnac00 wrote...

Lazy writers. Plotholes are awesome... Why? Because Bio really couldn't believe how well ME1 did and so ME2 was a lot of flash, little substance- they just took it easy and... well- they took it easy. Coherent thought is to ME2, what a cheeseburger is to a lactose intolerant Hindu. But hey- it doesn't HAVE TO make sense- it wooks pwetty *puppy-dog eyes*. Just go with it and hope ME3 is less... frakked up, inbred, cross-eyed and begging for a shotgun high five behind the shed.

Yeah, because ME1 was such a masterpiece. Those coincidences that constantly showed up were so well-written and driven.

[Blarty]

... simply it's because no one wants a Mass Effect 3 that's basically 'Shepard's Autobiography Tour'.

'- You have a book signing to attend on: Thessia' wouldn't really work

Modifié par Blarty, 20 juillet 2011 - 01:33 .

[Nozybidaj]

robarcool wrote...

So, you want the reapers to fly out to the galaxy, showing up like idiots and be destroyed by the collective forces of the galaxy? Well, if you remember Vigil's tale, they want Citadel relay access to mount a surprise attack on the leadership of the galaxy and gain all the info about the current organic races from the Citadel. Then they systematically eliminate the races.

Bolded part important.  That's exactly the question he's asking.  Why risk tipping your hand?  This has never really been explained.  If they can just as easily fly here in such a short time span why bother with Saren or anything from ME1 to begin with?  They could have just flown in to whatever relay they were going to in the DLC and started their attacks from there and no one would have had any idea what was going on.

The ease with which they just fly on in makes everything they have done in prior games seemly monumentally stupid.

[Annarl]

Blarty wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Running out of whatever fuels them?

This is probably the closest you'll get to a credible answer, IMO

The reapers retreat back to Dark Space, hibernating for 50000 years then, after enough time has passed that races have evolved to be space-faring AND spawned sufficient numbers, they wake up and essentially strip and systematically destroy that civilisation over, potentially, many hundreds of years, and then go back to hibernation, remember that they will have to 'feed' or refuel on something and also repopulate the reaper race through gathering many organic lifeforms to create reaper larvae.

Their time to 'wake up', en masse, was at the time Sovereign was supposed to reopen the Citadel relay.

Also they won't be happy that some upstart organic lifeform has thrown a spanner in the works.

I think this will be at least part of the Reapers' motivations.  As for Shepard he is the only organic life form to defeat one of them...I think they have a crush .  Seriously I think they want to re-create(control) him/her or make him/her a vanguard.

Modifié par omearaee, 20 juillet 2011 - 02:33 .

[sp0ck 06]

Sovereign was already way late on the 50k mark. I think it's been a lot more than 4 years since the Reapers were supposed to hit. The wiki says Sovvy awoke to asses the progress of organic life periodically. Legion says it was searching for allies for over 1000 years. So, presumably, at some point Sovereign awoke, tried to activate the Citadel, then spent hundreds if not thousands of years figuring out why it wasn't working and deciding what to do. So it would seem the Reapers are already at least a thousand years behind schedule, which might explain their growing impatience.

[Veex]

Ah BSN, love you guys. I imagine, from a narrative perspective, many of your solutions would make the Reapers a more formidable, near-indestructable enemy. Maybe BioWare will develop a spinoff where you get to play the Reaper fleet, you fly through darkspace for 40 hours, and then descend on an unsuspecting galaxy for a few minutes of unchallenged carnage.

Now THAT sounds like an amazing story.

[GuiltySource]

The thing I never understood, is why the Reapers didn't make the Citadel function like a normal Relay. Why not build it so they could activate it from their end? Instead of needing the Keepers to activate it from inside the Galaxy.

[tobynator89]

I think they are in a hurry because they've lost many of the the major strategic advantages they've had every other time they've done this such as relay control, attack position, leadership neutralization, etc.

Like harbinger said, the setbacks have become an annoyance and its better to simply get this over with as soon as possible before shep convinces the galaxy that they exist and make the whole ordeal even harder.