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[Mister Mida]

Mesina2 wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...
Best explanation? It's pretty much the only explanation that makes sense. But it's still based on assumptions or that anyone else has come up with it.

I'll take that as you like that.

It was meh. Nothing that hasn't been discussed here already.

[Rahmiel]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Its implied the Reapers have been travelling towards the galaxy for almost 2000 years, not 4. This makes their actions perfectly logical. Now, I admit that my theory relies on speculation and a little imagination, but as far as I'm aware there isn't anything that actually contradicts it so it works for me:

Their original plan hinges on the Keepers responding to Sovereign's signal. They didn't. At this point, I imagine the Reapers in dark space begin to emerge from hibernation, discover something is wrong, and start to move towards the galaxy.

Sovereign then tries to use the Rachni to create a galactic war. Presumably it thinks that the ensuing chaos will give it a chance to reach the Citadel, as its fleets may be elsewhere, but this is thwarted by the discovery and subsequent uplifting of the Krogan.

Sovereign still wants to activate the Citadel Relay, this time using Saren and the Geth to help. Relays create a corridor of low mass space, and there is no reason why you can't enter that corridor from any point along it, not just from the end points. The only reason you never have this situation in ME is that in order to join a low-mass corridor from, say, the mid-point you'd need to be deep in space, and it could take thousands of years to get that deep in space. All colonised planets are clustered around the Relays, so they are the only points at which organics can enter the low-mass corridors. There is no reason that the Reapers couldn't enter the corridor between the Citadel Relay and the Dark Space Relay at any point along it after it has been activated, as they can travel for thousands of years. So while the Reapers are travelling towards the galaxy they still need Sovereign to activate the Relay so they can cut their journey time to nothing, and conserve fuel.

After Sovereign is lost, the Reapers have no choice but to continue their journey towards the galaxy without the aid of Relays. Batarian space just happens to be the closest point of the galaxy to where the Reapers are, so it makes sense that there'd be some kind of back door here. In this case, the Alpha Relay. The codex says that when fully active it can link to the Citadel itself, so the Reapers can still salvage their original plan. Shepard foils this again, so they have no choice but to move through the galaxy without the aid of Relays, hence the several months between Arrival and the Reapers finally reaching colonised space.



How the Collectors fit into this takes even more speculation on my part, and tbh I can't really back my thoughts up on this but here goes anyway:

With the Reapers' original plan of cutting off the Citadel and shutting down the Relays, they can harvest species at their leisure. With that plan seeming unlikely after Sovereign's defeat, even though they may be able to reach the Citadel by the Alpha Relay, the element of surprise is lost. Galaxy-wide conflict is the most likely outcome, rather than controlled conflict of the original plan where the Reapers can fight one system at a time. Due to this, there is a worry that any species worthy of 'ascension' will be weakened or possibly destroyed outright. Therefore, they need the Collectors to, um, collect as many humans as they can before the Reapers arrive and galactic war damages humanity too much. This way, if it turns out a human Reaper is possible it can be built in the core, safe from the conflict. This is thwarted by Shepard and so the chance of building a human Reaper relies on taking Earth as early in the conflict as possible.



tl;dr - it makes much more sense to imagine the Reapers have been travelling towards the galaxy for 2000 years, not 4. There is nothing to contradict this yet, and it is perfectly plausible.

This to me, makes the most sense and pretty much what I've been thinking.  The only points of contention I have, is the rachni wars (not sure if Sovereign is behind that or not) and this on-going idea that reapers need fuel or to conserve fuel.  It could be possible, but there has been nothing yet that mentions reapers either need to reap to be powered, or to grab eezo.

I'm hoping ME3 helps to clear some of this up, but even if it doesn't these could be the purpose of another series, or discussed in other games in the franchise.  For now, the purpose remains to stop the reapers.  Which I have no doubt, Shepard will do.

[Dougremer]

Word!

[Candidate 88766]

Memmahkth wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...
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This to me, makes the most sense and pretty much what I've been thinking.  The only points of contention I have, is the rachni wars (not sure if Sovereign is behind that or not) and this on-going idea that reapers need fuel or to conserve fuel.  It could be possible, but there has been nothing yet that mentions reapers either need to reap to be powered, or to grab eezo.

I'm hoping ME3 helps to clear some of this up, but even if it doesn't these could be the purpose of another series, or discussed in other games in the franchise.  For now, the purpose remains to stop the reapers.  Which I have no doubt, Shepard will do.

I only say the Rachni wars may have been orchestrated by Sovereign because of the Asari in ME2 who implies the Rachni weren't acting of their own accord, which makes it seem like they are indoctrinated. To what end is anyone's guess, I assumed it was to create a distraction of sorts so that Sovereign would have a chance to reach the Citadel but I can't really back that up. As for fuel, there must be a reason for their hibernation. Vigil says they hibernate (and Vigil is really just holographic exposition) in Dark Space. Also, we see that Reapers have eezo cores in ME2 and even one as large as those would eventually run out. Although having said that the Derelict Reaper had an active core after millions of years, although that could be because there wasn't much left to draw on the core's fuel supply. Again, I can't really back it up.

And yeah, I hope in ME3 we will find out a lot of this. The main thing I want to know is why the Reapers do what they do, and what the real purpose of the cycle is. 

[didymos1120]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Also, we see that Reapers have eezo cores in ME2 and even one as large as those would eventually run out.

Um, that's not how an ME core works.  It doesn't get used up. It's not fuel.  It simply generates an ME field when electrical current is passed through it.    The only waste product is heat, not "depleted eezo" or whatever.  All ships require some other kind of reactor (fusion, fission, whatever) to generate that current.

Modifié par didymos1120, 21 juillet 2011 - 01:04 .

[Someone With Mass]

didymos1120 wrote...

Um, that's not how an ME core works.  It doesn't get used up. It's not fuel.  It simply generates an ME field when electrical current is passed through it.    The only waste product is heat, not "depleted eezo" or whatever.  All ships require some other kind of reactor (fusion, fission, whatever) to generate that current.

They do need to discharge the cores at some time, though.

[didymos1120]

Someone With Mass wrote...

They do need to discharge the cores at some time, though.

Yeah, but I doubt that's what was meant by "run out".

[Rahmiel]

Candidate 88766 wrote...
I only say the Rachni wars may have been orchestrated by Sovereign because of the Asari in ME2 who implies the Rachni weren't acting of their own accord, which makes it seem like they are indoctrinated. To what end is anyone's guess, I assumed it was to create a distraction of sorts so that Sovereign would have a chance to reach the Citadel but I can't really back that up. As for fuel, there must be a reason for their hibernation. Vigil says they hibernate (and Vigil is really just holographic exposition) in Dark Space. Also, we see that Reapers have eezo cores in ME2 and even one as large as those would eventually run out. Although having said that the Derelict Reaper had an active core after millions of years, although that could be because there wasn't much left to draw on the core's fuel supply. Again, I can't really back it up.

And yeah, I hope in ME3 we will find out a lot of this. The main thing I want to know is why the Reapers do what they do, and what the real purpose of the cycle is. 

Right, your assumption makes sense, it's just something I, personally, am willing to jump on board with.  I do agree that it's most likely reaper interference that soured the song of the rachni, but was it as diliberate as Sovereign interacting with the rachni or not, I do not know.  Remember, we did find a buried indoctrination device in an N7 mission in ME2.  It could be the rachni came across one on their own.

I used to believe what you did, until I read the first book.  Now, nothing in the book dismisses your assumption (which is also why I'm not saying you're wrong).  I don't know how the reapers operate, but what I do know, is that a team of scientists found Sovereign in orbit around a planet near Geth space.  Sovereign may have been in hibernation mode, or may have been disabled from a previous war (much like the reaper in the brown dwarf).  Still many many questions, but like I said, I agree with your interpretation of events while having a few differences or skepticism from yours.

Again, everything I could be thinking could be wrong as well, but this is why I'm trying to avoid building up a big picture with so little information.  I just don't want BW to come out and say, "no, this happened" and then be all, "THIS IS TOTAL BS!!!one1eleven!"  To me, the events you have typed out is how I think of the events unfolding, and that is how I'm able to suspend my disbelief.  It's logical, in character, and not "a wizard did it".

[Dougremer]

I think it's a bit charming with all this questions. You don't understand it all but you know one thing: They're coming and they will reap us! Answers might come, but for now we have to defend ourselves.

/D

[Thrombin]

didymos1120 wrote...

Thrombin wrote...

@raxxman don't worry I'm not your boss lol

Thrombin's just the name of an old D&D dwarf character of mine

You named a dwarf after a clotting enzyme?

I thought it sounded quite dwarf-like. I didn't connect it with the clotting enzyme until someone pointed it out years later  

[Bad King]

If the conduit plan had worked, they could have seized control of the Citadel and uncovered all the records of what planets were inhabited. They would then have an efficient plan in place to wipe out the council races and move from planet to planet committing genocide. Because it failed, they now have to wipe out the galaxy the hard way.

Modifié par Bad King, 21 juillet 2011 - 11:00 .