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[Auroras]

 Hey guys, I'm not trying to troll, I honestly would like to know: why do people hate Hawke so much? S/he's not that bad of a character. I actually enjoyed playing as her. 

Could I get some non-flamey, non-troll-y opinions, please?

[Ryzaki]

Because people have preferences that differ from yours.

[VampireSoap]

After being harassed by the BI's over and over again, Hawke still managed to become the champion of Kirkwall, I admired him for that.

[phoenixgoddess27]

Ryzaki wrote...

Because people have preferences that differ from yours.

Pretty much this. It's simply a difference in opinion.

And if you don't want non-flamey responses, you probably shouldn't have made this thread. It's bound to happen.
The people who despise Hawke will answer, which you obviously want. However, some person who loves Hawke will come in and say something(probably along the lines of "We have no reason to dislike Hawke" or some flamebait.) and then people will clash.

That's why threads like this are usually closed.

But to answer your question, I see Hawke as a tool that just stands there and does nothing but say something snarky(Had a sarcastic F!Hawke) and... well, no matter which personality you choose, they'll continue standing there doing nothing, despite being "The Champion". With the very popular exception of killing things. That's about as active as I saw Hawke. Kill first, questions later. Except... they're dead so you can't really ask questions. So there was more killing than Hawke using intelligence for situations. This is my opinion, though.

Modifié par phoenixgoddess27, 20 juillet 2011 - 04:12 .

[TEWR]

Auroras wrote...

 Hey guys, I'm not trying to troll, I honestly would like to know: why do people hate Hawke so much? S/he's not that bad of a character. I actually enjoyed playing as her. 

Could I get some non-flamey, non-troll-y opinions, please?

Because his story was meant to be one of being a proactive person with occasional reactiveness. Someone who rises from refugee to Champion, builds connections, amasses wealth, uses his brains as well as his brawn, etc. .

Instead, he is a reactive protagonist with the occasional instance of being proactive. Which is largely the same as the Warden. That's his greatest fault. With the Warden, the illusion of choice was done well enough to make him likable. Then there's also the fact that the Warden is supposed to react to the Darkspawn. Sometimes the Warden would make proactive decisions, but not many to actually call him a proactive person.

DA2's story (which is Hawke's story in regards to the Mage-Templar conflict) was meant to be one of being proactive. But due to Hawke's character and the very loosely tied together Acts, people don't like Hawke as much as they could've

[BanksHector]

I dislike Hawke because one of my companions is more important to the story then I am.

[frustratemyself]

The way the story played out I think a lot of people saw Hawke as a non-character enabler that didn't really do anything but react after the fact. It's not what I thought but to each their own.

[Hadea]

Some people like Hawke, some people don't. And then there are some people on both sides that make me feel like I'm bearing witness to a drunken brawl

[addiction21]

phoenixgoddess27 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Because people have preferences that differ from yours.

Pretty much this. It's simply a difference in opinion.

And if you don't want non-flamey responses, you probably shouldn't have made this thread. It's bound to happen.
The people who despise Hawke will answer, which you obviously want. However, some person who loves Hawke will come in and say something(probably along the lines of "We have no reason to dislike Hawke" or some flamebait.) and then people will clash.

Well you pretty much spend this entire paragraph calling the OP a troll.

phoenixgoddess27 wrote...

That's why threads like this are usually closed.

No you and others respones like this are why they get closed. Because you love to preach about how you "respect others opinions" but cannot help but insult them and point out how their opinions are wrong.

phoenixgoddess27 wrote...

But to answer your question, I see Hawke as a tool that just stands there and does nothing but say something snarky(Had a sarcastic F!Hawke) and... well, no matter which personality you choose, they'll continue standing there doing nothing, despite being "The Champion". This is my opinion, though.

This is the time someone gets to say your opinion is flat out wrong. Hawke does not just "stand around and do nothing" that is the furthest from the truth you could be. Unless your soley talking about the dialogue sequence which are exactly like the wardens from DAO. You know? Where he just stads there and talks... and then is sent on a FEDX quest... just like Hawke.

OH NOES!!!! You choose the snarky responses and your character responds to those choices and acts in the manner you dictated? Dear god whatever should we do....  at you.

FYI this is far from the first post I have read from yours. I am under the impression that if you even played the game you had your head burried in the sand the entire time.

[KotorEffect3]

Because Hawke is not the Warden. I like Hawke just fine but at the end of the day that is why the haters hate him it boils down to nostalgia. Yes DAO is a superior game but to hate Hawke is just silly.

[devSin]

Auroras wrote...

Hey guys, I'm not trying to troll, I honestly would like to know: why do people hate Hawke so much? S/he's not that bad of a character. I actually enjoyed playing as her.

Does it matter? If you're a person who doesn't like Hawke... it doesn't affect my opinion, to tell the truth. I don't particularly care that you don't like him (or her), and I'm not especially interested in why you feel that way. So you should feel free to like Hawke and just let others feel the way they do.

Personally, I thought Hawke was swell. I greatly preferred him to The Accidental Warden, in fact.

And Nick dominated the role IMO. Sadly, he's forever ruined as a voice actor to me, but I guess it's all give and take in life.

Modifié par devSin, 20 juillet 2011 - 04:29 .

[Morroian]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

DA2's story (which is Hawke's story in regards to the Mage-Templar conflict) was meant to be one of being proactive. But due to Hawke's character and the very loosely tied together Acts, people don't like Hawke as much as they could've

IMHO it was never meant to be pro-active but it was marketed incorrectly that way.

[xkg]

Jeeeeezz Dude.

First you say :

addiction21 wrote...
No you and others respones like this are why they get closed. Because you love to preach about how you "respect others opinions" but cannot help but insult them and point out how their opinions are wrong.

Then you say this :

addiction21 wrote...
This is the time someone gets to say your opinion is flat out wrong.
...
I am under the impression that if you even played the game you had your head burried in the sand the entire time

Now, read this slowly again and see what fool you made of yourself.

Modifié par xkg, 20 juillet 2011 - 04:33 .

[Sutekh]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Because Hawke is not the Warden. I like Hawke just fine but at the end of the day that is why the haters hate him it boils down to nostalgia. Yes DAO is a superior game but to hate Hawke is just silly.

I don't hate Hawke at all (I like my Hawkes a lot), but I think this is quite unfair. People seem to have many reasons to dislike Hawke, the main one being his lack of proactivity, which isn't his fault, really, more like the story's. This has nothing to do with nostalgia, but maybe more with disappointment, since he was "sold" as the Champion who would change the face of Kirkwall, which he does in Act II, only to fail in Act III.

Hawke fails. That's what most people don't like about him (or her). I think.

(And, admittedly, some just hate everything DA2 on general principle. Hawke is just one of many things).

phoenixgoddess27 wrote...
However, some person who loves Hawke will come in and say something(probably along the lines of "We have no reason to dislike Hawke" or some flamebait.) and then people will clash.

Because this, of course, isn't a flamebait at all. <_< What you said is basically, "It's a matter of opinion, but different opinions than mine are flamebaits."

[addiction21]

xkg wrote...


Now, read this slowly again and see what fool you made of yourself.

So Hawke stands around the entire game and does nothing? Yes or no?

[Harid]

Hawke gets the blame for the failures of Dragon Age 2 by proxy. Honestly I'd drop the guy going forward if I was Bioware, but they can't as they made him the most important person in the "Dragon Age" preemptively, and have to show why exactly that is before they can move on to another guy.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

i think people dislike hawke because he is the face of dragon age 2 and alot of people dislike dragonage 2

[Edhriano]

I do not dislikes Hawke,

What I do dislikes are
1. Recycled copy paste maps
2. Armor restriction 'Hawke'
3. Enemies spawn from thin air
4. No matter which side you choose you will kill everyone mwa haha - ending

[addiction21]

Harid wrote...

Hawke gets the blame for the failures of Dragon Age 2 by proxy. Honestly I'd drop the guy going forward if I was Bioware, but they can't as they made him the most important person in the "Dragon Age" preemptively, and have to show why exactly that is before they can move on to another guy.

FIrst sentence I agree with.

I think they will do a half assed juob like they did with our Wardens to finish out his story then move on. If that sincerity that the Dragonage franchise is about the world and not the individual we get in each game.

But then again we get the beefy part of Hawkes story. From nobody to someone the average person would recognize his name and take his actions into account.

[xkg]

addiction21 wrote...

xkg wrote...


Now, read this slowly again and see what fool you made of yourself.

So Hawke stands around the entire game and does nothing? Yes or no?

I dont care about Hawke really. That wasn't my point.

You said that pointing out how others opinions are wrong can be the reason why threads are getting closed.

Few lines later you do what ?
You POINT OUT HOW HIS/HER OPINION IS WRONG.

And for your info - opinions can't be wrong.

[addiction21]

xkg wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

xkg wrote...


Now, read this slowly again and see what fool you made of yourself.

So Hawke stands around the entire game and does nothing? Yes or no?

I dont care about Hawke really. That wasn't my point.

You said that pointing out how others opinions are wrong can be the reason why threads are getting closed.

Few lines later you do what ?
You POINT OUT HOW HIS/HER OPINION IS WRONG.

And for your info - opinions can't be wrong.

If your opnions is that the earth is flat then yes it can be proven wrong. Just like stating someone does nothing but "stand around and do nothing" when that is a flat out lie, but trying to qualify that as a truth because "it was an opnion" is false.  So yes there are times when you can say someones opinion is untrue. When it is blatently false.
If the poster I qouted said "I did not like Hawke because I felt his actions did no effect any change" then that would be okay, but stating that he did nothing when that is a verifiable fact is BS.

So again. Does Hawke stand and do nothing for the entire game or does he/she go do things... other then standing around
Easy enough yes or no?


P.S.
I posted long before the orginal post got edited for the "herp derp kill stuff and go here lines" Which is nothing more then the warden did.

Modifié par addiction21, 20 juillet 2011 - 05:04 .

[lobi]

There was no scope to modify sorry, personalise Hawk enough.  With DA2 the freedom we had to make the PC our own in Origins was taken out of our hands to a large extent. 
Instead of 'ruthless bordering on evil Hawk' we got "occaisonal jerk Hawk" even though Hawk is acting without any official sanction and is therefore a murderer who just slaughters without negotiation or warning. 
The writers asked me to believe that this theiving murderer was worthy of my understanding, they were fools.
The clumsy attempt to validate Hawks killing spree, by making Hawk a key player in Qunari negotiations just failed big time in the credability dept.
Even the death of Hawks ***8*** which should have happened at the hands of the Familys of his victims was relegated to some random psycho because heaven forbid there should be real consequences beyond circumstance.
Being a warden was great plot armour, being Hawk was unbelievable *and boring.

Modifié par lobi, 20 juillet 2011 - 05:29 .

[xkg]

addiction21 wrote...

If your opnions is that the earth is flat then yes it can be proven wrong. Just like stating someone does nothing but "stand around and do nothing" when that is a flat out lie, but trying to qualify that as a truth because "it was an opnion" is false.

So again. Does Hawke stand and do nothing for the entire game or does he/she go do things... other then standing around
Easy enough yes or no?


P.S.
I posted long before the orginal post got edited for the "herp derp kill stuff and go here lines" Which is nothing more then the warden did.

Ah ok. You want to discuss about the semantics here ok then.

Opinion can't be wrong. Facts that you base your opinions on can be wrong.
If you can prove that something is true or not then this is "Fact" not opinion.

Let me quote you something

A statement of fact expresses only what actually happened, or what could be proven by objective data.

A statement of opinion expresses an attitude toward something – it makes a judgment, view, or conclusion, or gives an opinion that cannot be proven true or false.

I can give you this link go there, and try this test - I am sure you will fail it miserably.
http://www.worsleysc...actopinion.html

[Auroras]

Wow. I love how people can suddenly hear my thoughts... yes, of course, I want people to flame. -.-

And I realize that people have opinions that differ from mine... that's why I made this thread in the first place. So that I could better understand why many people dislike Hawke.

[addiction21]

xkg wrote...
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Hawk does nothing but stand around and do nothing. Yes or no?