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[Morroian]

Frusciante31 wrote...

I guess, to me - and maybe I'm just not a RPG Purist (even though I damn sure like these games!) - there really are no meaningful choices in any games.  The trick is the suspension of disbelief in the illusion of those choices.

Really the only meaningful choice in DAO is the dark ritual or not. The rest is illusion.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Morroian wrote...

Frusciante31 wrote...

I guess, to me - and maybe I'm just not a RPG Purist (even though I damn sure like these games!) - there really are no meaningful choices in any games.  The trick is the suspension of disbelief in the illusion of those choices.

Really the only meaningful choice in DAO is the dark ritual or not. The rest is illusion.

Honestly, I don't think that choice is going to matter. Like ever.
At best, what we can hope for is an epilogue slide.

Unless they canonize it, in which case, it's no longer a choice really.

[jlb524]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I think it's safe to assume that he at least knows that one who governs has more responsability and pressures than one who does not (at least I hope).

Haahaa, maybe.   I don't know enough about qunari political structure to answer that.  From my perspective, all qunari (regardless of 'role') have a ton of responsibilites and pressures that go along with that role.  They would all feel equally pressured to fulfill their 'role' no matter what it was (Arishok vs. warrior).  My impression is that each role is equally important.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

You bring up an interesting point. Maybe it's just me, but on a lot of occasions, I felt the Arishok was making up what the Qun demands from his ass. This is evident when you have some Qunari freaking out at you being a mage or even hearing a Sarebaas speak, but then the Arishok thinks that the Qun doesn't demand he put you down like all mages. Becaues the Qun (plot) demands it.

I kinda felt he was pulling it out of his ass too.  I'm not sure if that's valid though.  But their Qun may only apply to their own mages.  They never tried to impose their beliefs on other segments of society (even non-mages)...I'm not sure why it would be different with a mage Hawke. 

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
I think some variation with the same mess could have been done. For instance, if Hawke tried to side with the Qunari, maybe they can send him a gift in Act 3 (or maybe ask his help on some quest). Maybe he would be seen as a compromiser like the Viscount, which could alienate some and attract others.
If he sides with Petrice, he might attract more radical members of the Chantry and nobles who want a stronger leader...etc.

Consequences shown and felt that do not need to change the overall plot.

Of course I would have preferred if the qunari were not there in the first place.

I agree that this should have happened.  There should be consequences in Act 3, even if it's a letter.  But from what I know, that doesn't matter...except Petrice is alive in Act 3 if you side with her....which might mean something later on...I would hope.

Modifié par jlb524, 04 août 2011 - 06:34 .

[lady constance]

jlb524 wrote...

That is luck...but is anything that happened afterwards luck? Also, Varric helped Hawke b/c of the things she/he did in the past year....it wasn't complete luck.

Not completely, no. But without Hawke conviently having an Uncle with connections, he/she would have never been able to impress anyone in Kirkwall, let alone Varric. These are the two events that thrust Hawke into limelight. Without them, Hawke would not have risen to power. Hawke is lucky still to find a Warden resides in Kirkwall - one with maps, which helps convince Bartrand to let them join.

For everything else, I'd say Hakwe just happens to land in the middle of it, which isn't necessarily a bad thing depending on how you look at it. But I prefer to play a protagonist who sets out to do things, rather than one who gets stuck doing things.

Modifié par lady constance, 04 août 2011 - 06:33 .

[lady constance]

Sharn01 wrote...

The darkspawn chronicles cant be taken seriously, the Devs have come on the forums and actually stated that its not a true what if universe, they changed characters skills and personalities completely for the purpose of the DLC.

That being said, even if someone could do what the warden did, which already happened since 24 possible race/class/background combinations exsist, doesnt change the fact that someone had to do what the warden did.  Nobody had to do anything that Hawke did, and the main storyline still plays out the same. 

Exactly

[Thor Rand Al]

lady constance wrote...

I don't like Dragon Age 2, but I plan on planning Dragon age 3...unless Hawke is the protagonist. I don't understand why people bother coming to BSN if you don't want to see some of the complaints people have on DA2. Do you expect to come here and see everyone praising it? How dull would that be? I may not like it, but I have no issues conversing with those that do.

Um because it's 4 months worth of this.  Do you know how fubared it is to go into a thread and say you like this or that n get slammed because all the haters have to come into the thread n ****** n moan about what you just said.  Excuse me for paying a compliment even if it is a small one, back off already.  Not every single thread has to be filled with hate and discontent.  Some of us would like to read what the devs have to say without seeing all the discontent that goes with it, just like you guys want to see a DA to go bk to Origins style, or they want their Wardens back;  well there are some that don't want to go back to that but if we speak our minds and say we like the new DA2 style, were called all sorts of names and basically told where crazy.  Now how fubared is that.  And some have even left BSN because of it.  So ya 4 months worth is OLD.

[jlb524]

lady constance wrote...

Not completely, no. But without Hawke conviently having an Uncle with connections, he/she would have never been able to impress anyone in Kirkwall, let alone Varric. These are the two events that thrust Hawke into limelight. Without them, Hawke would not have risen to power. Hawke is lucky still to find a Warden resides in Kirkwall - one with maps, which helps convince Bartrand to let them join.

But Hawke still had to live up to her/his uncle's expectations.  Hawke's actions impressed Varric but Hawke could have failed and Varric wouldn't have given a crap. 

lady constance wrote...
For everything else, I'd say Hakwe just happens to land in the middle of
it, which isn't necessarily a bad thing depending on how you look at
it. But I prefer to play a protagonist who sets out to do things, rather
than one who gets stuck doing things.

Hawke did set out to do something though (earn $$ for the Deep Roads so the family could get out of poverty).  That was her/his initiative. 

[Ryzaki]

...Yeah Hawke back for DA3 would kill my interest. Hawke's not awesome enough to me to be able to carry a series a games like Shepard can. Too little too late. If the Devs are gonna play the "it's about the world not a character." excuse to dump the Warden the same should apply for Hawke.

[jlb524]

Rojahar wrote...

I hate Hawke because she's an evil blood mage who finds any excuse to kill innocents and sew chaos. What a b*tch.

My Hawke is a good blood mage...your argument is invalid.

Ryzaki wrote...

...Yeah Hawke back for DA3 would kill my
interest. Hawke's not awesome enough to me to be able to carry a series a
games like Shepard can. Too little too late. If the Devs are gonna play
the "it's about the world not a character." excuse to dump the Warden
the same should apply for Hawke.

I don't want them to bring back either Hawke or the Warden as a protagonist.  The thing I'm liking about the DA series is that they have a new protagonist every game.  A new 'perspective' so to speak...I wish that ME2 had a different protagonist from Shepard b/c they just screwed it up (IMO).

Modifié par jlb524, 04 août 2011 - 06:45 .

[Aeowyn]

jlb524 wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

I hate Hawke because she's an evil blood mage who finds any excuse to kill innocents and sew chaos. What a b*tch.

My Hawke is a good blood mage...your argument is invalid.

If you don't look out, Wynne will try to backstab you and hand you over to Knight Commander Greagoir

[Ryzaki]

Aeowyn wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

I hate Hawke because she's an evil blood mage who finds any excuse to kill innocents and sew chaos. What a b*tch.

My Hawke is a good blood mage...your argument is invalid.

If you don't look out, Wynne will try to backstab you and hand you over to Knight Commander Greagoir

I'm still pissed they took that out. 

That would've been epic. 

[KnightofPhoenix]

jlb524 wrote...
Haahaa, maybe.   I don't know enough about qunari political structure to answer that.  From my perspective, all qunari (regardless of 'role') have a ton of responsibilites and pressures that go along with that role.  They would all feel equally pressured to fulfill their 'role' no matter what it was (Arishok vs. warrior).  My impression is that each role is equally important.

Sure, but if they tell me that an Arishok has the same level of responsability as a Sten, then I may have to revise my interest in the Qunari.

Though seeing how the Arishok is a moron in terms of tactics, I would not be surprised.

I kinda felt he was pulling it out of his ass too.  I'm not sure if that's valid though.  But their Qun may only apply to their own mages.  They never tried to impose their beliefs on other segments of society (even non-mages)...I'm not sure why it would be different with a mage Hawke. 

The qunari want to impose their beliefs on everyone. Why would the other qunari freak out at the mere sight of a "ma sarebaas"? Maybe it's part of his job to be freaked out? So he gets to determine what the Qun demands too?

Also, we see a Qunari death squad pursuing a mage in the Gallows (an idiotic sidequest btw). Why?

Qunari think that mages are dangerous, hence why they do to them what they do. A human mage is no less dangerous because he is not a Qunari, when they happen to live in the same city. But frankly, the entire thing with a mage Hawke makes little sense to me. 

I agree that this should have happened.  There should be consequences in Act 3, even if it's a letter.  But from what I know, that doesn't matter...except Petrice is alive in Act 3 if you side with her....which might mean something later on...I would hope.

I would not hope for anything personally, beyond a meaningless cameo.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 04 août 2011 - 06:50 .

[Aeowyn]

Ryzaki wrote...

...Yeah Hawke back for DA3 would kill my interest. Hawke's not awesome enough to me to be able to carry a series a games like Shepard can. Too little too late. If the Devs are gonna play the "it's about the world not a character." excuse to dump the Warden the same should apply for Hawke.

It wouldn't kill my interest, but I don't expect either Hawke or the Warden to come back considering they've both disappeared.
I'd prefer a conclusion and answers to some of the questions we've gotten over the last 2 games but a new protagonist, than having an old protagonist come back and have more questions come with her/him.

[jlb524]

Aeowyn wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

I hate Hawke because she's an evil blood mage who finds any excuse to kill innocents and sew chaos. What a b*tch.

My Hawke is a good blood mage...your argument is invalid.

If you don't look out, Wynne will try to backstab you and hand you over to Knight Commander Greagoir

I don't fear Wynne!  My Warden used blood magic in front of her and she didn't do a thing about that XD

[Ryzaki]

Aeowyn wrote...
It wouldn't kill my interest, but I don't expect either Hawke or the Warden to come back considering they've both disappeared. 
I'd prefer a conclusion and answers to some of the questions we've gotten over the last 2 games but a new protagonist, than having an old protagonist come back and have more questions come with her/him.

I really hope my "epic broodmother." thoughts aren't true.  

Yes something to tie it all together would be nice. 

[Aeowyn]

Ryzaki wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

I hate Hawke because she's an evil blood mage who finds any excuse to kill innocents and sew chaos. What a b*tch.

My Hawke is a good blood mage...your argument is invalid.

If you don't look out, Wynne will try to backstab you and hand you over to Knight Commander Greagoir

I'm still pissed they took that out. 

That would've been epic. 

I used a mod for that. It was awesome!

[Aeowyn]

Ryzaki wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...
It wouldn't kill my interest, but I don't expect either Hawke or the Warden to come back considering they've both disappeared. 
I'd prefer a conclusion and answers to some of the questions we've gotten over the last 2 games but a new protagonist, than having an old protagonist come back and have more questions come with her/him.

I really hope my "epic broodmother." thoughts aren't true.  

Yes something to tie it all together would be nice. 

LOL Ryz. Do I want to know?

[lady constance]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

lady constance wrote...

I don't like Dragon Age 2, but I plan on planning Dragon age 3...unless Hawke is the protagonist. I don't understand why people bother coming to BSN if you don't want to see some of the complaints people have on DA2. Do you expect to come here and see everyone praising it? How dull would that be? I may not like it, but I have no issues conversing with those that do.

Um because it's 4 months worth of this.  Do you know how fubared it is to go into a thread and say you like this or that n get slammed because all the haters have to come into the thread n ****** n moan about what you just said.  Excuse me for paying a compliment even if it is a small one, back off already.  Not every single thread has to be filled with hate and discontent.  Some of us would like to read what the devs have to say without seeing all the discontent that goes with it, just like you guys want to see a DA to go bk to Origins style, or they want their Wardens back;  well there are some that don't want to go back to that but if we speak our minds and say we like the new DA2 style, were called all sorts of names and basically told where crazy.  Now how fubared is that.  And some have even left BSN because of it.  So ya 4 months worth is OLD.

The OP is asking why people hate Hawke... obviously, people are going to get negative here. If you're too much of an idiot to realize that, or if you can't handle people having different opinions, get the hell of the internet. And for the record, I never ONCE called someone a name for liking Dragon Age 2 - not everyone here is like that. If you want to see "WE LOVE DRAGON AGE 2" comments only, rather than discussing the pros and cons of the game, then go make a fan club. This is a place for discussion.

[edit] Do you know how often I get called names or told I'm not a "true fan", because I'm NOT in love with Dragon Age 2? It goes both ways.

Modifié par lady constance, 04 août 2011 - 06:52 .

[Ryzaki]

Aeowyn wrote...

LOL Ryz. Do I want to know?

No. You really really don't.  

Aeowyn wrote...
I used a mod for that. It was awesome!

I'd use it...but doesn't it break the endgame? 

[KnightofPhoenix]

lady constance wrote...
[edit] Do you know how often I get called names or told I'm not a "true fan", because I'm NOT in love with Dragon Age 2? It goes both ways.

Yes, and telling her she is an idiot is not helping.

[lady constance]

jlb524 wrote...

[I don't want them to bring back either Hawke or the Warden as a protagonist.  The thing I'm liking about the DA series is that they have a new protagonist every game.  A new 'perspective' so to speak...I wish that ME2 had a different protagonist from Shepard b/c they just screwed it up (IMO).

BLASPHEMY  Haha. As for the Hawke - Luck thing, because I'm too lazy to go back and quote your response, I agree. I never said Hawke relied ONLY on luck - I acknowledge that. But without it, I don't think Hawke could have accomplished anything.

[Persephone]

jlb524 wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

I hate Hawke because she's an evil blood mage who finds any excuse to kill innocents and sew chaos. What a b*tch.

My Hawke is a good blood mage...your argument is invalid.

Ryzaki wrote...

...Yeah Hawke back for DA3 would kill my
interest. Hawke's not awesome enough to me to be able to carry a series a
games like Shepard can. Too little too late. If the Devs are gonna play
the "it's about the world not a character." excuse to dump the Warden
the same should apply for Hawke.

I don't want them to bring back either Hawke or the Warden as a protagonist.  The thing I'm liking about the DA series is that they have a new protagonist every game.  A new 'perspective' so to speak...I wish that ME2 had a different protagonist from Shepard b/c they just screwed it up (IMO).

This pretty much. If DAII gets more DLC ala Legacy and a nice Awakening sized (But not as bugged) expansion to conclude Hawke's storyline, I'd be happy. I want to play as a Seeker in DAIII.

But IF Hawke or the Warden came back, it wouldn't be a deal breaker to me either as I like 'em both.

[jlb524]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Sure, but if they tell me that an Arishok as the same ;evel of responsability than a Sten, then I may have to revise my interest in the Qunari.

They only have responsibility to their role...which seems equal to me no matter what the role entails or how much 'power' it holds.  You must stay in your role no matter what...and that is the most important thing.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Though seeing how the Arishok is a moron in terms of tactics, I would not be surprised.

That's because free-thought seems to be crushed in their society.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
The qunari want to impose their beliefs on everyone. Why would the other qunari freak out at the mere sight of a "ma sarebaas"? Maybe it's part of his job to be freaked out? So he gets to determine what the Qun demands too?

Also, we see a Qunari death squad pursuing a mage in the Gallows (an idiotic sidequest btw). Why?

Those who's role is to go after mages would freak out, but that is not the Arishok.  The Qun demands the Arishok to retrieve the stolen book and that's it.  The qunari you meet in Act 1 during the Sheparding Wolves quest...their role is to chain mages...so of course they freak out over a mage Hawke and try to kill her/him.  The Arishok's role is not to cage mages, so he will let it slide.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Qunari think that mages are dangerous, hence why they do to them what they do. A human mage is no less dangerous because he is not a Qunari, when they happen to live in the same city. But frankly, the entire thing with a mage Hawke makes little sense to me. 

Depends on the qunari's role.  Mage hunters will treat Hawke differently from others.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I would not hope for anything personally, beyond a meaningless cameo.

Yeah, I think the possible death of a character should matter....we will wait and see how it's handled.

[jlb524]

lady constance wrote...

BLASPHEMY  Haha. As for the Hawke - Luck thing, because I'm too lazy to go back and quote your response, I agree. I never said Hawke relied ONLY on luck - I acknowledge that. But without it, I don't think Hawke could have accomplished anything.

You could say the same for any BW protagonist.