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[lady constance]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

lady constance wrote...
[edit] Do you know how often I get called names or told I'm not a "true fan", because I'm NOT in love with Dragon Age 2? It goes both ways.

Yes, and telling her she is an idiot is not helping.

I didn't call her an idiot. I may have somewhat implied it, but that was for an entirely different reason. I don't hate on people for their opinions. I may have somewhat unjustly (I admit) insulted her, but frankly, if you're going to complain about people being negative in a thread like this, you're not being very bright.

[Thor Rand Al]

lady constance wrote...

Thor Rand Al wrote...

lady constance wrote...

I don't like Dragon Age 2, but I plan on planning Dragon age 3...unless Hawke is the protagonist. I don't understand why people bother coming to BSN if you don't want to see some of the complaints people have on DA2. Do you expect to come here and see everyone praising it? How dull would that be? I may not like it, but I have no issues conversing with those that do.

Um because it's 4 months worth of this.  Do you know how fubared it is to go into a thread and say you like this or that n get slammed because all the haters have to come into the thread n ****** n moan about what you just said.  Excuse me for paying a compliment even if it is a small one, back off already.  Not every single thread has to be filled with hate and discontent.  Some of us would like to read what the devs have to say without seeing all the discontent that goes with it, just like you guys want to see a DA to go bk to Origins style, or they want their Wardens back;  well there are some that don't want to go back to that but if we speak our minds and say we like the new DA2 style, were called all sorts of names and basically told where crazy.  Now how fubared is that.  And some have even left BSN because of it.  So ya 4 months worth is OLD.

The OP is asking why people hate Hawke... obviously, people are going to get negative here. If you're too much of an idiot to realize that, or if you can't handle people having different opinions, get the hell of the internet. And for the record, I never ONCE called someone a name for liking Dragon Age 2 - not everyone here is like that. If you want to see "WE LOVE DRAGON AGE 2" comments only, rather than discussing the pros and cons of the game, then go make a fan club. This is a place for discussion.

[edit] Do you know how often I get called names or told I'm not a "true fan", because I'm NOT in love with Dragon Age 2? It goes both ways.

Lmao thank you very much, you just proved my point.  Not once did I call you a name, but you just had to prove what I've been saying. 

[Persephone]

jlb524 wrote...

lady constance wrote...

BLASPHEMY  Haha. As for the Hawke - Luck thing, because I'm too lazy to go back and quote your response, I agree. I never said Hawke relied ONLY on luck - I acknowledge that. But without it, I don't think Hawke could have accomplished anything.

You could say the same for any BW protagonist.

Esp. for the Warden. :lol: No Flemeth or Duncan at the right place at the right time = Game over

[lady constance]

jlb524 wrote...

lady constance wrote...

BLASPHEMY  Haha. As for the Hawke - Luck thing, because I'm too lazy to go back and quote your response, I agree. I never said Hawke relied ONLY on luck - I acknowledge that. But without it, I don't think Hawke could have accomplished anything.

You could say the same for any BW protagonist.

[editing to clarify] Not to the same extent as Hawke. The Warden was saved - luck. But the Warden also sets out to unite the lands against the Blight afterwards. Hawke just sits around while tasks are just given to to him/her. At least that's how it always felt to me.

Modifié par lady constance, 04 août 2011 - 07:03 .

[cmessaz]

lady constance wrote...
 Do you know how often I get called names or told I'm not a "true fan", because I'm NOT in love with Dragon Age 2? It goes both ways.

Ah the same old thing they always say. It goes both ways. I've never called anyone a name on here yet I've been called an ass...so...sorry. Yes no doubt they are out there, and it likely happens...but it's FAR more the other way around hate to break it to you. Also...how long do you intend to keep it up? 6 months? A year? We get the idea. Thats all I'm saying.

Real nice how you implied that my friend is an idiot. Point proven.

[jlb524]

lady constance wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

lady constance wrote...

BLASPHEMY  Haha. As for the Hawke - Luck thing, because I'm too lazy to go back and quote your response, I agree. I never said Hawke relied ONLY on luck - I acknowledge that. But without it, I don't think Hawke could have accomplished anything.

You could say the same for any BW protagonist.

I disagree. Shepard, for example, sets out to accomplish his/her goals. Hawke just had them handed to 'em. At least, that's how it feels to me.

Shepard was railroaded into joining the Spectres.

Shepard just happened to find a Prothean beacon (by...luck!) that helped her/him solve some ancient galactic mystery involving the Reapers and the Prothean extinction.

Shepard was also lucky to find Tali...b/c she had proof against Saren she/he needed...or the Council would have never made her/him a Spectre in the first place.

Then there's Liara...so lucky that Matriarch Benezia's rebel child was not only a Prothean expert, but also an asari...so she could join minds with Shepard to look at these visions and figure out where the Conduit was and where Saren was heading...no...not luck at all

Modifié par jlb524, 04 août 2011 - 07:08 .

[Ryzaki]

Not to mention the Warden being saved wasn't luck (neither was Hawke's saving) it was a Batman Gambit by Flemeth.

Shepard finding the beacon wasn't luck though...that's the whole reason he/she was there in the first place.  Being recruited for the Spectres? Not luck. Due to skill and the fact that they needed someone to throw at Saren.

Tali was some luck.

Liara...not so much. Melding is pretty average as far as Asari are concerned. Her knowing about Ilos was luck though.  

Surving the Beacon *was* luck. But most things...weren't. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 août 2011 - 07:08 .

[Persephone]

cmessaz wrote...

lady constance wrote...
 Do you know how often I get called names or told I'm not a "true fan", because I'm NOT in love with Dragon Age 2? It goes both ways.

Ah the same old thing they always say. It goes both ways. I've never called anyone a name on here yet I've been called an ass...so...sorry. Yes no doubt they are out there, and it likely happens...but it's FAR more the other way around hate to break it to you. Also...how long do you intend to keep it up? 6 months? A year? We get the idea. Thats all I'm saying.

Real nice how you implied that my friend is an idiot. Point proven.

That IS true. It happens far more on the "other" side. And it's far more ACCEPTED too. Which is sad.

[lady constance]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

lady constance wrote...

Thor Rand Al wrote...

lady constance wrote...

I don't like Dragon Age 2, but I plan on planning Dragon age 3...unless Hawke is the protagonist. I don't understand why people bother coming to BSN if you don't want to see some of the complaints people have on DA2. Do you expect to come here and see everyone praising it? How dull would that be? I may not like it, but I have no issues conversing with those that do.

Um because it's 4 months worth of this.  Do you know how fubared it is to go into a thread and say you like this or that n get slammed because all the haters have to come into the thread n ****** n moan about what you just said.  Excuse me for paying a compliment even if it is a small one, back off already.  Not every single thread has to be filled with hate and discontent.  Some of us would like to read what the devs have to say without seeing all the discontent that goes with it, just like you guys want to see a DA to go bk to Origins style, or they want their Wardens back;  well there are some that don't want to go back to that but if we speak our minds and say we like the new DA2 style, were called all sorts of names and basically told where crazy.  Now how fubared is that.  And some have even left BSN because of it.  So ya 4 months worth is OLD.

The OP is asking why people hate Hawke... obviously, people are going to get negative here. If you're too much of an idiot to realize that, or if you can't handle people having different opinions, get the hell of the internet. And for the record, I never ONCE called someone a name for liking Dragon Age 2 - not everyone here is like that. If you want to see "WE LOVE DRAGON AGE 2" comments only, rather than discussing the pros and cons of the game, then go make a fan club. This is a place for discussion.

[edit] Do you know how often I get called names or told I'm not a "true fan", because I'm NOT in love with Dragon Age 2? It goes both ways.

Lmao thank you very much, you just proved my point.  Not once did I call you a name, but you just had to prove what I've been saying. 

Once again, I didn't call you an idiot for liking Dragon Age 2, which is what you said. The two are entirely different things. I said IF you come into a thread asking why people hate Hawke and don't expect to see negative comments, you are an idiot.

So I ask you, did you come in here expecting to see positive comments on Hawke? If so, you're an idiot. If not, then you're not an idiot. The difference is, I'm not going to call you an idiot for having a different opinion.

[KnightofPhoenix]

jlb524 wrote...
They only have responsibility to their role...which seems equal to me no matter what the role entails or how much 'power' it holds.  You must stay in your role no matter what...and that is the most important thing.

A commander of men has drastically different (and more) responsabilities than a soldier, even if their responsability to that role is the same.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Though seeing how the Arishok is a moron in terms of tactics, I would not be surprised.

That's because free-thought seems to be crushed in their society.

They need free thought to realize this?

"People in Hightown feel safe, not because the city's walls are
impregnable, but because an invader would need to scale the stairs from
Lowtown in order to reach them. Many bloody battles have been fought on
those narrow stairs, and in several wars Hightown has held out for
months after Lowtown was taken." (from the main site)

I thought the Qunari were supposed to be very scary at war, and not only thanks to tech.

Those who's role is to go after mages would freak out, but that is not the Arishok.  The Qun demands the Arishok to retrieve the stolen book and that's it.  The qunari you meet in Act 1 during the Sheparding Wolves quest...their role is to chain mages...so of course they freak out over a mage Hawke and try to kill her/him.  The Arishok's role is not to cage mages, so he will let it slide.

The Arishok is their commanding officer. What they do in his charge is his responsability.

If he can't accept that, then why should the Viscount accept to do anything about Petrice?
Were I Hawke, I would have at the very least demanded that the Arishok keep his men in line if he wants me to help him. If not, screw him.

That's what I mean. The Arishok comes off as a big baby really. Demandings things that he would not bother to do himself. Sten had his flaws and was unreasonable at times, but I never felt he was inconsistent and hypocritical....unless the Qun didn't demand of him to be that way?

Depends on the qunari's role.  Mage hunters will treat Hawke differently from others.

You'd make a great Qunari
Just exchange "Qun" with "plot".

[Aeowyn]

Ryzaki wrote...

Not to mention the Warden being saved wasn't luck (neither was Hawke's saving) it was a Batman Gambit by Flemeth.

Shepard finding the beacon wasn't luck though...that's the whole reason he/she was there in the first place.  Being recruited for the Spectres? Not luck. Due to skill and the fact that they needed someone to throw at Saren. 

Surving the Beacon *was* luck. But most things...weren't. 

BUT TEH SPACE JEBUS!!

j/k

I guess my issue with Shepard is that s/he's too special.

[Ryzaki]

Aeowyn wrote...
BUT TEH SPACE JEBUS!!

j/k

I guess my issue with Shepard is that s/he's too special.

Shepard is awesomeness and win. I love Shepard being so ridculously special. 

I just wish he/she wasn't quite so derpish. It's especially glaring when he/she turns super intelligent for five minutes. 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Rojahar wrote...

Persephone wrote...

I want to play as a Seeker in DAIII.

I like that idea. A lot of interesting potential.

If it forces me to try and save an institution I think should die, chances are I am not going to like it.

Worse. If it forces me to get along with Cassandra's idiotic hero finding quest, I am probably going to hate it.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Persephone wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

lady constance wrote...
 Do
you know how often I get called names or told I'm not a "true fan",
because I'm NOT in love with Dragon Age 2? It goes both ways.

Ah
the same old thing they always say. It goes both ways. I've never
called anyone a name on here yet I've been called an ass...so...sorry.
Yes no doubt they are out there, and it likely happens...but it's FAR
more the other way around hate to break it to you. Also...how long do
you intend to keep it up? 6 months? A year? We get the idea. Thats all
I'm saying.

Real nice how you implied that my friend is an idiot. Point proven.

That IS true. It happens far more on the "other" side. And it's far more ACCEPTED too. Which is sad.

Lol. "Other" side. What happened to just calling out rude people one by one, is there a need to place an "us v them" slant on everything?

Neither "side" is inherently worse than the other, there is arrogance, condescension and sarcasm permeating from a large amount of forumites (including myself at times) who have a variety of opinions on the plethora of aspects within Dragon Age 2. The best way to approach is to call people out when they cross the line, rather than try and attribute unhelpful and nonconstructive mindsets as a blanket term for those who disagree with you.

Cmon, Perse. You're better than that.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 04 août 2011 - 07:12 .

[lady constance]

Persephone wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

lady constance wrote...
 Do you know how often I get called names or told I'm not a "true fan", because I'm NOT in love with Dragon Age 2? It goes both ways.

Ah the same old thing they always say. It goes both ways. I've never called anyone a name on here yet I've been called an ass...so...sorry. Yes no doubt they are out there, and it likely happens...but it's FAR more the other way around hate to break it to you. Also...how long do you intend to keep it up? 6 months? A year? We get the idea. Thats all I'm saying.

Real nice how you implied that my friend is an idiot. Point proven.

That IS true. It happens far more on the "other" side. And it's far more ACCEPTED too. Which is sad.

No. Her point was people are being called names for liking Dragon Age 2. I haven't hated on anyone simply for liking Dragon Age 2. EVER.

I also acknowledge that the other way is more common (at least on BSN. On tumblr, it seems to be the other way around). Never stated otherwise. And I feel such actions, from either side, are unwarranted. 

Modifié par lady constance, 04 août 2011 - 07:14 .

[Aeowyn]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

Persephone wrote...

I want to play as a Seeker in DAIII.

I like that idea. A lot of interesting potential.

If it forces me to try and save an institution I think should die, chances are I am not going to like it.

Worse. If it forces me to get along with Cassandra's idiotic hero finding quest, I am probably going to hate it.

So what kind of protagonist would you want for DA3?

Honestly, I'd be happy as long as it's not in Orlais. A game of fake French accents

[Ryzaki]

Oh lord. Orlais...please no game set in Orlais. My ears couldn't take it. D:

[phaonica]

jlb524 wrote...

I don't want them to bring back either Hawke or the Warden as a protagonist.  The thing I'm liking about the DA series is that they have a new protagonist every game.  A new 'perspective' so to speak...I wish that ME2 had a different protagonist from Shepard b/c they just screwed it up (IMO).

I agree with this. I understand the argument of being attached to a character and wanting their story to continue, and/or how certain storylines seem more impactful to a character with a "history" with that storyline, but I think having new characters and new perspectives, as you put it, opens up otherwise inaccessible story branches (such as the perspectives one might have gained growing up in Tevinter, or KalShirok, for example).

[KnightofPhoenix]

Aeowyn wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
If it forces me to try and save an institution I think should die, chances are I am not going to like it.

Worse. If it forces me to get along with Cassandra's idiotic hero finding quest, I am probably going to hate it.

So what kind of protagonist would you want for DA3?

I honestly think origins should be back, but with emphasis on quality (and them making a difference) rather than quantity. 2 or 3. Say Templar, Mage and Seeker. With the game allowing you to switch sides during. That is if the mage war is going to be the focus of DA3.
I do not want a new Warden.

Ideally, I'd wnat to play a Tevinter in the imperium, but that's not going to happen.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Tevinter w/ Origins would be nice. Commoner, Circle Mage, Templar & Seeker.

I honestly don't want to see either the Warden or Hawke in Dragon Age 3. The former, because the Warden's story is done. The latter, because I don't want to see Hawke in any Dragon Age outside of 2.

Orlais would be kinda funny though.

edit:



What, is KoP my personal ninja editor or something?

Modifié par mrcrusty, 04 août 2011 - 07:18 .

[phaonica]

Ryzaki wrote...

Oh lord. Orlais...please no game set in Orlais. My ears couldn't take it. D:

You know, I agree with you on this, and it's a shame, too, because I think a game set in Orlais could be *really* interesting.

[jlb524]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

A commander of men has drastically different (and more) responsabilities than a soldier, even if their responsability to that role is the same.

In our society...can you say the same about the qunari?

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

They need free thought to realize this?

"People in Hightown feel safe, not because the city's walls are
impregnable, but because an invader would need to scale the stairs from
Lowtown in order to reach them. Many bloody battles have been fought on
those narrow stairs, and in several wars Hightown has held out for
months after Lowtown was taken." (from the main site)

I thought the Qunari were supposed to be very scary at war, and not only thanks to tech.

I would guess probably b/c of their brawn and devotion to their role. 

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
The Arishok is their commanding officer. What they do in his charge is his responsability.

If he can't accept that, then why should the Viscount accept to do anything about Petrice?
Were I Hawke, I would have at the very least demanded that the Arishok keep his men in line if he wants me to help him. If not, screw him.

That's what I mean. The Arishok comes off as a big baby really. Demandings things that he would not bother to do himself. Sten had his flaws and was unreasonable at times, but I never felt he was inconsistent and hypocritical....unless the Qun didn't demand of him to be that way?

They don't think like us, though.  The Arishok demands nothing...only the Qun demands anything.  The Arishok's purpose is to fulfill his role in the Qun, whatever that entails.  His purpose involves getting a book back...and that's about it.  The other qunari have roles involving...chaining mages..not him.  He doesn't have the freedom to think outside that box.  The Qun doesn't demand that he do anything about the Viscount or Petrice.  He only acts when the city guards of Kirkwall try to take back his converts or even kill one (Petrice)...the Qun demands he do something about that. 

Sten was demanded to answer a question about the Blight...what is it?  That was his only purpose, and it wasn't difficult to achieve when traveling with a Grey Warden.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

You'd make a great Qunari
Just exchange "Qun" with "plot".

That's me...I'm gonna go off and join the Qun.

[phaonica]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

That is if the mage war is going to be the focus of DA3.
I do not want a new Warden.

I think I would like if the fallout of the mage war was covered in a DA2 expansion.
I would prefer DA3 to cover a different conflict.

Ideally, I'd wnat to play a Tevinter in the imperium, but that's not going to happen.

I would love a game set in Tevinter. Talk about a wildly different perspective to play.

[KnightofPhoenix]

mrcrusty wrote...
What, is KoP my personal ninja editor or something?

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