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#76
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naughty99 wrote...

DukeOfNukes wrote...

"It costs a monthly fee" - How often does Activision release a new map pack for their games. How much money does additional DLC cost? You're paying 15 bucks a month for ongoing support and continual patching. As soon as you stop playing, you're no longer stuck paying 15 bucks...they keep your character on file, and you can sign up again in the future.


I understand you have a certain perspective on this having had some experience playing other MMOs.

At the same time, there are many of us who have never played any MMOs before, but are fans of Bioware games and Star Wars and were considering buying TOR, until we learned about the price a couple days ago.

it's a bit difficult for some of us to wrap our heads around paying $240 for this game for one year because we have never played any games with a monthly subscription fee.

Well all the pre-orders come with 30 days game time, plus early access (don't know if that's included in the 30 days). That should be enough time to decide if you want to subscribe, and if you don't you've still had a month's worth of game just for the box price, no worse than a lot of other games really.

I would think there'll be some sort of trial post launch too --doubt it would be 30 days though, probably the standard 10-- either way it's not as though they're asking for a year long subscription right out of the gate.

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naughty99 wrote...


it's a bit difficult for some of us to wrap our heads around paying $240 for this game for one year because we have never played any games with a monthly subscription fee.

Monthly fee is monthly fee. If you realize you don't have time to keep playing your precious MMO, you cancel your subsciption instead of keep paying through the months. Also, most MMOs ends up offering both free client(the actual game) and free 2 week trial to boot. You never have to pay a dime for client of  Eve online, LOTRO,Rift,WoW,Ultima Online..

Modifié par LTD, 23 juillet 2011 - 12:01 .


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the_one_54321 wrote...

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Except Malgus..

Yes, hence the nerdrage (ba=dum-tish) at the "good" Sith.

So... it's a sematics issue?

Personally I'm looking forward to trying to play a light inquisitor, just to see how the game handles it. They have said it's one of the most difficult characters to play 'light', but I think the back-story (as I've heard it) seems conducive to either depending on how you play it, so it could be interesting.

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Here's all the reason in the world to play TOR, you get to play online with me!

*And EA stood in horror as a million voices cried out, and canceled their preorders*

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nerdage wrote...

naughty99 wrote...

DukeOfNukes wrote...

"It costs a monthly fee" - How often does Activision release a new map pack for their games. How much money does additional DLC cost? You're paying 15 bucks a month for ongoing support and continual patching. As soon as you stop playing, you're no longer stuck paying 15 bucks...they keep your character on file, and you can sign up again in the future.


I understand you have a certain perspective on this having had some experience playing other MMOs.

At the same time, there are many of us who have never played any MMOs before, but are fans of Bioware games and Star Wars and were considering buying TOR, until we learned about the price a couple days ago.

it's a bit difficult for some of us to wrap our heads around paying $240 for this game for one year because we have never played any games with a monthly subscription fee.

Well all the pre-orders come with 30 days game time, plus early access (don't know if that's included in the 30 days). That should be enough time to decide if you want to subscribe, and if you don't you've still had a month's worth of game just for the box price, no worse than a lot of other games really.

I would think there'll be some sort of trial post launch too --doubt it would be 30 days though, probably the standard 10-- either way it's not as though they're asking for a year long subscription right out of the gate.


I'm just not comfortable paying $60 for a game I can only play for 30 days.

Or $75 for a game I can only play for 60 days

Or $240 for a game I can only play for 1 year.

I work pretty much the same amount of hours every week, every month, etc. I have a limited amount of free time, so it's not like I will have more time next month that I didn't have this month.

Unless I had a massive amount of free time to play this game (not to mention interest in spending all that time playing it), then it feels like TOR is overly expensive. (At least, for those of us who haven't played MMOs before and are accustomed to paying once to buy a game and own it permanently.) 

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naughty99 wrote...

I'm just not comfortable paying $60 for a game I can only play for 30 days.

Or $75 for a game I can only play for 60 days

Or $240 for a game I can only play for 1 year.

I work pretty much the same amount of hours every week, every month, etc. I have a limited amount of free time, so it's not like I will have more time next month that I didn't have this month.

Unless I had a massive amount of free time to play this game (not to mention interest in spending all that time playing it), then it feels like TOR is overly expensive. (At least, for those of us who haven't played MMOs before and are accustomed to paying once to buy a game and own it permanently.) 

Fair enough. I had the same aversion when I started MMOs, I was playing f2p for ages (Runescape!) before I finally decided to give subscribing a go. As nice as the trial periods are for subscription MMOs, it can be better to just play a f2p MMO for a while to decide if it's a genre you're even interested in. Bear in mind that some f2p MMOs aren't as good as subscription based ones though, they're more of a mixed bag.

Modifié par nerdage, 23 juillet 2011 - 02:01 .


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Reasons I won't be buying SW:TOR....
1) Monthly subscription fee
2) It's a MMO
3) It's not KOTOR 3

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naughty99 wrote...

it's a bit difficult for some of us to wrap our heads around paying $240 for this game for one year because we have never played any games with a monthly subscription fee.

And never will.

Bug fixing should be free.  DLC should be optional.

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Addai67 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

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I think I'm getting my money's worth, considering things might very well continue at this price point for many years, whereas I doubt - even if I absolutely loved it - I would be playing a single player RPG like Skyrim for that long.

You expect to be playing it for 40 hours a week? o_O


Have you played Morrowind and Oblivion with mods?

What's that go to do with anything?  I just can't imagine playing any game for 40 hours a week.


The point is that it is fairly easy to breeze through many hours, even up to 40 hours a week in an Elder Scrolls game with awesome community mods.

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Addai67 wrote...

Maverick827 wrote...

I think I'm getting my money's worth, considering things might very well continue at this price point for many years, whereas I doubt - even if I absolutely loved it - I would be playing a single player RPG like Skyrim for that long.

You expect to be playing it for 40 hours a week? o_O

I typically don't go out on work nights, so from whenever I get home until whenever I go to bed is time available for gaming, as far as I'm concerned.

When you have friends playing the game with you, playing it for many hours every day after work is quite easy.  The weekends are a bit more variable, though.

Let's also be a bit more realistic about the price and how much time the average person spends on games like Oblivion and Skyrim.  You get the first month of most MMOs free, so it costs no more than a regular game to play for the first month.  

From there you either don't like it and stop playing, just as you would for a single-player game that you would buy for the same price, or enjoy it and continue playing.  For the following months it would, indeed, be a bit more expensive than a single-player game.  However in my experiences the average gamer spends much, much more time on an MMO than he or she would on a single-player game; the amount of people who play Oblivion for 1000+ hours over the course of a few years is, in my opinion, significantly smaller than the amount of people who have played World of Warcraft for 1000+ hours over a similar period of time.

Modifié par Maverick827, 23 juillet 2011 - 09:09 .


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nerdage wrote...

Personally I'm looking forward to trying to play a light inquisitor, just to see how the game handles it. They have said it's one of the most difficult characters to play 'light', but I think the back-story (as I've heard it) seems conducive to either depending on how you play it, so it could be interesting.


Yes this is how i intend to build one of my characters as well.

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 "Do you fall in love with your companions and risk your place in the jedi order or KILL THEM when you find out they've been cheating on you?"

:o

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Fidget6 wrote...

 "Do you fall in love with your companions and risk your place in the jedi order or KILL THEM when you find out they've been cheating on you?"

:o

Wait what?

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1 hour gameplay demo

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Blastback wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...

 "Do you fall in love with your companions and risk your place in the jedi order or KILL THEM when you find out they've been cheating on you?"

:o

Wait what?


Quote from the video.

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SWTOR 2011 Comic-Con Panel

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 I guess no one wants to actually discuss it? :unsure:

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/13/index/7321744

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Ringo12 wrote...

 I guess no one wants to actually discuss it? :unsure:

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/13/index/7321744

I find it easier to discuss things when I can prove someone else's flawed opinoins wrong. :D

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I find it easier to discuss things when I can give a crap :P

No I'm being way to critical but thats for good reason. MMOs are either gonna have to be completely free or extremely impressive. TOR has promise I'll admit but like I said paying a monthly fee is very hard for me to get behind.

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Some recent SWTOR info:

http://www.gamasutra...uld_Sell_3M.php

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I think after playing World of Warcraft for so long and realising what a time sink it was, ill pass on all and any MMOs that are released now or in the future.

Its just pretty frightening when you say it out loud that you've been playing one game on and off for 7 years.

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Hey Mercannis, nice ****ing necro