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sael_feman wrote...

mineralica wrote...

I extremely happy that my team of super biotics, tech geniuses, genius scientists and saviours of something who is also all look like supermodels will finally have one normal guy


You have an interesting point, at least this new character doesn't look like a supermodel. He could be found on a Californian beach weightlifting next to a beardy biker called Dave.


Thanks Mineralica, nice point of view.


S'F'

teheheheh cute ... really
I wouldn't call Vega average, you'll see ....:o that english sex machine is more than you think .

Oh ****!!! top page AGAIN! :crying: but what did i do to deserve this
oh nevermind deal with it
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iEscaflowne wrote...


Well of course, Bioware did say they were having Bi crew members.

Seriously speaking though I detest the way James looks, he looks too over the top and experienced for someone who is supposed to represent someone who knows nothing about ME universe.


In Mass Effect 1 Shepard was an experienced soldier who was well known for his achievments (all depending on your background). Yet you knew nothing of the politics and workings of the ME universe. You became introduced to how it all worked by your superior Captain Anderson, among others.

In ME3 you are the commanding officer on the Normandy for the Alliance again. To me it is only natural you get someone like James Vega assigned to your command, an experienced soldier who might not be that much "in the loop" about the politics of the universe - much like how your Shepard was in ME1.

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sael_feman wrote...

No I'm not sick.

I was making the point that breaking away from convention would make the game more interesting.
You may disagree as to my example, and I happily accept that. But let's not forget that young men/ women have been dying as combattants in wars for centuries.

It might just be a North American perspective (I don't know where you hail from) but in the worst of human conflicts children have fought, the Battle for Leningrad, The trenches of world war 1, African conflicts, not only muscle bound professional soldiers.


You do know that the use of children as soldiers is banned through U.N and certain countries will ban a movie/game if it depicts violence against children?

While it is happening in the real world sadly enough, it is not alright to depict it in games. Germany f.example. would instantly ban the game, and several major NGOs would immediately critizise BW generating tonnes of bad publicity.

And besides just because it happens in real life you don't go depict pedophilia in games, or rape for that matter.

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cjzeddy wrote...

iEscaflowne wrote...


Well of course, Bioware did say they were having Bi crew members.

Seriously speaking though I detest the way James looks, he looks too over the top and experienced for someone who is supposed to represent someone who knows nothing about ME universe.


In Mass Effect 1 Shepard was an experienced soldier who was well known for his achievments (all depending on your background). Yet you knew nothing of the politics and workings of the ME universe. You became introduced to how it all worked by your superior Captain Anderson, among others.

In ME3 you are the commanding officer on the Normandy for the Alliance again. To me it is only natural you get someone like James Vega assigned to your command, an experienced soldier who might not be that much "in the loop" about the politics of the universe - much like how your Shepard was in ME1.




Thanks for your considered perspective, it's interesting. I hope you are right too. I want Vega to be a worthwhile addition to the game. Not just a bullet magnet.

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Errrr.... assuming (and it is a big assumption) that Shep is back in the Alliance, we are gonna be space marines fighting the big bad. It makes sense that we get, you know, a space marine on board. Especially given the weediness of most characters (in ME1 you could snap femShep like a twig, which was why it was freaking hilarious when she tossed Kaidan over her shoulder like a sack of spuds on Virmire :o)

I couldn't care less what the guy looks like. I'd rather have a generic-looking character with a decent personality than the 'never-before-seen' alien thrown in to be 'interesting'.

Modifié par caraniente, 20 juillet 2011 - 03:24 .


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trolololololol.

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nhsk wrote...

sael_feman wrote...

No I'm not sick.

I was making the point that breaking away from convention would make the game more interesting.
You may disagree as to my example, and I happily accept that. But let's not forget that young men/ women have been dying as combattants in wars for centuries.

It might just be a North American perspective (I don't know where you hail from) but in the worst of human conflicts children have fought, the Battle for Leningrad, The trenches of world war 1, African conflicts, not only muscle bound professional soldiers.


You do know that the use of children as soldiers is banned through U.N and certain countries will ban a movie/game if it depicts violence against children?

While it is happening in the real world sadly enough, it is not alright to depict it in games. Germany f.example. would instantly ban the game, and several major NGOs would immediately critizise BW generating tonnes of bad publicity.

And besides just because it happens in real life you don't go depict pedophilia in games, or rape for that matter.


I agree with your views, and upon consideration I see you have made a good case for them. I certainly wouldn't want to see that latter point in any game, nor would it reach the shelves.

perhaps I could widen my point to express my desire to see some gritty realism in games, ME3 is going to be an 18 rated game (UK) so it is for adults, not children. I feel that mature issues like children caught up in conflict is something that could justifiably be addressed in such a title.

I retract my first point regarding a child becoming a part of the team, I see now why legally that is a no no.

Any good game leaves the player/ user with a sense of something bigger, a questions of morals: sacrifice a few to save a million.

I hope ME3 meets my expectations.

S'F'

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I hate the word cliché, it's lost all it's meaning from overuse.
If James Vega is a cliché, apparently for being a meat head, then surely anyone who isn't a meat head are cliché because there are many more of them. See what I mean?

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Dunstan wrote...

I hate the word cliché, it's lost all it's meaning from overuse.
If James Vega is a cliché, apparently for being a meat head, then surely anyone who isn't a meat head are cliché because there are many more of them. See what I mean?


It's an interesting point, one worth exploring. When I studied film in my A levels (UK qualifications) I learnt that genre can be viewed as a critics's intellectual construct, it may not actually be real.

Do you not feel that a "meat head" as you describe him is not germane to action games, and that on a scale of occurance, there are more meat heads than small dangeous yodas?

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I don't see many people nag about Shepard being a Mary Sue, so I don't see why people would judge a whole character based on literally two images of him. They're judging the book by its cover.

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sael_feman wrote...

cjzeddy wrote...

iEscaflowne wrote...


Well of course, Bioware did say they were having Bi crew members.

Seriously speaking though I detest the way James looks, he looks too over the top and experienced for someone who is supposed to represent someone who knows nothing about ME universe.


In Mass Effect 1 Shepard was an experienced soldier who was well known for his achievments (all depending on your background). Yet you knew nothing of the politics and workings of the ME universe. You became introduced to how it all worked by your superior Captain Anderson, among others.

In ME3 you are the commanding officer on the Normandy for the Alliance again. To me it is only natural you get someone like James Vega assigned to your command, an experienced soldier who might not be that much "in the loop" about the politics of the universe - much like how your Shepard was in ME1.




Thanks for your considered perspective, it's interesting. I hope you are right too. I want Vega to be a worthwhile addition to the game. Not just a bullet magnet.


From a roleplaying perspective I find the addition of James Vega rather interesting. Shepard is an incredibly skilled soldier, yet throughout the two games his/her role as a leader is growing more and more important. Shepard has an incredible charisma and presence, able to influence and effect those around him/her. Just look at how he/she influenced all the companions in ME2 (depending on your choices).

Now back with the Alliance Shepard has the opportunity to mold the next generation of the Alliance soldiers - in this case James Vega - how he should percive the rest of the galaxy.

It might not be this route Bioware is planning to take with James Vega as a character, but I can always hope. Either way I always have faith that Bioware will make it good.

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Yeah, I hate him because he's taking the place of a better character.

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Get over it.

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I would personally LOVE it if he turns out to have a similar personality to brucie from GTA4.

BE GENETICALLY DIFFERENT BABY.


And it would be an interesting twist if the gay romance turned into a coming out of the closet experience for both vega and maleshep.

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brainless78 wrote...

What the hell is wrong with you people, we never even HEARD him talk once and you all hate him?!

Wait and see before shooting him down like that!



welcome to the Bioware forums...where insanity runs amok..:P
Truly, this is hte reason I only drpo in here occasionaly. This place be too disturbing.

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mineralica wrote...

I extremely happy that my team of super biotics, tech geniuses, genius scientists and saviours of something who also all look like supermodels will finally have one normal guy


This.

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Undertone wrote...

I never understood the "wait and see" approach. Then if something is ****ed up there's nothing that can be done to change it.

As opposed to claiming something is ****ed up without any exposure to the character in question?

Now, the sense of time is a hard concept to grasp, as is the general principal that you need to understand something before you can really judge it, but-

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sael_feman wrote...

He might look tough, but James Vega doesn't work for me as a new character.

I'm sure he will be a great character to fight along side, but this photo brings out a feminine touch. (Image in link below)

http://www.g4tv.com/...-new-companion/


Ok, so you've seen the image now; I could imagine this character mincing (gay walk) with a squeaky voice, "oh darling...what a big gun you've got". His shirt is too tight and he looks too groomed ( a bit like Duke Nukem), a real soldier looks unremarkable.

I feel there are better soldiers we could have played alongside;

Kurt Russell
http://images3.cinem...H8jcyq0DA==.jpg

Sean Pertwee
http://www.propstore...ldiers-8(1).jpg

A controversial choice, why not introduce a moral dilema (Shepherd finds a child soldier fighting the husks on Earth and incorporates him into his team in order to save him) (See Image)
http://southasia.one...ldier-burma.jpg

It might seem controversial, but it would have been an editorial change from the muscular bullet spitting marine stereotype.


Thoughts anyone?


S'F'



Big problem is that Bioware is mentally retarded and are basically making a white marine who looks part african (dem nostrals) with a flamingly gay haircut (military shoulda been more bald/well groomed there). Vega is a typical "tank" squad filler who will blindly rush in like all of the squad A.I. for the past two games because Bioware is also unable to fix a minor A.I. issue.

The thought of a "tank" like soldier is fine by me - if he's not a fu*king gay Kaidan Taylor Anders 3.0 -- oh wait...HE IS A GAY KAIDAN TAYLOR ANDERS 3.0!!!!! EVERYONE HIDE YOUR BALLS AND YOUR ASS - VEGA IS COMING TO TOWN!!!!

Ah...Anyway...

Bioware won the "Biggest Troll Company Ever" - so lets all jump on the ""Lets pander to every small retarded group out there instead of fixing plotholes, game glitches and problems, A.I. issues, and everything else under the sun! More CoD fans, Gays, Bi's, emos, and people who pick on handicaped men!!!""

Damn you Bioware! 

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Lotion Soronnar wrote...

brainless78 wrote...

What the hell is wrong with you people, we never even HEARD him talk once and you all hate him?!

Wait and see before shooting him down like that!



welcome to the Bioware forums...where insanity runs amok..:P
Truly, this is hte reason I only drpo in here occasionaly. This place be too disturbing.



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GET IT OR GET OFF!!

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LeVaughnX wrote...
Big problem is that Bioware is mentally retarded and are basically making a white marine who looks part african (dem nostrals) with a flamingly gay haircut (military shoulda been more bald/well groomed there). Vega is a typical "tank" squad filler who will blindly rush in like all of the squad A.I. for the past two games because Bioware is also unable to fix a minor A.I. issue.

The thought of a "tank" like soldier is fine by me - if he's not a fu*king gay Kaidan Taylor Anders 3.0 -- oh wait...HE IS A GAY KAIDAN TAYLOR ANDERS 3.0!!!!! EVERYONE HIDE YOUR BALLS AND YOUR ASS - VEGA IS COMING TO TOWN!!!!

Ah...Anyway...

Bioware won the "Biggest Troll Company Ever" - so lets all jump on the ""Lets pander to every small retarded group out there instead of fixing plotholes, game glitches and problems, A.I. issues, and everything else under the sun! More CoD fans, Gays, Bi's, emos, and people who pick on handicaped men!!!""

Damn you Bioware! 

Sure is racist AND homophobic around here. You really should consider some religious/sexist intolerance here for a hat trick.

Also, about your complaints about plotholes, glitches and AI issues... I'm SURE Bioware's writers, programmers and QA do nothing but lovingly render every hair on Vega's bum in 3d studio max in those few months the game has been postponed. Becaues you know, those same guys TOTALLY work on every aspect of the game, and one character is eating into their time.

Or... maybe not? It's thinking time!

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I guess he could be considered a cliche. But I don't really see a problem; he looks like a marine. We haven't seen him in action so to speak, so he could be an interesting character. I'll reserve my final judgement until I actually play the game.

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brainless78 wrote...

What the hell is wrong with you people, we never even HEARD him talk once and you all hate him?!

Wait and see before shooting him down like that!


You forgot one thing:    /thread

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sael_feman wrote...

Do you not feel that a "meat head" as you describe him is not germane to action games, and that on a scale of occurance, there are more meat heads than small dangeous yodas?


i would say that it is cultural rather than anything else, if you look at western entertainment there would appear to be a predisposition toward the "big guy" being the threat, partialy because larger more muscular individuals can appear imposing.
 
In games specifcally, i would guess that it is far easier to script AI for a character that is slower and moves on only one plane than an ultra agile one.

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sael_feman wrote...

He might look tough, but James Vega doesn't work for me as a new character.

I'm sure he will be a great character to fight along side, but this photo brings out a feminine touch. (Image in link below)

http://www.g4tv.com/...-new-companion/


Ok, so you've seen the image now; I could imagine this character mincing (gay walk) with a squeaky voice, "oh darling...what a big gun you've got". His shirt is too tight and he looks too groomed ( a bit like Duke Nukem), a real soldier looks unremarkable.

I feel there are better soldiers we could have played alongside;

Kurt Russell
http://images3.cinem...H8jcyq0DA==.jpg

Sean Pertwee
http://www.propstore...ldiers-8(1).jpg

A controversial choice, why not introduce a moral dilema (Shepherd finds a child soldier fighting the husks on Earth and incorporates him into his team in order to save him) (See Image)
http://southasia.one...ldier-burma.jpg

It might seem controversial, but it would have been an editorial change from the muscular bullet spitting marine stereotype.


Thoughts anyone?


S'F'


James Vega once saved 10 kittens from a burning fire....HE DEF FITS!

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VolusvsReaper wrote...

sael_feman wrote...

He might look tough, but James Vega doesn't work for me as a new character.

I'm sure he will be a great character to fight along side, but this photo brings out a feminine touch. (Image in link below)

http://www.g4tv.com/...-new-companion/


Ok, so you've seen the image now; I could imagine this character mincing (gay walk) with a squeaky voice, "oh darling...what a big gun you've got". His shirt is too tight and he looks too groomed ( a bit like Duke Nukem), a real soldier looks unremarkable.

I feel there are better soldiers we could have played alongside;

Kurt Russell
http://images3.cinem...H8jcyq0DA==.jpg

Sean Pertwee
http://www.propstore...ldiers-8(1).jpg

A controversial choice, why not introduce a moral dilema (Shepherd finds a child soldier fighting the husks on Earth and incorporates him into his team in order to save him) (See Image)
http://southasia.one...ldier-burma.jpg

It might seem controversial, but it would have been an editorial change from the muscular bullet spitting marine stereotype.


Thoughts anyone?


S'F'


James Vega once saved 10 kittens from a burning fire....HE DEF FITS!




ha ha ha! You're funny @VolusvsReaper


If the characterisation is good I'll accept the stereotypical body given to James Vega.