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[Kavatica]

You know when you click on Sebastian after you've taken Anders to the Chantry, and all he can say is "Did you ever ask Anders what he wanted with the Chantry?" I really wish Hawke would respond: "I don't know. Why don't you ask him? He's standing right there." Since most of the time he's in my party.

Also, wish there was a response for when you click on Gamlen in the Blooming Rose and he asks you not to tell Leandra. An awesome response involving blackmail and a year of indentured servitude.

[Kavatica]

ReallyRue wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Sebastian: You must kill Anders for this.

Hawke: You don't exactly look helpless. You do it. I'm a little bit busy right now trying to save what's left of the mages in this city from a madwoman, my sister among them. I don't have time to settle any purse-swinging contests between you two.

Oh, I would have loved this dialogue option. Seriously Sebastian, he's right there! Why don't you kill him!

I know! You get to say something like this to Alistair when he doesn't want you to agree to take on Zev. Why can't you say it to Sebastian? 

[EmperorSahlertz]

If you aren't going to kill Anders, chances are you are going to protect him. Sebastian knows he can't take on Hawke and survive, so he asks for Hawke to do what is right.. What is wrong with the dialogue already in that scene?

[Kavatica]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

If you aren't going to kill Anders, chances are you are going to protect him. Sebastian knows he can't take on Hawke and survive, so he asks for Hawke to do what is right.. What is wrong with the dialogue already in that scene?

Oh, I don't know if Hawke not wanting to kill Anders means Hawke doesn't want to see Anders dead. Maybe Hawke just doesn't want to be the one pulling the trigger, so to speak. 

[Lazy Jer]

Kavatica wrote...

Oh, I don't know if Hawke not wanting to kill Anders means Hawke doesn't want to see Anders dead. Maybe Hawke just doesn't want to be the one pulling the trigger, so to speak. 

That's a good point.  Though in that scenario I would think Hawke would deffer to Aveline rather then Sabastian.  Sabastian may be a stronger advocate of bumping off Anders, but Aveline as a guard captain/former guard captain would be the most legitimate authority.

[Kavatica]

Lazy Jer wrote...

Kavatica wrote...

Oh, I don't know if Hawke not wanting to kill Anders means Hawke doesn't want to see Anders dead. Maybe Hawke just doesn't want to be the one pulling the trigger, so to speak. 

That's a good point.  Though in that scenario I would think Hawke would deffer to Aveline rather then Sabastian.  Sabastian may be a stronger advocate of bumping off Anders, but Aveline as a guard captain/former guard captain would be the most legitimate authority.

Yes, but Aveline isn't the one having a temper tantrum at this point. This is why it would make more sense to just have an extra dialogue option after Sebastian starts screaming at Hawke and turning blue in the face where Hawke could just turn and say "By all means...go nuts."

[Lazy Jer]

Kavatica wrote...

Yes, but Aveline isn't the one having a temper tantrum at this point. This is why it would make more sense to just have an extra dialogue option after Sebastian starts screaming at Hawke and turning blue in the face where Hawke could just turn and say "By all means...go nuts."

True 'nuff.  Aveline is too groovey for all that.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Kavatica wrote...

Lazy Jer wrote...

Kavatica wrote...

Oh, I don't know if Hawke not wanting to kill Anders means Hawke doesn't want to see Anders dead. Maybe Hawke just doesn't want to be the one pulling the trigger, so to speak. 

That's a good point.  Though in that scenario I would think Hawke would deffer to Aveline rather then Sabastian.  Sabastian may be a stronger advocate of bumping off Anders, but Aveline as a guard captain/former guard captain would be the most legitimate authority.

Yes, but Aveline isn't the one having a temper tantrum at this point. This is why it would make more sense to just have an extra dialogue option after Sebastian starts screaming at Hawke and turning blue in the face where Hawke could just turn and say "By all means...go nuts."

That would make Hawke look too apathetic to the whole situation. He doesn't want to kill Anders, he doesn't wanna let him go either, actually he doesn't really care? Too weak of a position for a main character.

[TEWR]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

That would make Hawke look too apathetic to the whole situation. He doesn't want to kill Anders, he doesn't wanna let him go either, actually he doesn't really care? Too weak of a position for a main character.

Considering he couldn't be bothered to take an interest in the Mage-Templar conflict until it happened on his doorstep, it's unfortunately very much in line with who Hawke is.

Bah...

[Kavatica]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Kavatica wrote...

Lazy Jer wrote...

Kavatica wrote...

Oh, I don't know if Hawke not wanting to kill Anders means Hawke doesn't want to see Anders dead. Maybe Hawke just doesn't want to be the one pulling the trigger, so to speak. 

That's a good point.  Though in that scenario I would think Hawke would deffer to Aveline rather then Sabastian.  Sabastian may be a stronger advocate of bumping off Anders, but Aveline as a guard captain/former guard captain would be the most legitimate authority.

Yes, but Aveline isn't the one having a temper tantrum at this point. This is why it would make more sense to just have an extra dialogue option after Sebastian starts screaming at Hawke and turning blue in the face where Hawke could just turn and say "By all means...go nuts."

That would make Hawke look too apathetic to the whole situation. He doesn't want to kill Anders, he doesn't wanna let him go either, actually he doesn't really care? Too weak of a position for a main character.

I don't think this would mean that he doesn't care or is weak. Again, he just doesn't want to be the executioner in this case (depending on the type of character you choose to play, anyways), especially when someone else is clearly much more passionate about this issue (Sebastian's whole "Do this or I will bring my army down upon Kirkwall" speech makes it pretty clear he is very passionate about this). To me, it seemed like Hawke was thrown into a lot of the decisions he made in the game. He doesn't appear to be deliberately running out and killing people on his own. Maybe Hawke is tired of having to run around killing everyone and wants to let someone else do it for once.

Also, who says the protagonist has to be in charge of killing everyone, anyways? I recall being able to let other people do the damage in DAO. I can have Alistair kill Loghain for example, or I can kill him myself, or I can spare him. And there were several other circumstances along these lines. So it is possible for a main character to not take responsibility for someone's life and not be weak. 

Modifié par Kavatica, 19 mars 2012 - 12:37 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

That would make Hawke look too apathetic to the whole situation. He doesn't want to kill Anders, he doesn't wanna let him go either, actually he doesn't really care? Too weak of a position for a main character.

Considering he couldn't be bothered to take an interest in the Mage-Templar conflict until it happened on his doorstep, it's unfortunately very much in line with who Hawke is.

Bah...

Hawke could very well take an interrest in the whole conflict. For either side really. We don't know what happened in the three years between each act (or rather, we only got some sporadic insights), so Hawke could have taken an interrest in it. However, whatever he did in those years, will have been insufficient to change things. Just because we don't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. The three year gaps, leaves lots of space for fan fic. As long as it is within reason. Some people do have a bad habit of always fan-ficing their main character as a Mary Sue/Gary Stu.

[Kavatica]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

That would make Hawke look too apathetic to the whole situation. He doesn't want to kill Anders, he doesn't wanna let him go either, actually he doesn't really care? Too weak of a position for a main character.

Considering he couldn't be bothered to take an interest in the Mage-Templar conflict until it happened on his doorstep, it's unfortunately very much in line with who Hawke is.

Bah...

This. Hawke does not choose greatness. Hawke has greatness thrust upon him.

[Kavatica]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

That would make Hawke look too apathetic to the whole situation. He doesn't want to kill Anders, he doesn't wanna let him go either, actually he doesn't really care? Too weak of a position for a main character.

Considering he couldn't be bothered to take an interest in the Mage-Templar conflict until it happened on his doorstep, it's unfortunately very much in line with who Hawke is.

Bah...

Hawke could very well take an interrest in the whole conflict. For either side really. We don't know what happened in the three years between each act (or rather, we only got some sporadic insights), so Hawke could have taken an interrest in it. However, whatever he did in those years, will have been insufficient to change things. Just because we don't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. The three year gaps, leaves lots of space for fan fic. As long as it is within reason. Some people do have a bad habit of always fan-ficing their main character as a Mary Sue/Gary Stu.

It really depends on the character you are playing. You can play a character who really cares and wants to "make Kirkwall a better place for everyone" (diplomatic Hawke) or you can play a Hawke who really doesn't give a crap ("Hawke this, Hawke that. Why does everything fall on me?") or you can play a Hawke who just wants to do what he needs to do to survive ("What are you pestering me for?"). It's really up to you. I could see sarcastic Hawke and aggressive Hawke letting Sebastian be the executioner in this case, no problem. 

And of course, it also has to do with your Hawke's relationship to Anders and opinion on the whole mage vs. templar thing. You can be pretty much apathetic/neutral for the whole game if you want. I was on my first playthrough. At least up until Meredith and Orsino (and Anders) force you to make a choice in the grand finale. And even then - my character was forced. She didn't make one on her own.

Modifié par Kavatica, 19 mars 2012 - 12:42 .

[TEWR]

Kavatica wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

That would make Hawke look too apathetic to the whole situation. He doesn't want to kill Anders, he doesn't wanna let him go either, actually he doesn't really care? Too weak of a position for a main character.

Considering he couldn't be bothered to take an interest in the Mage-Templar conflict until it happened on his doorstep, it's unfortunately very much in line with who Hawke is.

Bah...

This. Hawke does not choose greatness. Hawke has greatness thrust upon him.

I'd say he has failure thrust upon him, and not in a very great and badass way. Failure can make a protagonist awesome, but that's if they fail to prevent something from happening. Not just fail entirely.

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Hawke could very well take an interrest in the whole conflict. For either side really. We don't know what happened in the three years between each act (or rather, we only got some sporadic insights), so Hawke could have taken an interrest in it. However, whatever he did in those years, will have been insufficient to change things. Just because we don't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. The three year gaps, leaves lots of space for fan fic. As long as it is within reason. Some people do have a bad habit of always fan-ficing their main character as a Mary Sue/Gary Stu.

You do realize that neither Meredith nor Orsino know the Champion's disposition towards the whole conflict, and Orsino actually wants to hear what he has to say on the matter? Because of that, the Champion hasn't done anything to help out. Anders makes it a point to keep Hawke -- even a pro-mage Hawke with influence amongst the Guardsmen -- from aiding the Mage Underground. Likewise, Meredith told Cullen that she wasn't accepting any more help in Act II.

So Hawke isn't given a chance to aid either side of the conflict, which paints him as someone who not only doesn't care -- since a Hawke that did care would argue with Cullen or Anders about why he should be able to help -- and is unable to make a real difference.

At any rate, it's true enough that Dragon Age II is fanfic material. But that's just as much a bad thing as it is a good thing. Fanfic shouldn't be made to correct the game's faults. It should be made simply to be fanfic. To expand on the world of Thedas for each player.

I'm going to try not to make Tobias Hawke much of a Gary Stu. I've got a few ideas on how he can be flawed enough so that one can see him as badass, but also a real person.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 19 mars 2012 - 03:44 .

[Kavatica]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I'd say he has failure thrust upon him, and not in a very great and badass way. Failure can make a protagonist awesome, but that's if they fail to prevent something from happening. Not just fail entirely.

You have the best quotes. 

[Cody]

Awwww. This awesome thread is getting derailed

[Kavatica]

CodyMelch wrote...

Awwww. This awesome thread is getting derailed

Whoops, sorry.  Back on topic, everyone!

[ThePhoenixKing]

Kavatica wrote...

CodyMelch wrote...

Awwww. This awesome thread is getting derailed

Whoops, sorry.  Back on topic, everyone!

Indeed, derailing is bad.

More awesome quote ideas!

Arishok: One day, we shall return.
Diplomatic!Hawke: And on that day, I'll be there to stand against you.

Alternatively:

Humourous!Hawke: An army of angry giants who have consistantly failed to conquer Thedas coming for another spanking? I live in fear.
Aggressive!Hawke: By all means, Arishok, bring them on. We'll be sure to give them a taste of Kirkwall hospitality.

[Ryzaki]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

If you aren't going to kill Anders, chances are you are going to protect him. Sebastian knows he can't take on Hawke and survive, so he asks for Hawke to do what is right.. What is wrong with the dialogue already in that scene?

My Hawke's not a kill stealer. That was Seb's rightful kill. He should've taken it.

[Hurbster]

Anders 'blah, blah, blah, blah'

Hawke 'shut up'

Anders 'blah, blah, blah, blah'

Hawke 'shut up'

Anders 'blah, blah, blah, blah'

Hawke 'right you whinging git, 'stabby stab stab' - steals map

Problem solved

[Always Alice]

I wanted more nuanced dialogue options when talking to Anders near the end. If you let him stay with you it seems like Hawke doesn't care that he just blew up a church and make her an accomplice by having her gather the materials (and then he has the balls to tell Hawke he didn't want her to get involed? wtf). I would like to have had the option to confront him about this at least.

[Adanu]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

That would make Hawke look too apathetic to the whole situation. He doesn't want to kill Anders, he doesn't wanna let him go either, actually he doesn't really care? Too weak of a position for a main character.

Considering he couldn't be bothered to take an interest in the Mage-Templar conflict until it happened on his doorstep, it's unfortunately very much in line with who Hawke is.

Bah...

WTF? Hawke can make a stand RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE ACT.

If you didn't, that's your own damn fault.

[Darkrider296]

OMTING52601 wrote...

By sticking a murder-knife in his back? Yep.

And ditto Anders after mother dies. I really wanted a 'you're a giant p*ick, you know that?' option.

I remeber him saying that you were lucky to have her as long as you did. What opition do you have to pick to have him be insensitive? 

[Darkrider296]

I also remember him saying that you could take your anger out on him. What a masochist