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[Wulfram]

Nerevar-as wrote...

It's the "humorous" response to the Viscount after Seamus is murdered by Petrice and he's holding his dead son in his arms weeping.  If Aveline is in the party, when you leave the Chantry she rightly calls Hawke an ass.

Something´s wrong when I want to punch my main character so many times in a game.

It's an option.  In this case, the icon and paraphrase ("Look on the bright side") make it pretty clear what you'll get, so I don't think there's much ground for complaint.

Modifié par Wulfram, 22 juillet 2011 - 11:09 .

[ThePhoenixKing]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I approve of all of those.

Thanks! Thank goodness for this internship I'm doing, I'm getting much better at writing stuff like that off the cuff because of it. Might offer some more later,

[GavrielKay]

Rifneno wrote...

Gervaise wrote...
I've no idea about the bit where you are told Meredith has already applied for RoA but other posts have indicated this (unless they are merely assuming).

You have to let Ser Karras, murderer and rapist, live by tricking him into leaving during Act I's Act of Mercy quest. If he's alive, he'll mention it when you talk to him in the Gallows in Act III.

I think I actually got this from Cullen in an unprompted conversation.  I think it's sometime in Act 3 you can just walk up to him and talk and he'll say something about it.

[ThePhoenixKing]

GavrielKay wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Gervaise wrote...
I've no idea about the bit where you are told Meredith has already applied for RoA but other posts have indicated this (unless they are merely assuming).

You have to let Ser Karras, murderer and rapist, live by tricking him into leaving during Act I's Act of Mercy quest. If he's alive, he'll mention it when you talk to him in the Gallows in Act III.

I think I actually got this from Cullen in an unprompted conversation.  I think it's sometime in Act 3 you can just walk up to him and talk and he'll say something about it.

Yeah, he mentions that Meredith has asked the Grand Cathedral for permission to use the Rite, and that "those robes are gonna get their lesson. Soon."

That being said, we have no idea if Meredith had actually received permission (Orsino fears that she might call the Rite, but doesn't actually say if she's gotten the go-ahead from Val Royeaux). Also, it's up for debate if she needed the Rite in the event a full-fledged rebellion broke out and she didn't want to be hamstrung, or if she intended on using it to wipe out the Circle at the slightest pretext. Personally, I think it's the latter, but that's just me.

To get back on topic, more dialogue!

Sebastian: It's our duty to tell the templars.
Fenris: Then why haven't you done it?
Sebastian: I guess I was hoping they'd come to it on their own.
Fenris: And then you wouldn't have to betray Hawke's friends, right?
Sebastian: That's not reason enough to allow a maleficar to walk free.
Hawke: Are you saying what I think you're saying?
Sebastian: It is not my intention to betray you, Hawke, but-
Hawke: You betray my friends, Sebastian, and you betray me. Those "maleficar" you condemn have done nothing but help you since we first met, and now you're considering selling them out the templars?
Sebastian: I have a duty to the Maker, Hawke, and as much as I might wish otherwise, that duty is clear. We can't just let blood mages like Merrill walk amongst us, unchecked.
Hawke: You even breathe a word about Merrill to the templars, Sebastian, and there won't be enough of you left to burn. I'll know.

(Obviously, there will be a variation if you're romancing Anders instead).

Here's another idea I had for when you support the mages during the Last Straw. After Meredith and Orsino parley in the Gallows, Hawke addresses the assembled templars, hoping to dissaude them from attacking (or just completely ream them out).

Diplomatic!Hawke: Templars, hear me! I know you are only following your orders, and I know you feel you are doing what must be done. But the mages within the Gallows are innocent. They played no part in the Chantry's destruction. If there is any mercy or compassion left in you, please, withdraw from here. If you leave now, I swear to you that you will not be harmed, but if you persist, then we'll cut you down to the last.
(The templars remain motionless in their ranks)
So be it. If you will give no quarter to these people, then none will be shown to you.

Some variations, based on personality:

Silly!Hawke: Are you people serious? You're really planning to do this. You're honestly planning to march to your deaths on the orders of this crazy bint? Huh. Well, I guess I was wrong. I thought that the templars were made up of noble warriors fighting for a righteous cause; turns out the lot of you are a bunch of  spineless ****es. If that's the way you want it, then come and have a go if you think you're hard enough.

Aggressive!Hawke: Cowards! Vermin! Scum! Look at you, every last one of you ****ers eager to bathe your blades in the blood of children. A band of monsters in plate mail, strutting about like the ****s of the dunghill, bullying everyone in sight. Well, if you wanted war, you murdering little ****s, you'll get it! Best start digging your graves now, 'cause we ain't gonna dig them for you! Show us what passes for fury amongst you skirt-wetting sons-of-****es!

Yes, that is a Dawn of War reference in the Aggressive one. Which do you guys prefer?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

This probably wasn't really a practical option to add but considering that Anders still believes in the Chant of Light and the Maker, I kind of felt one perhaps perfect example of a thing to say to him if you chose to stab him was to quote that line about Maleficarum from Transfigurations. It's especially ironic because he didn't use any blood magic, so while he doesn't qualify as a Maleficar in the Chantry's definition, he does from the Chant's definition.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 23 juillet 2011 - 01:54 .

[DPSSOC]

Hawke: Varric, it occurs to me that with myself, Merril, and Anders we have enough power and knowledge to tear this festering postule of a city apart.
Varric: And?
Hawke: Why haven't I done this?
Varric: It's your mother's childhood home.
Hawke: Right. Thank you. This city throws so much trouble my way I sometimes forget.

Modifié par DPSSOC, 23 juillet 2011 - 02:45 .

[Cody]

DPSSOC wrote...

Hawke: Varric, it occurs to me that with myself, Merril, and Anders we have enough power and knowledge to tear this festering postule of a city apart.
Varric: And?
Hawke: Why haven't I done this?
Varric: It's your mother's childhood home.
Hawke: Right. Thank you. This city throws so much trouble my way I sometimes forget.

Hah! I like.

• Merrill: Pol... What was he thinking? ... He acted like I was a monster...
• Fenris: You are a monster.
• Hawk: This coming from a guy with the ability to shove his arm inside of people and has less mercy and more killing intent than any other person I have ever met....if you think Merrill, the cutie pie who would cry if she stepped on a bug is a monster and not yourself.....you have a pretty messed up way of thinking my friend.

• Sebastian: You need to seek atonement.
• Merrill: I know I should've died there, not Marethari. Don't you think I feel guilty enough?
• Sebastian: Guilt isn't a punishment. It's a reminder of the things you haven't set right.
• Sebastian: The only way to shed its burden is to repent with a sincere heart and to rectify your failings.
• Merrill: But how?
• Merrill: The Keeper is dead, my clan lost everything because of me.
• Merrill: There's not enough I can do in this lifetime to make up for that.
• Sebastian: It was your pride that led you to the demon. Admitting what you can't do is a good first step.
• Hawke: Oh go to hell. She wanted to help her race. It had nothing to do with pride you self-rightous bastard. And seeking forgivness from a selfish, childish, negilent, incestrious, non-existent deity sure as hell isn't going to make things better.

• Fenris: Terrible things do happen, Sebastian.
• Sebastian: But what we see is only a piece of the puzzle. Only the Maker can see the greater picture.
• Fenris: The guilty prosper. Innocents die.
• Sebastian: And then they are brought to the side of the Maker. Their suffering ends. There is always a greater purpose.
• Fenris: Danarius once killed a little boy to fuel blood
  magic that let him impress his fellow Senators at a party. What was the
  purpose there?
• Sebastian: Perhaps it was witnessing that which will give you the strength to prevent it ever happening again.
• Hawke: So the Maker would willingly sacrifice children in order to help give close minded fools like Fenris (and yourself) strength? What a great deity to serve indeed <_<

Modifié par CodyMelch, 06 février 2012 - 04:35 .

[TEWR]

Damn.... all of these ideas are really good!

I hate Andrastianism. It's so.... idiotic

[DPSSOC]

After facing Tarohne
Hawke: Fenris.
Fenris: Yes Hawke?
Hawke: If ever you hear me supporting mages again, remind me of today.

After facing Ser Alrik
Hawke: Anders.
Anders: Yes Hawke?
Hawke: If ever you hear me supporting Templars again, remind me of today.

End Game
Hawke: Varric.
Varric: Yes Hawke?
Hakwe: What the !@#$ is wrong with this city?

[Leon481]

Sebastian: (paraphrased) Hawke, Hurry up and kill Anders or I will raise such an army and get revenge on you and this whole city.

Hawke: If you want revenge so badly, Anders is right there. Go ahead.

or

Hawke: If Elthina were here what would she say to that? She fought you time and time again to dissuade you from revenge. Do you really think she would want you to carry out yet another act of vengance in her name?

Modifié par Leon481, 23 juillet 2011 - 04:34 .

[LadyJaneGrey]

Asch Lavigne wrote...
 
Hawke needed a shut up option for just about everyone in that game.

Agreed.  Maybe a "withering stare" option on the wheel would work?  All the companions (even the ones I loved) had at least one "I cannot believe you just said that" moment.  Varric, how could you be so jerky? 

[TEWR]

wait, Varric was jerky? When?

[FJVP]

Cullen: Mistress Bethany is being taken to the Circle.

Hawke: *pulls out murder knife and stabs Cullen in the face while quickly dispatching the other templar with Beth's help* ... where were we? Ah, yes. I found a treasure that will make us rich!

[LadyJaneGrey]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

wait, Varric was jerky? When?

After Bethany died in the Deep Roads, towards the end of the return-to-Kirkwall conversation, Varric says something along the lines of "at least you'll be rich."

While true, my Hawke didn't appreciate the sudden change from "I'm sorry about your sibling who died because my brother's a bastard" to "but still - money!" 

[Macropodmum]

Leon481 wrote...

Sebastian: (paraphrased) Hawke, Hurry up and kill Anders or I will raise such an army and get revenge on you and this whole city.

Hawke: If you want revenge so badly, Anders is right there. Go ahead.

or

Hawke: If Elthina were here what would she say to that? She fought you time and time again to dissuade you from revenge. Do you really think she would want you to carry out yet another act of vengance in her name?

Yes to both of those options with perhaps an addition to the first along the lines of "because revenge worked so well for you last time"

Modifié par Macropodmum, 23 juillet 2011 - 05:41 .

[In Exile]

The option to tell Merrill that demons using you is also a way for demons to get what they want. It's hard to decide who was stupider between Merrill and Marethari, but the fact that you couldn't point challenge Merrill's ego was annoying, e.g.

Hawke: Merrill, it might occur to you that the demon might be using your isolation to play havoc with others.
Merrill: I'm perfectly capable of protecting myself.
Hawke: Using someone as bait s a strategy you know; don't be surprised if the demon never bothers with you and just posses some new halfwit first.

[TEWR]

What really bugs me is how Ariane and her clan never told Marethari's clan about the Eluvians and the book they have, which Morrigan returned to them at the end of Witch Hunt.

It would've been nice to see Ariane's clan meeting up with Marethari's clan to rescue them, and Ariane and Merrill converse on the Eluvians when you go there, and Merrill asks to borrow the book and the Keeper of Ariane's clan allows it because of what Ariane told them regarding the Eluvian in the Dragonbone Wastes.

Obviously this would be before Marethari commits suicide by idiocy.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 23 juillet 2011 - 05:59 .

[Rifneno]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

What really bugs me is how Ariane and her clan never told Marethari's clan about the Eluvians and the book they have, which Morrigan returned to them at the end of Witch Hunt.

It would've been nice to see Ariane's clan meeting up with Marethari's clan to rescue them, and Ariane and Merrill converse on the Eluvians when you go there, and Merrill asks to borrow the book and the Keeper of Ariane's clan allows it because of what Ariane told them regarding the Eluvian in the Dragonbone Wastes.

Obviously this would be before Marethari commits suicide by idiocy.

Actually, there's a good reason for that. Witch Hunt takes place in 9:32, and Act I (after the year of servitude) takes place in 9:31. So the clan was already in the Free Marches well before the book was recovered. The Dalish clans don't know where the other clans are, according to the DAO story (it takes them a while to find the other Ferelden clans before the march on Denerim), so finding one that had roamed to the Free Marches would be like a needle in a haystack even if they did have reason to look for them specifically.

Although this doesn't answer why it was never brought up to Marethari before it was stolen. Then again... perhaps it was. Maybe she knows something we don't and that's why she was so vehemently against Merrill fixing the mirror.

[tmp7704]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

What really bugs me is how Ariane and her clan never told Marethari's clan about the Eluvians and the book they have, which Morrigan returned to them at the end of Witch Hunt.

Doesn't Marethari clan only run into their eluvian right before the Blight breaks out, which means that's after the last cyclic 10-year meeting, and then DA2 ends before next such meeting happens... effectively meaning there's no opportunity for that? By the time Ariane's clan get their book back the Marethari clan is already in Kirkwall.

Alternatively, we don't really know if they didn't actually share some knowledge about the mirrors earlier -- maybe that's where Marethari's stance how these were abandoned on purpose etc comes from.

edit: 'd

Modifié par tmp7704, 23 juillet 2011 - 06:33 .

[TEWR]

tmp7704 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

What really bugs me is how Ariane and her clan never told Marethari's clan about the Eluvians and the book they have, which Morrigan returned to them at the end of Witch Hunt.

Doesn't Marethari clan only run into their eluvian right before the Blight breaks out, which means that's after the last cyclic 10-year meeting, and then DA2 ends before next such meeting happens... effectively meaning there's no opportunity for that? By the time Ariane's clan get their book back the Marethari clan is already in Kirkwall.

Alternatively, we don't really know if they didn't actually share some knowledge about the mirrors earlier -- maybe that's where Marethari's stance how these were abandoned on purpose etc comes from.

edit: 'd

I doubt it. Marethari didn't know about the Eluvians prior to their discovery by Mahariel and Tamlen. And Marethari's dialogue in Act 3 indicates they've been in contact with other clans.

[TEWR]

Rifneno wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

What really bugs me is how Ariane and her clan never told Marethari's clan about the Eluvians and the book they have, which Morrigan returned to them at the end of Witch Hunt.

It would've been nice to see Ariane's clan meeting up with Marethari's clan to rescue them, and Ariane and Merrill converse on the Eluvians when you go there, and Merrill asks to borrow the book and the Keeper of Ariane's clan allows it because of what Ariane told them regarding the Eluvian in the Dragonbone Wastes.

Obviously this would be before Marethari commits suicide by idiocy.

Actually, there's a good reason for that. Witch Hunt takes place in 9:32, and Act I (after the year of servitude) takes place in 9:31. So the clan was already in the Free Marches well before the book was recovered. The Dalish clans don't know where the other clans are, according to the DAO story (it takes them a while to find the other Ferelden clans before the march on Denerim), so finding one that had roamed to the Free Marches would be like a needle in a haystack even if they did have reason to look for them specifically.

Although this doesn't answer why it was never brought up to Marethari before it was stolen. Then again... perhaps it was. Maybe she knows something we don't and that's why she was so vehemently against Merrill fixing the mirror.

but the elves were getting a reputation for camping out near Sundermount (due to losing their halla).

[tmp7704]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I doubt it. Marethari didn't know about the Eluvians prior to their discovery by Mahariel and Tamlen. And Marethari's dialogue in Act 3 indicates they've been in contact with other clans.

Marethari only says she's never heard about the mirror doing the thing it did to Mahariel/Tamlen. Which wouldn't be surprising given that's result of darkspawn meddling with it rather than something it'd do by design. It doesn't have to mean she's completely unaware of existence of such thing as eluvians.

Dunno about the contact with other clans, considering they're still sitting on their bums and waiting for the halla delivery all way to the game ending..?

[Kappa Neko]

CodyMelch wrote...

Merrill: Pol... What was he thinking? ... He acted like I was a monster...

Fenris: You are a monster.

Hawk:
This coming from a guy with the ability to shove his arm inside of
people and have less mercy and killing intent than any other person I
have ever met....if you think Merrill, the cutie pie who would cry if
she stepped on a bug is a monster and not yourself.....you have a pretty
messed up way of thinking my friend.

[/list]So much this!
I was really pissed off with Fenris for insulting my friends all the time.
I even romanced the guy as a mage, thinking that this would change him a little.
But no such luck. I was stuck with the most resentful character ever!
Personality-wise the Fenris romance was the worst of all the DA and ME romances and the most unfitting for my Hawke. I should have stuck with the drama queen Anders or better yet, gone lesbian with Merrill...

[Zymmas]

Fidget6 wrote...

""I'm flattered Anders, but I'm not interested." It's annoying you have to either flirt back or do an uncomfortable sounding "I don't want you thinking of me in that way!"

Oh my god! Seriously!!! My first playthrough I went with the Fenris romance but I felt really bad about shutting Anders down like that so I just did that part before recruiting Fenris. On my second playthrough I just romanced Anders lol ../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png