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[Sons of Horus]

Dialogue options you would've liked to have ? Punching most of my companions and the npc's when they opened their mouths and retarded statements came out (Anders mostly though).

[Kappa Neko]

Gervaise wrote...

Kappa Neko: Did you not get the conversation with Fenris if you're romancing him as a mage when you ask him if after all this time he still blames magic and he replies to the effect that he admits you're okay but that for every mage like me there are a dozen scary ones, which is not actually true of Thedas as a whole, but in the context of the storyline seems quite reasonable given by this point in Act 3, there have been quite a lot of them, including those I helped earlier in the game who then turned on me.

I did get this conversation, of course. But that wasn't enough for me. I do get that since the Kirkwall mages have all gone "crazy", people like Fenris won't have a complete change of heart only because they are doing a mage.
BW did a great job showing how the mages and the templars are stuck in a vicious circle of hate. How violence leads to more violence up to a point where Anders sees no hope and blows up the Chantry. Thus forcing the templars to defend themselves.
In this context it wouldn't make sense for Fenris to turn into a mage defender. But if he can admit that not all mages are evil, why not at least stop insulting the companions? Surely he knows them a little. Why not show some respect for the people his Hawke chose to trust. Unless he thinks Hawke is the only good mage in Kirkwall which is absurd.
I would have liked to confront him more about his blind hatred.
I'm not saying that he's a poorly written character because he doesn't change. Not at all. The whole game is about the companions having their opinions and own agenda no matter what Hawke thinks or does. Which often leads to terrible things. I like the pessimistic atmosphere of the game. Fenris's behavior makes sense.
It's just something that annoys me about the romance. I would have liked to see a tiny bit of doubt. Or maybe even disapproval of Meredith at the end. But nooo, Fenris supports the templars wanting to kill every mage in Kirkwall. How can he do this and not see it as a betrayal of Hawke?! If it's ok to kill all mages, that includes Hawke!
If he thinks Hawke is different, surely there must be other good mages!
Let's just say Fenris really pissed me off and that I would have liked the option to tell him so *g*

Macropodmum wrote...

Found another...while talking to Aveline after she betrays you in the fade
Aveline: who can resist that?
Hawke: I did!

Oh? Aveline didn't betray me. I had wondered if maybe she's the only one who doesn't. Guess it's random after all...

Modifié par Kappa Neko, 24 juillet 2011 - 09:23 .

[TEWR]

Gervaise wrote...

Kappa Neko: Did you not get the conversation with Fenris if you're romancing him as a mage when you ask him if after all this time he still blames magic and he replies to the effect that he admits you're okay but that for every mage like me there are a dozen scary ones, which is not actually true of Thedas as a whole, but in the context of the storyline seems quite reasonable given by this point in Act 3, there have been quite a lot of them, including those I helped earlier in the game who then turned on me.

That's not strictly a romance conversation. You can have that one even if you're not romancing Fenris.

Oh? Aveline didn't betray me. I had wondered if maybe she's the only one who doesn't. Guess it's random after all...

She'll betray you if you don't take Isabela into the Fade.


Desire demon affects: Isabela primarily. Aveline is affected if Isabela isn't in the party

Pride Demon affects: Merrill, Fenris, Varric. Merrill is affected primarily and overrules the other two, Fenris is affected if Merrill isn't in the party and he overrules Varric, and Varric is affected if the former two aren't in the party.

Sebastian won't go in to the Fade, and Justice will betray you if you side with Torpor.

Dog is unaffected.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 24 juillet 2011 - 09:27 .

[Macropodmum]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Oh? Aveline didn't betray me. I had wondered if maybe she's the only one who doesn't. Guess it's random after all...

She'll betray you if you don't take Isabela into the Fade.

Desire demon affects: Isabela primarily. Aveline is affected if Isabela isn't in the party

Pride Demon affects: Merrill, Fenris, Varric. Merrill is affected primarily and overrules the other two, Fenris is affected if Merrill isn't in the party and he overrules Varric, and Varric is affected if the former two aren't in the party.

Sebastian won't go in to the Fade, and Justice will betray you if you side with Torpor.

Dog is unaffected.

Yes, last playthrough I lost Isabella and Merrill to the demon, so this time I took Varric, Aveline & Fenris and lost Aveline and Fenris.  Fenris seemed genuinly sorry he abandoned me in there whereas Aveline acted like it was my fault for taking her in there in the first place...

[berelinde]

Macropodmum wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Oh? Aveline didn't betray me. I had wondered if maybe she's the only one who doesn't. Guess it's random after all...

She'll betray you if you don't take Isabela into the Fade.

Desire demon affects: Isabela primarily. Aveline is affected if Isabela isn't in the party

Pride Demon affects: Merrill, Fenris, Varric. Merrill is affected primarily and overrules the other two, Fenris is affected if Merrill isn't in the party and he overrules Varric, and Varric is affected if the former two aren't in the party.

Sebastian won't go in to the Fade, and Justice will betray you if you side with Torpor.

Dog is unaffected.

Yes, last playthrough I lost Isabella and Merrill to the demon, so this time I took Varric, Aveline & Fenris and lost Aveline and Fenris.  Fenris seemed genuinly sorry he abandoned me in there whereas Aveline acted like it was my fault for taking her in there in the first place...

Aveline has a deep distrust of magic. It is not as rabid as Fenris's, but it is definitely there. She tries to suppress her negative feelings toward anything magical when Hawke is involved, either because he is a mage or because he has asked her to interact with magical things or beings, but she is unable to eliminate it entirely.

Fenris's remorse depends on his friendship/rivalry status, which was well done, from a character consistency standpoint. If he is favorably inclined toward Hawke, he will be more forgiving. If he is Hawke's rival, he will blame Hawke. I've played it through both ways, and there is a difference.

[andraip]

I wanted an option to side with the Qunari in the end of Act to, like giving him Izzy with the Tome of Koslun and saying "Hey, I want to subvert to the Qun. I have enough of this place, I wanna get out of here.".

[ladyofpayne]

Action points like ME 2. Some NPC need to be slapped.

[Rifneno]

Sharn01 wrote...

I actually liked Aveline up until this conversation, it made me realize that she was very self rightious and thought she was better then everyone else.

That's Aveline in a nutshell. Even if you're total lawful good half of Hawke's chats with her in the Barracks have her starting crap for no reason. If I didn't see the darkspawn surprise attack Wesley with my own two eyes, I'd think it was really an elaborate suicide to get the hell away from her. I am so sorry for Donnic.

Kappa Neko wrote...

I did get this conversation, of course. But that wasn't enough for me. I do get that since the Kirkwall mages have all gone "crazy", people like Fenris won't have a complete change of heart only because they are doing a mage.
BW did a great job showing how the mages and the templars are stuck in a vicious circle of hate. How violence leads to more violence up to a point where Anders sees no hope and blows up the Chantry. Thus forcing the templars to defend themselves.

What the hell.

andraip wrote...

I wanted an option to side with the Qunari in the end of Act to, like giving him Izzy with the Tome of Koslun and saying "Hey, I want to subvert to the Qun. I have enough of this place, I wanna get out of here.".

If you're a mage, there's always tranquility. Plenty of ways out there to destroy your free will. $$$

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Anders: It's full of magic, and not the good kind.
Hawke: Woah, that sounds nasty. I vote we leave this obviously evil lyrium idiol right here and never come back.

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 24 juillet 2011 - 11:56 .

[lucia 123]

Fenris: You know, you cannot wish the templars away.
Bethany: I can try.
Fenris: Is the Circle here truly so terrible an option?
Bethany: Do you really have to ask that?
Fenris: You would be kept safe from others as well as yourself, and they would be kept safe from you.
Hawke:  (Drawing her Sword), That depends. How much longer do you want to test that 'luck' of yours Fenris??

Modifié par lucia 123, 24 juillet 2011 - 02:57 .

[Ayanko]

If Warden was an Amell and slept with Isabela, And Isabela slept with Hawke:-
Isabela: That was nice, you're up in the top three.
Hawke: The top three? Surely I'm first!
Isabela: Nope, Second.
Hawke: Then whose first?
Isabela: Your cousin, which reminds me...talk about a family resemblance.
Hawke: Thanks Isabela.

[Vit246]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Vit246 wrote...

Meredith: Even if I wanted to, I could not stay my hand. The people will demand blood!

Hawk: The people? You are the most powerful person in all of Kirkwall. Are you so weak and inept as to allow "the people" to become a raving bloodthirsty mob and dictate demands to a knight-commander templar? "The people" do not know **** about anything. And since when the hell do you care about "the people"? Ever since Viscount Dumar died, you have prevented "the people" of Kirkwall from electing a new Viscount! As a templar, you have consistently violated Chantry law by taking and holding secular title and power. You have allowed the templars under your command to murder any "people" who so much as provide food to a hungry mage. Your templars ignored the pleas of one apostate mage who pleaded for the templars and chantry to help the orphan children under her care. Just now, the Chantry has exploded, and instead of sending your templars to provide aid to any "people" who may have been affected, you have illegally invoked the Right of Annullment without Chantry permission and are sending your templars away from "the people". You don't give a Maker-damn about any of the people!

slight correction:

It wasn't illegal. Gaider said that after the bomb, she had the authority to do so. Thus, it was legal. Immoral definitely, but not illegal.

I know. And I think Gaider would say anything to stick it to the "sided with mages by default" people.

[tmp7704]

Macropodmum wrote...

Found another...while talking to Aveline after she betrays you in the fade
Aveline: who can resist that?
Hawke: I did!

Aveline: Sure, Hawke. Because you're sitting in front of a monitor and none of that is real to you.

[TheJediSaint]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Lukas Kristjanson wrote...

Heh. "Maraas Movers. Nothing is Better."

Best. Qunari pun. Ever.

Semi related note:  I want more puns for Snark Hawk.  Perhaps have puns as a speical dialgue option for the starky personality.  My brain is just tickled by the potential reactions of NPCs to a good(bad) pun.  Anything from befuddlement to murderous rage.

Modifié par TheJediSaint, 24 juillet 2011 - 11:22 .

[Rifneno]

Ayanko wrote...

If Warden was an Amell and slept with Isabela, And Isabela slept with Hawke:-
Isabela: That was nice, you're up in the top three.
Hawke: The top three? Surely I'm first!
Isabela: Nope, Second.
Hawke: Then whose first?
Isabela: Your cousin, which reminds me...talk about a family resemblance.
Hawke: Thanks Isabela.

You win the Internet.  Congratulations.

Vit246 wrote...

I know. And I think Gaider would say anything to stick it to the "sided with mages by default" people.

I liked the part where he asked indignantly, "What, I'm defending the templars now?"  Uhh...

TheJediSaint wrote...

Semi related note:  I want more puns for Snark Hawk.  Perhaps have puns as a speical dialgue option for the starky personality.  My brain is just tickled by the potential reactions of NPCs to a good(bad) pun.  Anything from befuddlement to murderous rage.

I was kind of disappointed FemHawke romancing Anders couldn't make the terrible pun when Anders was going on about wanting another cat.  C'mon, let's put that M for Mature to more use than having bandits explode like your arrows are grenades.

[TheJediSaint]

Rifneno wrote...

I was kind of disappointed FemHawke romancing Anders couldn't make the terrible pun when Anders was going on about wanting another cat.  C'mon, let's put that M for Mature to more use than having bandits explode like your arrows are grenades.

Inspired but dangerous.  I doubt Justice would have been amused.

[Ayanko]

Averline: How do you live like you do? I'm surprised you're not bedridden with disease.
Isabela: Ohhhh, lady man hands is at it again.
Averline: Slattern!
Isabela: Sticks and stones may break my bones, but whips and chains excite me.

Random NPC: Avert your eye Fereldan dog.
- Male Hawke randomly pisses next to them-
Random NPC: WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
Hawke: It's a dog thing.

[Sajuro]

maxernst wrote...

GavrielKay wrote...


And also to suggest to Fenris that he clean up the dead bodies in his borrowed mansion.

Yes, that was extremely weird.  Were they just that lazy or did they actually intend Fenris to be living with a bunch of decomposing corpses? 

Nah, they aren't dead, they're all just wasted.

[Sajuro]

Ayanko wrote...

Averline: How do you live like you do? I'm surprised you're not bedridden with disease.
Isabela: Ohhhh, lady man hands is at it again.
Averline: Slattern!
Isabela: Sticks and stones may break my bones, but whips and chains excite me.

Random NPC: Avert your eye Fereldan dog.
- Male Hawke randomly pisses next to them-
Random NPC: WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
Hawke: It's a dog thing.

Mabari Dominance activated!

-As the Arishok lays dieing, Hawke who respected him-
Hawke: Why did you fight, I gave you the book.
Arishok:I don't regret that we met in battle, Basalit-an. You and I are of a kind, in another time and another place... we might have called each other friends.

[Rifneno]

Sajuro wrote...

Ayanko wrote...

Averline: How do you live like you do? I'm surprised you're not bedridden with disease.
Isabela: Ohhhh, lady man hands is at it again.
Averline: Slattern!
Isabela: Sticks and stones may break my bones, but whips and chains excite me.

Random NPC: Avert your eye Fereldan dog.
- Male Hawke randomly pisses next to them-
Random NPC: WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
Hawke: It's a dog thing.

Mabari Dominance activated!

-As the Arishok lays dieing, Hawke who respected him-
Hawke: Why did you fight, I gave you the book.
Arishok:I don't regret that we met in battle, Basalit-an. You and I are of a kind, in another time and another place... we might have called each other friends.

Can I combine those?  I want to active Mabari Dominance while the Arishok is dying.  A mabari lifting its left on his face should be the last thing he experiences.

[Ryzaki]

Fenris: What does magic touch that it doesn't spoil?
Mage Hawke: Me apparently. Unless it's my magic fault for all the crap that happens in my life.

[Sajuro]

Fenris: What does magic touch that it doesn't spoil.
Hawke: Milk.

[Yuqi]

Sajuro wrote...

Fenris: What does magic touch that it doesn't spoil.
Hawke: Milk.

 lol ^this

[Ryzaki]

Sajuro wrote...

Fenris: What does magic touch that it doesn't spoil.
Hawke: Milk.

This would've been perfect for funny Hawke. 

[TEWR]

Hawke: The keeper was stupid (whatever that paraphrased into)
Anders: How can you say that?
Hawke: So becoming an abomination is the smart thing to do? Figures you'd say that.
Anders: That's not what I--
Hawke: Anders, it doesn't matter what you meant. You were here when we found out that the Keeper poisoned Merrill's standing with the clan, then had the audacity to ask her to come back like nothing bad would happen! You were here when we found out Merrill cleansed a tainted shard of the Eluvian! By the fact that no one in the Alienage, Merrill especially, has contracted the Blight then it must be true! You just heard Merrill say that only powerful magic could've freed the demon, and Marethari's the one who cast that spell! And you want to point the finger at Merrill?
Anders: She trusted a demon! You're trusting a blood mage!
Hawke: Oh go **** yourself with a cactus! I've trusted an abomination not to do anything to me, my friends, and the people of Kirkwall for six years! You're hardly one to play the trust card when your situation is much worse and less deserving of trust, you pompous ass!