295 réponses à ce sujet

[Sith Grey Warden]

This interview really doesn't add anything to what we know about Legacy. Legacy appears to be moving in the right direction, but it's quite clear that things like a voiced protagonist and faster combat can't be fixed in a DLC. Whether or not Bioware does right what they claim they're trying to do will be a big indicator, though, for what DA3 will look like.

Modifié par Sith Grey Warden, 20 juillet 2011 - 09:11 .

[Merilsell]

Ah, yes there is a DLC coming soon. Already have forgotten that *shrugs indifferently*

[Redcoat]

I'm not sure what's really objectionable about the interview, save for the "this is our audience" bit. A DLC cannot make changes to the core gameplay mechanics; that's what a patch does. It cannot change the art style, because then it would clash horribly with the rest of the game. And the DLC certainly isn't going to be aimed at people who outright hated DA2, because those people aren't going to fork over $10 for more of a game they hate.

[Atakuma]

Ploppy wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

What exactly were you expecting? If you thought they would radically alter the gameplay for a couple of hours worth of content, then you don't have a firm grasp on reality.

Or you've played Darkspawn Chronicles. One of those two things.

Darkspawn Chronicals didn't alter anything, it had the same art style, the same animations, and the same core mechanics.

[AquamanOS]

I'm more annoyed that much like many other Bioware interviews the speaker doesn't really say much of anything new, and is cautious, as if afraid a squad of Bioware/EA ninjas will pop up and kill them if they say something not company approved.

I understand the need to keep stuff under wraps, but if you can't speak your mind, why bother interviewing at all?

[happy_daiz]

@AquamanOS

What exactly did you want him to say? The interview was for publicity - there is a DLC coming out for this game next week, as you and everyone else in this forum are well aware. Did there need to be some big epiphany?

[Frybread76]

happy_daiz wrote...

@AquamanOS

What exactly did you want him to say? The interview was for publicity - there is a DLC coming out for this game next week, as you and everyone else in this forum are well aware. Did there need to be some big epiphany?

Do you hang out here 24/7 defending Bioware/EA/DA2?  You're like on every post.

[happy_daiz]

Frybread76 wrote...

Do you hang out here 24/7 defending Bioware/EA/DA2?  You're like on every post.

I really like seeing my own username, j/k. Actually, I'll be signing off here in about 5 minutes, so you won't see me again until tomorrow. 

I'm trying to figure out why reactions to DA2 are so polarized. What you perceive as me defending BW is me playing devil's advocate.

Edit: I think the experience for players is different on each platform, and I'm curious if that is related to the issues people have with this game, or if it's a nostalgia/expectation thing, or what. Sadly, I try hard to be a fixer, but it doesn't always work out for me.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 20 juillet 2011 - 10:01 .

[Stanley Woo]

AquamanOS wrote...

I'm more annoyed that much like many other Bioware interviews the speaker doesn't really say much of anything new, and is cautious, as if afraid a squad of Bioware/EA ninjas will pop up and kill them if they say something not company approved.

Or afraid that the internet will pick apart every sentence and phrase and speculate wildly on anything it doesn't understand and/or agree with and/or fit within its preconceived ideas of what the product should be.

[PillarBiter]

JohnEpler wrote...

To clarify my last post - am I saying people can't be skeptical? Not in the slightest. If you were disappointed in DA2, well, I think you have every right to take its DLC with an enormous grain of salt. If I had a product I wasn't pleased with, you can bet that any future iterations on that product would be something I'd be very careful about. What I am saying, however, is that to declare it evidence that we're abandoning any section of our fanbase is a little premature. Particularly if it's in reaction to news that, well, is true of pretty much any DLC.

Looking forward to the content john. I really find it annoying when people just want an old game (DAO) to be refurbished in it's new iteration. It takes guts and hard work to try and get a franchise in a new direction, which you guys clearly did, and I am very happy about. Does DA2 have its flaws? it does, but I enjoy it. As do many other people. Im sure you guys are used to the criticism by now, even though it might still hurt. I say keep at it, and do your own thing. If you guys wanna reinvent something, please, surprise us. Just another clone game really isnt the direction I want to see either Mass effect or dragon age go in.

Are the 2nd games less RPG-ey? yes. Is that bad? no. If you want to play rpgs, there are a billion copies of the same game alle around the world, play those. I for one think you guys succeed immensely at melding rpg and action. Keep up the good work.

just... no more recycling please take your time

[Firky]

AquamanOS wrote...

I'm more annoyed that much like many other Bioware interviews the speaker doesn't really say much of anything new, and is cautious, as if afraid a squad of Bioware/EA ninjas will pop up and kill them if they say something not company approved.

I understand the need to keep stuff under wraps, but if you can't speak your mind, why bother interviewing at all?

I think it's more likely that the forum would "pop up and kill them" if they weren't cautious. (Or even if they were.)

I can understand frustration at "PR speak" but maybe he did just speak his mind. (As someone who liked the game - why do I always have to write that as a caveat now?) it sounded fine to me. There was info about what to expect gameplay and storywise. We don't want *too* much info, do we?

On a slightly different track. And this, 'Is he nervous about the upcoming release? “That’s a good question,” Melo says — though apparently not good enough for a direct answer.' (in my opinion) is a bit rude. Yes, it is an interesting question, but (presumably) he didn't want to answer it, so deflected it. His job is to provide information about the product, not delve into his personal feelings (unless he wants to - but why would you in this particular context?)

I totally get gamers loving and hating games, and wanting Dragon Age to be more old school, or more (any of a number of things) but I really think there is a limit to what can be expected from interviews etc. Information. That's what can be expected, (IMO).

Edit: ^ OK, I just read the whole thing and the bit I thought was a "bit rude" probably just sounds lighthearted in the overall context. Also, OP, you seem to have grabbed quotes that you can put a negative spin on. In its entirety, that's actually quite a fun article.

Modifié par Firky, 20 juillet 2011 - 11:20 .

[Rogue Roxy]

Stanley Woo wrote...

AquamanOS wrote...

I'm more annoyed that much like many other Bioware interviews the speaker doesn't really say much of anything new, and is cautious, as if afraid a squad of Bioware/EA ninjas will pop up and kill them if they say something not company approved.

Or afraid that the internet will pick apart every sentence and phrase and speculate wildly on anything it doesn't understand and/or agree with and/or fit within its preconceived ideas of what the product should be.

WHAT?? That actually happens on the internet?? Gah! Need to cancel my subscripion, then.
*Leaves pointless thread*

~ Roxy

[Frybread76]

MrCry0 wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

To clarify my last post - am I saying people can't be skeptical? Not in the slightest. If you were disappointed in DA2, well, I think you have every right to take its DLC with an enormous grain of salt. If I had a product I wasn't pleased with, you can bet that any future iterations on that product would be something I'd be very careful about. What I am saying, however, is that to declare it evidence that we're abandoning any section of our fanbase is a little premature. Particularly if it's in reaction to news that, well, is true of pretty much any DLC.

Looking forward to the content john. I really find it annoying when people just want an old game (DAO) to be refurbished in it's new iteration. It takes guts and hard work to try and get a franchise in a new direction, which you guys clearly did, and I am very happy about. Does DA2 have its flaws? it does, but I enjoy it. As do many other people. Im sure you guys are used to the criticism by now, even though it might still hurt. I say keep at it, and do your own thing. If you guys wanna reinvent something, please, surprise us. Just another clone game really isnt the direction I want to see either Mass effect or dragon age go in.

Are the 2nd games less RPG-ey? yes. Is that bad? no. If you want to play rpgs, there are a billion copies of the same game alle around the world, play those. I for one think you guys succeed immensely at melding rpg and action. Keep up the good work.

just... no more recycling please take your time

"Old" game?  It's not like DA:O is 15 years old.  It is a critically acclaimed RPG that was Bioware's best-selling game to date.

Bioware/EA's "new direction" with DA2 meant going for the CoD crowd by making an action RPG that tanked after the first week.

[hoorayforicecream]

happy_daiz wrote...

I really like seeing my own username, j/k. Actually, I'll be signing off here in about 5 minutes, so you won't see me again until tomorrow. 

I'm trying to figure out why reactions to DA2 are so polarized. What you perceive as me defending BW is me playing devil's advocate.

Edit: I think the experience for players is different on each platform, and I'm curious if that is related to the issues people have with this game, or if it's a nostalgia/expectation thing, or what. Sadly, I try hard to be a fixer, but it doesn't always work out for me.

It's polarizing because it's pretty radically different from its predecessor, and a lot of people really, really liked the old one and wanted more of it, while DA2 went in a different direction. A lot of folks really wanted to like DA2, and didn't for a variety of reasons, and that's spurred them to keep bashing the game on a daily (or even hourly!) basis 4 months after release. And the more vocal of them can't see why anyone would like it.

On the other side, there are those who did like it, and still do, and they don't like being told that they shouldn't like the game they actually do enjoy.  It's natural for those folks to take umbrage at being told that what they like sucks, and that they suck for liking it.

And there are really very few moderates left, because they automatically get perceived as belonging to one camp or another by the opposition, and many, many of the louder proponents simply aren't interested in discussion anymore, and instead reduce the argument to shouting down any opposition instead of actual discussion.  I'm sure you've seen some of that on the forum.

It's really weird, because many of the haters seem to think that they are the ones in the vast majority, and that the DLC should be catering to them to beg for their forgiveness and win them back. Clearly, the DLC is aimed at people who enjoyed DA2 (because hey, bird in hand is worth two in the bush), but that doesn't mean that they didn't try to address the issues they felt needed improvement that they could within the context of a DLC. I don't think anyone believes DA2 is a perfect game, but neither do I think it's as bad as the haters make it out to be.

[DraCZeQQ]

MrCry0 wrote...

Are the 2nd games less RPG-ey? yes. Is that bad? no. 

Is 2nd game rushed, mass-recycled, with ton of plotholes, missing logical consistency and butchering own lore? yes. Is THAT bad? yes.

Modifié par DraCZeQQ, 20 juillet 2011 - 10:33 .

[tez19]

OP just joined today, Dismiss thread.

[Morroian]

Atakuma wrote...

What exactly were you expecting? If you thought they would radically alter the gameplay for a couple of hours worth of content, then you don't have a firm grasp on reality.

This.

And here we go again taking an interview from Bioware and making wildly uninformed innacurate conclusions about what is actually said as an excuse to bash Bioware..

Modifié par Morroian, 20 juillet 2011 - 11:21 .

[Morroian]

WilliamShatner wrote...

“For sure there are certain people who probably wanted Origins 2 with Dragon Age 2; we did not go in that direction,” Melo adds. “This DLC is not going to solve that for them.”

I like how this implies that the people who wanted DA:O2 are a distinct minority when reality they are the vast majority. 

Hmm so you're saying Bioware are correct in saying that the majority of those who are critical of DA2 are those who cannot accept change.

Merilsell wrote...

Ah, yes there is a DLC coming soon. Already have forgotten that *shrugs indifferently*

Yet you feel compelled to read and post.

Frybread76 wrote...

"Old" game?  It's not like DA:O is 15 years old.  It is a critically acclaimed RPG that was Bioware's best-selling game to date.

There's actually no evidence to back that up and quite a lot of contradictory statements around about the actual extent of the sales for the various Biwoare titles.

Modifié par Morroian, 20 juillet 2011 - 11:15 .

[Xewaka]

Morroian wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...

“For sure there are certain people who probably wanted Origins 2 with Dragon Age 2; we did not go in that direction,” Melo adds. “This DLC is not going to solve that for them.”

I like how this implies that the people who wanted DA:O2 are a distinct minority when reality they are the vast majority.

Hmm so you're saying Bioware are correct in saying that the majority of those who are critical of DA2 are those who cannot accept change.

Change for the sake of change is useless. Change for the sake of improvement is welcome, but the modifications of DA 2 from DA:O are, at best, zero-sum. And most of them were unneeded or poorly handled.

Modifié par Xewaka, 20 juillet 2011 - 11:24 .

[Tommy6860]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

happy_daiz wrote...

I really like seeing my own username, j/k. Actually, I'll be signing off here in about 5 minutes, so you won't see me again until tomorrow. 

I'm trying to figure out why reactions to DA2 are so polarized. What you perceive as me defending BW is me playing devil's advocate.

Edit: I think the experience for players is different on each platform, and I'm curious if that is related to the issues people have with this game, or if it's a nostalgia/expectation thing, or what. Sadly, I try hard to be a fixer, but it doesn't always work out for me.

It's polarizing because it's pretty radically different from its predecessor, and a lot of people really, really liked the old one and wanted more of it, while DA2 went in a different direction. A lot of folks really wanted to like DA2, and didn't for a variety of reasons, and that's spurred them to keep bashing the game on a daily (or even hourly!) basis 4 months after release. And the more vocal of them can't see why anyone would like it.

On the other side, there are those who did like it, and still do, and they don't like being told that they shouldn't like the game they actually do enjoy.  It's natural for those folks to take umbrage at being told that what they like sucks, and that they suck for liking it.

And there are really very few moderates left, because they automatically get perceived as belonging to one camp or another by the opposition, and many, many of the louder proponents simply aren't interested in discussion anymore, and instead reduce the argument to shouting down any opposition instead of actual discussion.  I'm sure you've seen some of that on the forum.

It's really weird, because many of the haters seem to think that they are the ones in the vast majority, and that the DLC should be catering to them to beg for their forgiveness and win them back. Clearly, the DLC is aimed at people who enjoyed DA2 (because hey, bird in hand is worth two in the bush), but that doesn't mean that they didn't try to address the issues they felt needed improvement that they could within the context of a DLC. I don't think anyone believes DA2 is a perfect game, but neither do I think it's as bad as the haters make it out to be.

This^ so much, and great post hooray! I did not hate DA2, it wasn't a bad game, it just doesn't fit my style of an RPG. This is exactly the thinking approach I would expect from any one who reasons why they like what they do and what they do not.

[ItsTheTruth]

“For
sure there are certain people who probably wanted Origins 2 with Dragon
Age 2; we did not go in that direction,” Melo adds. “This DLC is not
going to solve that for them.”

This PR line that they have been told to repeat ad nauseam at the moment is even dumber than "button awesome" or "fight like a Spartan". Well,  people did expect a game called Dragon Age 2 to be a legitimate sequel to DA:O instead of some crappy Dynasty Warriors clone, duh. If they were so proud their fancy "innovations" why not start a new franchise around Hawke-some instead of calling it Dragon Age 2.

[Frybread76]

Morroian wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...

“For sure there are certain people who probably wanted Origins 2 with Dragon Age 2; we did not go in that direction,” Melo adds. “This DLC is not going to solve that for them.”

I like how this implies that the people who wanted DA:O2 are a distinct minority when reality they are the vast majority. 

Hmm so you're saying Bioware are correct in saying that the majority of those who are critical of DA2 are those who cannot accept change.

Merilsell wrote...

Ah, yes there is a DLC coming soon. Already have forgotten that *shrugs indifferently*

Yet you feel compelled to read and post.

Frybread76 wrote...

"Old" game?  It's not like DA:O is 15 years old.  It is a critically acclaimed RPG that was Bioware's best-selling game to date.

There's actually no evidence to back that up and quite a lot of contradictory statements around about the actual extent of the sales for the various Biwoare titles.

No evidence?  Or no evidence that you are willing to accept?  There is a difference.

[Kimberly Shaw]

Faster combat is great to me. Waves and exploding blood bags and enemies dropping from the sky are horrible horrible horrible and it is MIND BOGGLING that your studio ever had them make it to production. You were aiming for some sort of adolescent audience (the FPS/COD audience if interviews are correct) and failed.

The voiced protaganist is okay, the only reason it isn't the best is because it limits the choices and reactions you can have to any number of situations and branches by the resource constraint (both financial cost to have voice actors record so many lines and disc space for all the lines). One day computers will be able to do capable voice acting and generate speech that will remove those limitations. One day...

The Art Direction...I really liked the style of Origins better, even though the graphics may be better with DA2...I like everything better in Origins. Especially the elves and darkspawn.

The DLC seems to be a step in the right direction. I hope it's good, even though I think I'm done with DA until DA3 (replaying Origins tho!)

Modifié par Kimberly Shaw, 20 juillet 2011 - 11:52 .

[Firky]

You know what? Amen to this. "At the end of the day, right now that is our audience. There are a lot of people who enjoyed DA2 and they’re looking for more content, and that is the primary audience for this."

You know why? This statement legitimizes the fact that it it is OK to enjoy DA2 and think it is a great game. With much of the discourse surrounding DA2, you'd sometimes think enjoying DA2 is a crime against Dragon Age, RPGs, gaming etc.

Sure, fans of the series are important, the RPG genre is something we all care about, and if they address criticisms in DA3, good-o, but hooray for being recognized as a legitimate audience in the meantime.

Modifié par Firky, 21 juillet 2011 - 12:07 .