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[ubermensch007]

100k wrote...

The best [most skilled and experienced] fighters in the galaxy in my opinion are Nihilus, Saren, Wrex, and Zaeed. Shepard comes in after them -- but has better innovative skills, youth, and charisma.

I'm not afraid to admit that my Shepard's aren't perfect.

Nihilus was a fool... <_< That knucklehead would more than likely still be alive today.If he didn't try to showboat when he was working with Shepard.Talking about "I travel faster alone.You'll just slow me down." Blah blah blah... Had he had Shepard and Kaidan by his side.They would have watched his back and Saren would have never gotten the drop on Nihilus and killed him.

Saren does have some skill.He is highly self motivated and resourceful.(But Tela Vasir impressed me more, personally...) But Saren Arterius suffered from what I like to call: "A Prometheus Complex"

If you've read Mass Efeect: Revelation.Than you know that after Saren first encounters Soveriegn, he thinks of using this super dreadnought to elevate his race above all others.Kind of akin to how the Titan God Prometheus elevated the human race above all other species...And both of them suffered greatly for what they did...

Wrex: has "been there and done that" but tagging along with Shepard gave even him; some new experience.

Zaeed may have killed many Cerberus operatives and done wetwork for the highest bidders.But one thing you leave out of this equation is this:

For all these characters supposed greater skill and experience than Commander Shepard...

Shepard is MORE ACCOMPLISHED than all of them combined! What Shepard acheives in 2183 and 2185 is a level of kleos that is not soon to be rivaled...

Shepard has saved what - Four off-world colonies. Elysiam (If your Shepard is a war hero) , Eden Prime, Bring Down the Sky (Terra Nova), N7: Javelin Missiles Launched... He has taken out more geth than anyone else has.Probably more Mercs too.Definetly hurt those organizations greatly.The Blue Suns, Eclipse and Blood Pack.Prevented a Digtial Apocalpse: Project Overlord, Took down the Shadow Broker, while others just did his bidding or had an unsteady alliance with him...

Shepard is not only the Captain of the most advanced warship in the Alliance Navy.He is more than just the first human Spectre or Hero of the Battle of the Citadel.He has the distinct honor of being the only Starship Captain to ever successfully navigate through the Omega 4 Relay and return.That is one for the History books - 4 sure...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...I'd love to take you up on the thing about Jacob whereever you posted that. Not here though.

Well it was originally posted in The Good Stuff (3.0) Official Jacob Taylor Fan Thread So you might not get a warm reception there if you start dissing J.T. But I would like to hear what you dislike about Mr.Taylor...

Modifié par ubermensch007, 14 septembre 2011 - 03:00 .

[100k]

ubermensch007 wrote...
Nihilus was a fool... <_< That knucklehead would more than likely still be alive today.If he didn't try to showboat when he was working with Shepard.Talking about "I travel faster alone.You'll just slow me down." Blah blah blah... Had he had Shepard and Kaidan by his side.They would have watched his back and Saren would have never gotten the drop on Nihilus and killed him.

I retract Nihilus because he wasn't quite as skilled as Samara (who is slightly less skilled -- but more experienced -- than Shepard).

Saren does have some skill.He is highly self motivated and resourceful.But Tela Vasir impressed me more.

Saren is the only one to beat Shepard visually and on screen. On Virmire he and Shepard come to a slight stale-mate, with Saren taking the edge.

Wrex: has "been there and done that" but tagging along with Shepard gave even him some new experience.

Agreed.

Zaeed may have killed many Cerberus operatives and done wetwork for the highest bidders.But one thing you leave out of this equation is this:

For all these characters supposed greater skill and experience than Commander Shepard...

Shepard is MORE ACCOMPLISHED than all of them combined! What Shepard acheives in 2183 and 2185 is a level of kleos that is not soon to be rivaled...

Shepard has saved what - Four off-world colonies. Elysiam, Eden Prime, Bring Down the Sky (Terra Nova), N7: Javelin Missiles Launched... He has taken out more geth than anyone else has.Probably more Mercs too.Prevented a Digtial Apocalpse: Project Overlord, Took down the Shadow Broker, while others just did his bidding...Shepard is not only the Captain of the most advanced warship in the Alliance Navy.He is more than just the first human Spectre or Hero of the Battle of the Citadel.He has the distinct honor of being the only Starship Captain to ever successfully navigate through the Omega 4 Relay and return.That is one for the History books - 4 sure...

Almost all of these events can't be 100% attributed to Shepard. Except for Elysium, Shepard had help from exceptionable people assisting him -- Wrex and Zaeed included.

Here's my revised list.

1. Saren.
2. Wrex.
3. Zaeed + Shepard.
4. Samara + Nihilus + Aria.
5. Garrus + Benezia
6. Vasir + Thane
7. Jacob

*disclaimer*

I am not saying that Thane couldn't kill Saren or Shepard, or whoever. I am not saying that Jacob is a terrible fighter. I am saying that, in clear cut combat situations -- like an arena fight -- this is how the characters stack up. Outside of this arena situation, Thane would probably kill everyone on this list.

[ubermensch007]

Yeah Thane Krios is sort of bad-assness personified. His screen time during the Cinematic Trailer for Mass Effect 2.Was like the best stuff about it.

But how can you not have Grunt on your list or Miranda? They're both super versions of their race.

And less I forget: Subject Zero - Jack... She is a defintite "Big Things Poppin - And Little Things Stoppin" sort of person...



But back to this thing about "expeirence" That is an interesting word.Because Shep sort of steps into much uncharted territory in the story of Mass Effect.So I do not know if it's fair to say that other people would have been able to deal with what he does, better than him, on account of their previous "expeirence". At least that's what it seems like the conclusion that one could make from what your saying, I guess...

Modifié par ubermensch007, 14 septembre 2011 - 03:29 .

[100k]

ubermensch007 wrote...

Yeah Thane Krios is bad-assness personified.But how can you not have Grunt on your list or Miranda.They're both super versions of their race.

And less I forget: Subject Zero - Jack... She is a defintite

Grunt doesn't make it onto my list yet. He's probably got accuracy to match Zaeed, and the hit-taking ability of Wrex or Garrus, but he's far too predictable. On the flip side, he can deconstruct and reconstruct almost any threat he comes across via the training in his blood, but as such, I still tie him with Miranda, Ash, Kaiden, and Liara.

Jack isn't on the list becuase, for all her power, she's sloppy, has been caught and overpowered (by bounty hunters) a few times, and is (as noted by the SB) too predictable. She may have the biotic strength of Benezia, but experience > crazed rage.

Tali, Kasumi and Mordin don't make it onto the list because their military training is based more on field-innovation than actual firearm and CQC combat. That being said, I doubt anyone but Thane would want to risk a game of cat and mouse with Kasumi.

Legion is anyone's guess. In a sniping match he's probably better than even Thane and Garrus, but in most combat situations he'd likely get taken down on the basis of having a becon posted to his head. In CQC though, he's probably a monster, combining the strength of a turian with the speed of a drell + duratability of a krogan.

[KyreneZA]

Wow, did I just step into the wrong thread here? I though this was about Shepard? Take your arguments to PM guys/gals.

[Sialater]

Exactly... and now.. back to Shepard.


One of my favorite shots of Meghan.

[Weyrloc Guld]

@Werloyc Guld: I'm sorry but... What do you mean,"HE"S LUCK AND HE HAS GOOD SHOOT" ? Do you mean to say that Shepard is good with a gun? Is that what your saying here? And to try to pass off all that Shepard accomplishes in just Mass Effect 1 alone.Off as nothing more than "luck' is pretty damn insulting <_<

Shepard Commander is one of the bravest people that I have ever seen.For him: Failure is not an option.He is tenacious, persistent, unrelenting, and other things could be said - about the qualities that Shep has that makes him so good at "Doing... Whatever it is.He does." As Shiala puts it

I forgot to tell that he has an epic armor with indestructible shield and great companions.

However, you have your opinion and i have mine. 

[Weyrloc Guld]

Kyrene wrote...

Wow, did I just step into the wrong thread here? I though this was about Shepard? Take your arguments to PM guys/gals.

We was talking about Shepard. Did you read the "our arguments"?

[100k]

Weyrloc Guld wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

Wow, did I just step into the wrong thread here? I though this was about Shepard? Take your arguments to PM guys/gals.

We was talking about Shepard. Did you read the "our arguments"?

Just ignore these people. They follow the "too long did not read" trend.

[Lucky Thirteen]

....to the disguised ****** for peoples favorite supporting characters.

I think Shepard is the biggest Mary Sue/Sam in gaming history, and that's what is contributing to her/his success. You can play the game to limit the mary sue/sam, but I'm sorry it's still there. I've always thought it was ridiculous how Shepard becomes a Spectre. I feel like it should have been much more difficult. Considering the Council is so reluctant in everything else, why would they just hand over so much power to someone, a human, they have so much trouble trusting and barely know beyond word of mouth and some official documents from more humans. Nihilus was suppose to give some non-biased/non-human/true Spectre worth opinion on Shepard after all.

Again, I think that's what contributes to Shepard's success. Shepard is everyone's personal hero they get to play as and do what they want with. People can self insert or take the RPG part seriously or whatever. Of course, previous RPGs have allowed a person to play the hero and be who they want. People have become attached to those characters, but I think the level of attachment is far less when compared to what people seem to show for their Shepard. Other games in recent years have introduced a voice RPG protagonist in response to Mass Effects success. However, these other RPG heroes have yet to create the same charm and attraction that Shepard creates for the player. The princess/prince of Fable III for example. I think the closest is Hawke, but he/she is from the same game company, which just shows Bioware's talent and lead in the industry.

[Tup3x]

Today's pic spam incoming.

By the way, I recorded some Garrus recruitment mission cut-scenes (1080p). Renegade interrupts and some Garrus stuff.

[raziel1980]

Tup3xi wrote...

Today's pic spam incoming.

By the way, I recorded some Garrus recruitment mission cut-scenes (1080p). Renegade interrupts and some Garrus stuff.

I love that shot...during that mission...ME 2 definetely has some of the best screencap scenes of any games I've ever played and btw... your shep is cute!

I will post some new screenies of Gianna later when I get home from work...

[Tup3x]

^^Yeah. Cute? Well, I quess that is obvious advantage for distracting enemies.

Modifié par Tup3xi, 14 septembre 2011 - 04:28 .

[Xeranx]

100k wrote...

The best [most skilled and experienced] fighters in the galaxy in my opinion are Nihilus, Saren, Wrex, and Zaeed. Shepard comes in after them -- but has better innovative skills, youth, and charisma.

I'm not afraid to admit that my Shepard's aren't perfect.

What about Ashley?

[raziel1980]

Tup3xi wrote...

^^Yeah. Cute? Well, I quess that is obvious advantage for distracting enemies.

Unless your facing asari commandos...then they may have the advantage...

[Tup3x]

Hmmm... Maybe.

[100k]

Xeranx wrote...

100k wrote...

The best [most skilled and experienced] fighters in the galaxy in my opinion are Nihilus, Saren, Wrex, and Zaeed. Shepard comes in after them -- but has better innovative skills, youth, and charisma.

I'm not afraid to admit that my Shepard's aren't perfect.

What about Ashley?

In ME1 I'd say she has the skills of an extremely high ranking operative. I'd put her just behind Garrus in terms of talent, experience, and skill. But with her new Spectre status she might be an even better fighter than Garrus--

Okay, lets try this again.

7. Jacob + Ash
8. Miranda + Liara
9. Grunt.


I put Ash over Miranda because even though Miranda has biotics in addition to excessive training, Ash still seems to be able to carry heavier weapons, and has more armor.

Modifié par 100k, 14 septembre 2011 - 05:55 .

[ubermensch007]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

I think Shepard is the biggest Mary Sue/Sam in gaming history, and that's what is contributing to her/his success. You can play the game to limit the mary sue/sam, but I'm sorry it's still there.

Ah yes, the Shep hate continues... In a thread that's suppose to be for people who like or love the character <_<

You know what... Rodney Mckay was a Mary Sue on Stargate Atlantis.

Samantha Carter cames close at times to being one on Stargate - SG1.

People call Kahlee Sanders a "Mary Sue" . From what I've read in the novels.I don't understand why some say this about her. What? So because she is attractive, accomplished and is wiling to do violence if it is required.That makes her unbelievable!? If that's the case than I guess Miranda, Tali, Jack and Samara and Kasumi are all Mary Sue's too.

I'm not a big fan of that label anyway.At times I think that the only sort of person who calls someone a Mary Sue...

You know what a Mary Sue is? A word used by medicore people, about their betters.

Commander Shepard is only as good or bad as the player is.In a previous post in this thread I stated how Shepard can be mediocre or extrodinary.I chose the latter.So... What your essentially saying is that hardcore gamers or completionist Shepard's and they themselves are Mary Sue's?


My Shepard is AWESOME:

Modifié par ubermensch007, 14 septembre 2011 - 07:01 .

[Lucky Thirteen]

I think there is a misunderstanding here ubermensch007. I did not mean that as a hate comment. I mean it as an explanation to Shepard's successful popularity among players. A mary sue type character when done right, when written and played across the plot right can be a very good thing. And yeah, I think many of the supporting character have many mary sue like traits. Shepard is just the heavy weight.

Please refrain from insults to a real person's character who you don't know simply because you disagree.

[Graceyn]

Words....internet hate....someone is wrong on the internet....wait, what were we talking about? That's right, Shepard love!  I love my Shepard very much; well, I love all my Shepards, but I love this one most of all:

Modifié par Graceyn, 14 septembre 2011 - 06:56 .

[ubermensch007]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

I think there is a misunderstanding here ubermensch007. I did not mean that as a hate comment. I mean it as an explanation to Shepard's successful popularity among players. A mary sue type character when done right, when written and played across the plot right can be a very good thing. And yeah, I think many of the supporting character have many mary sue like traits. Shepard is just the heavy weight.

Please refrain from insults to a real person's character who you don't know simply because you disagree.

I meant no offense.Apologies if you felt that I personally insulted you.

[FireEye]

ubermensch007 wrote...

Commander Shepard is only as good or bad as the player is.In a previous post in this thread I stated how Shepard can be mediocre or extrodinary.I chose the latter.So... What your essentially saying is that hardcore gamers or completionist Shepard's and they themselves are Mary Sue's?

I consider myself a good gamer on a technical level (both Mass Effects on Insanity are pretty easy, to my gaming experience), and a decent roleplayer.  I've obsessively completed all the side quests in the games, multiple times.  I still consider my Shepard to not be "the best" soldier in the Galaxy.  For example:


Among other things, "Good Soldiers" don't bang their subordinates. 

I'll happily take your "mediocre". 

[raziel1980]

Hereare a few more of Gianna Shepard...









Edit: another one( dealing with the coversation of Garrus' reach n Gianna's flexibility...rotflmao)

Modifié par raziel1980, 15 septembre 2011 - 01:21 .

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Infinite supply of helmsmen/women about.    Row, row, row (Raaaa-oooow) for the shore, folks. *ducks*

Returning you to your fav channel.   Don't mind me, I got up on the wrong side of the bed today.

Modifié par Obsidian Gryphon, 15 septembre 2011 - 01:36 .

[Xeranx]

Madhuri Shepard