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[ADLegend21]

in the epilogue,if there is one, but as of now, not on his life. he's a squad leader at best.

[tobynator89]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

It wasn't a lack of dedication. He was tired of the red tape. And besides, Shepard can become a Spectre again, even though he works with a terrorist group.

Shepard technically never quit. just persumed KIA.

and Red tape? in the spectres? that sounds like a very poor excuse to me rather than a reason to quit. And again spending a year in a foreign system shooting up mercs just because he wanted to won't do him any favors if he ever reapplied.

[alperez]

Garrus/Shepard always seemed similar to Spock/Kirk imo.

While Garrus has all the tools needed to be a leader (and proved it somewhat in me2) he acheives more when Shepard is around than he does without Shepard. I think the ideal scenario would be Garrus filling the same role as he previously has but at the end of me3 to have the opportunity to prove himself as his own man.

Something like when we save the turians (assuming something like that may happen) Shepard getting credit for it but saying something like "Garrus is the one you should be thanking, without him i couldn't have done anything" thereby showing Garrus how highly Shepard thinks of him and giving Garrus the confidence to be all he can be.

[CrazyRah]

Garrus got the leadership skills needed to be a high ranked officer but he can only reach his best when he steps out of Shepard's shadow. Garrus did a lot of great stuff with his team on Omega and i belive he's ready to lead bigger groups then that.

[Mims]

No specter. Garrus quit, twice if renegade. You don't need to be a specter to be a cool badass, and if you give out too many of those badges it starts to get silly. Ideally, Garrus will either stay as Shepard second, or 'graduate' to some kind of leadership role during ME3.

The problem with Garrus as a leader unto himself [at the moment], is that he never really thinks of things long term. He's concerned about solving a problem, right now, and doing what's right. That's why you get him wanting to blow up a ship without considering the collateral damage, or running a gang on omega with no contingency plan if someone is compromised. [And honestly, on Omega it should have been a given.] He's clearly charismatic and willful enough to run a group, but he needs to be less impulsive to do Shepard's job. Even though renegade Shepard can be a bit chaotic stupid, he's still clearly intuitive and thinking about what can benefit him.

He benefits from Shepard dealing with red tape, and also taking the emotional brunt of things. I think he can definitely grow to be a leader comparable with Shepard... but there's no shame in being the world's best second either. If Garrus helps Shepard do what Shepard needs to do, he's not invaluable or wasting his life.

[mineralica]

Garrus seems too hothead and rebel for me. He's excellent in tactical work, in interacting with squad, but his ability to correctly point objectives for named squad still needs polishing.

I see how Garrus helps protecting civilians and fighting marauders in the mess left after Reapers invasion, learns to pick more sensible goals and finally becoming SpeCTRe/high ranked officer of turian military later, though. Later.

EDIT: btw if considering all squadmates as potential SpeCTRe candidates, my first vote will be Wrex - combination of excellent long-term planning, tactical knowledge when to suggest to eat opponent and when to step back and badassery in combat. And I so want to see turian Councilor face while appointing first Krogan SpeCTRe:P

Modifié par mineralica, 20 juillet 2011 - 07:12 .

[ThatDancingTurian]

Let's just be clear here. What he quit if you renegaded him was Spectre training, not being an actual Spectre. Who knows how the Spectre training program works. You could be able to go through the whole training program with no guarantee of becoming a Spectre, while Shepard went through no such training and still became a Spectre. We have no idea how that training impacts his chances towards becoming a Spectre.

And his being considered for training in his younger years and not pursuing it doesn't count as 'quitting', either. So if you Paragon him, it's not even an issue.

Personally, I don't think him quitting makes a lot of sense. I think they wrote it from the perspective of him rejoining and then quitting C-Sec, and then used the same excuse for the Spectre training instead of just admitting that the conversation choices didn't matter and having him go back to C-Sec regardless.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 20 juillet 2011 - 07:11 .

[Sshodan]

Garris is my perfect second in command and I'm not letting him go! He is tactically brilliant, capable and intelligent and Shep needs someone like that on the team.
What I want to see in ME3 is more opportunities for Shep to delegate leadership tasks the way it was done on the suicide mission - this way Garrus gets to shine on his own without actually living Shpes side.

[whywhywhywhy]

If Ashley who failed on Eden and Horizon got a promotion to spectre then Garrus more then qualifies. He was able to keep three Omega gangs in check with his squad of twelve(?) or was it 10 ? Anyway he only fell to betrayal and betrayal from one you trust can cause anyone to fall. He should be made into a Spectre imo, he has more credentials then Ashley. Also he was a candidate(1 of 1000 I think) already but his father diswayed him from continuing.

[outmane]

Sshodan wrote...

Garris is my perfect second in command and I'm not letting him go! He is tactically brilliant, capable and intelligent and Shep needs someone like that on the team.
What I want to see in ME3 is more opportunities for Shep to delegate leadership tasks the way it was done on the suicide mission - this way Garrus gets to shine on his own without actually living Shpes side.

I kinda like this idea too. Whats so wrong with Garrus working with Shepard? They do great together, know how each other work, etc. Garrus makes an excellent second for Shepard and hes not afraid to speak his mind and give advice. If Garrus wants his own team thats cool, but if he prefers to team up, im sure they can be pretty efficient and actually have a good time while working together. They can both be Spectres and still work together most of the time. Its not written that Spectres HAVE to be the typical Lone Wolf even if thats what we saw from most of them.

[KJandrew]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

If Ashley who failed on Eden and Horizon got a promotion to spectre then Garrus more then qualifies. He was able to keep three Omega gangs in check with his squad of twelve(?) or was it 10 ?

He had ten men. So it was a squad of 11 in total

[Turian-Garrus92]

Well considering that Kaidan/Ashley become Spectres i thin kit would be fair for Garrus Vakarian to be a Spectre aswell, he of all people deserve it...

Garrus for Spectre Status...

[mineralica]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

If Ashley who failed on Eden and Horizon got a promotion to spectre then Garrus more then qualifies. He was able to keep three Omega gangs in check with his squad of twelve(?) or was it 10 ? Anyway he only fell to betrayal and betrayal from one you trust can cause anyone to fall. He should be made into a Spectre imo, he has more credentials then Ashley. Also he was a candidate(1 of 1000 I think) already but his father diswayed him from continuing.

If I remember correctly, Garrus says something like "ten good guys died and this Sidonis still lives" somewhere before his LM. So it was squad of twelve if Garrus counts.
And about Ashley. No way she could foresee geth attack on Eden Prime (the odds of losing her squad is still open), no way she could do something against Collectors' stasis field. Garrus is a bit different tune - he must be totally aware of how many chances he has when going to Omega and becoming a vigilante. He must understand that his squad will get all possible pressure mercs could provide - and "forcing to betray you friends" sounds as one of top from this list, as for me.

But I think the main reason VS becoming a SpeCTRe and Garrus not is policy. Humanity as council race needs in own SpeCTRe because their previous one now works with terrorists. Hierarchy obviously has large portion of 100 existing SpeCTRes. Humanity has nice loyal soldier who supports the Alliance despite being L2/devoted to Alliance despite being in the black list because of grandfather. Hierarchy has a vigilante while their most famous operative [nearly]wiped out council - I bet they will think many times before recruiting another very independently thinking agent. Humanity can control VS because s/he's still in their military. Hierarchy has Garrus who isn't directly follows their orders during considered events and works on a ship which can turn stealth mode on and disappear really fast while saying trademark "Joker, lose this channel".

[AquamanOS]

Garrus quit C-sec and basically ditched Council space to play vigilante.

Under Turian rules, he'll never be a Spectre after that, no matter how good he is. Turian's are big on rules and regulations, and Garrus basically broke all of them.

[Destroy Raiden_]

I would prefer neither though if I had to pick between those two I'd say spector then BW won't have to waste the title on the VS who would only receive that for political reasons.

[Major Tao]

alperez wrote...

Garrus/Shepard always seemed similar to Spock/Kirk imo.

While Garrus has all the tools needed to be a leader (and proved it somewhat in me2) he acheives more when Shepard is around than he does without Shepard. I think the ideal scenario would be Garrus filling the same role as he previously has but at the end of me3 to have the opportunity to prove himself as his own man.

Something like when we save the turians (assuming something like that may happen) Shepard getting credit for it but saying something like "Garrus is the one you should be thanking, without him i couldn't have done anything" thereby showing Garrus how highly Shepard thinks of him and giving Garrus the confidence to be all he can be.

I'm in agreement with alperez on this one....Garrus has incredible abilities and has proven he can take on formidable challenges. 

His confidence about his own leadership abilities were surely shaken to the core by losing his entire Omega team to a traitor, yet I believe that given new opportunities to lead - he will rebound ever stronger. 

Like many driven people - he is his own harshest critic.  Yes, he made mistakes, yet he achieved things people did not even think were possible.  I'd like to see Garrus entrusted with a mission he has to lead with his own chosen team - much like on the Collector Base Mission... so he can step out of Shepard's shadow. Perhaps Garrus's responsibilities will grow from there as the game progresses... ?   I'm sure we'll find out. 

Getting back to the original question... I believe Garrus will make an excellent Commander - in this emerging Grand Alliance.  I think even being a Spectre might grate on Garrus, because the Spectres are ultimately Agents of the Council - and with the Council being both unsupportive and overtly directive - that's still too much b.s. for "Mr. I DID IT MY WAY".....that being Garrus.  

I really dig Garrus as a character too.  He's got depth, relationships going on, pain, hurts, and charm too. 
What a Turian !   Glad he's on my Team ! 


And now...a scene between Garrus and Shepard...before a CONFRONTATION WITH THE REAPERS ! 
I Imagined this scene because - it feels realistic to imagine that people's fears will emerge about the challenges ahead.....
( Maybe this works better with Ms. Commander Shepard... but - it's your imagination - so it's up to YOU !  ) 
 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Scene:    At the Normandy Gunnery Station >


Garrus:   "So......Shepard,  - remember when we went up against Saren and Sovereign, killed their allies, defeated their plans and then Blew their Asses UP - all against INCREDIBLE odds ?" 


Shepard:    "Yup...I only remember it about ....THREE Times a Day now...."


Garrus:    .....And Then....well....THEN.....YOU DIED. ( !! )... CAME BACK FROM THE DEAD....( !!! ) ....Found me on Omega, - helped SAVE MY ASS...and then persuaded me to join you for a SUICIDE MISSION that even the Craziest Bastards in the Galaxy would be CRAZY to take - and THEN.....WE DID THE IMPOSSIBLE..( ! ) 
.. WE BEAT THE ENEMY AGAIN !!! 


Shepard:    "Uh....Yes..Garrus..."


Garrus:       "Well now buddy.....  - just between you and me...                       I'M FRACKIN' SCARED BY WHAT WE'RE UP AGAINST !" 


Shepard:   "Um....Should I do my "Inspirational Speech" NOW..... or would you rather I just tell you how I Trust you with my life and BELIEVE IN YOU.....and that WE'LL FIND A WAY ??? !!!



Garrus:     "Actually.... I'm looking for a hug."

Shepard:    "Okay..."       ( Hugs )



Garrus:     "All right...I feel a little better....... so NOW tell me all that inspirational stuff.... I think I need it !"
                    - Then I want a drink ! "

Shepard:    "First dozen are on me !" 

[darthnick427]

I personally think that your ME1 conversations should impact what happens to Garrus. If you were paragon in the conversations He becomes the new Executor of C-Sec. If you were Renegade, he becomes a spectre. This would have to happen in the epilogue tho.

[Patchwork]

Not in ME3 but if at the end you can personally recommend Garrus for something I'd rec him for Spectrehood.

Omega was Garrus' Blitz/Akuze/Torfan, the event which forces him to either become stronger or crumble.

[Bcuz]

 He certainly gets my vote for XO (killing off Miranda, heavy risk...)  but I don't think I'd want, or he'd want, to be Shepards equal in the chain of command.