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[marshalleck]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Hey look at all the insecure guys with small penises in this thread.

U mad?

Nope!

[Thrombin]

Quething wrote...
Also, I'd like to register that a) yes femShep is awesome, but it's kind of sad that in order to get a character like that, we still have to have one that's originally written as a man. (See also: the Alien franchise)

Why do you say it was originally written as a man? As a Bioware RPG it was inevitably going to be a role filled by either gender from the start.

It wasn't written to be a strong woman or a strong man it was just written to be a strong human being. Doesn't get more equal than that 

[Clonedzero]

Thrombin wrote...

Quething wrote...
Also, I'd like to register that a) yes femShep is awesome, but it's kind of sad that in order to get a character like that, we still have to have one that's originally written as a man. (See also: the Alien franchise)

Why do you say it was originally written as a man? As a Bioware RPG it was inevitably going to be a role filled by either gender from the start.

It wasn't written to be a strong woman or a strong man it was just written to be a strong human being. Doesn't get more equal than that 

see this dude gets it

[ME_Fan]

Okay, I don't really give a crap about this ancient... ahem 'debate', but what I do want to ask to the op is what exactly is the point of this thread? You left us with a link and a quote, nothing more.

Pointless thread is pointless.

[marshalleck]

ME_Fan wrote...

Okay, I don't really give a crap about this ancient... ahem 'debate', but what I do want to ask to the op is what exactly is the point of this thread? You left us with a link and a quote, nothing more.

Pointless thread is pointless.

It's choose your own adventure, bro. 

[Bocks]

Apparently Femshep is thought to be a believeable character.

Let me laugh a bit and leave this thread.

Modifié par Bocks, 20 juillet 2011 - 11:17 .

[Lucifer_Cheney]

Sora Shepard wrote...

http://www.cnn.com/2...i.fi.galactica/

""These [characters] were women who had grown up in a world where their expectations were equal to men... That right there, that's a big innovation. That's kind of magical and startling and huge."

Quoted for its harmlessness.

[Kakistos_]

Have you heard that FemShep will finally be included in marketing with a trailer? Some of you may indeed be tired of the shouting of "equality" but this in my opinion is a huge step in gaming and a boon for the 40% of gamers who happen to be women who have for years been ignored in marketing and misrepresented in many games. Any of you that consider yourselves gamers should appreciate that.

[Quething]

Clonedzero wrote...

you saying ashley isnt a strong female character?
or miranda?
or liara?
or jack?
ect. ect. ect.

You're familiar with the difference between "main" characters and "supporting" characters from a storytelling perspective, I hope. There's a significant difference in the cultural impact between the two as well.

shepard is written to be shepard.

Wrong. The game is written with Sheploo Soldier in mind, and then certain lines and conversations are altered from base in order to accomodate the possibility of playing femShep. (In ME1 a few lines were also altered from base in order to accomodate bioticShep, which I wish they'd do more of.)

If you claim otherwise, it's because you don't play femShep. Even a single playthrough watching your animations consistently fail to line up properly because they were all rigged on a different model is enough to prove the game wasn't designed around some imaginary genderless party.

Modifié par Quething, 20 juillet 2011 - 11:19 .

[PlumPaul93]

Femshep is hidden because Bioware hates her and doesn't think she exists

[Dave of Canada]

Quething wrote...

Even a single playthrough watching your animations consistently fail to line up properly because they were all rigged on a different model is enough to prove the game wasn't written for some imaginary gender-neutral party.

Every female character is rigged with the male model, it's for saving resources. It isn't some anti-FemShep agenda.

[Chaos-fusion]

Ah.. The gender thing again.

Suffice to say, FemShep is brilliant. Decent female characters are rare in games - one that is the main, playable character are rarer still. I don't care if she's basically the same as maleShep, I just see that as the world not caring that she's female - something alot of people now still can't get past (ie, go see any topic saying Shepherd shouldn't be female). She's just a person who could kick their arse, just like her male equivilent.

Modifié par Chaos-fusion, 20 juillet 2011 - 11:25 .

[Clonedzero]

Quething wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

you saying ashley isnt a strong female character?
or miranda?
or liara?
or jack?
ect. ect. ect.

You're familiar with the difference between "main" characters and "supporting" characters from a storytelling perspective, I hope. There's a significant difference in the cultural impact between the two as well.

shepard is written to be shepard.

Wrong. The game is written with Sheploo Soldier in mind, and then certain lines and conversations are altered from base in order to accomodate the possibility of playing femShep. (In ME1 a few lines were also altered from base in order to accomodate bioticShep, which I wish they'd do more of.)

If you claim otherwise, it's because you don't play femShep. Even a single playthrough watching your animations consistently fail to line up properly because they were all rigged on a different model is enough to prove the game wasn't written for some imaginary gender-neutral party.

animation isnt writing buddy

written with soldier in mind, not gender. try again....

and yes ive played femshep.

if you're trying to find examples of strong female characters in video games you shouldnt try and use characters who's gender is picked by the player, it COMPLETELY voids your entire argument thats all

ashley is a fantasticly written strong female character that still feels feminine and is a total badass. so use her as an example if you will, but shepard is genderless. thats true equality 

[Captain Crash]

Clonedzero wrote...

Thrombin wrote...

Quething wrote...
Also, I'd like to register that a) yes femShep is awesome, but it's kind of sad that in order to get a character like that, we still have to have one that's originally written as a man. (See also: the Alien franchise)

Why do you say it was originally written as a man? As a Bioware RPG it was inevitably going to be a role filled by either gender from the start.

It wasn't written to be a strong woman or a strong man it was just written to be a strong human being. Doesn't get more equal than that 

see this dude gets it

Your both 100% right.      Its unintentional what Bioware created, but there is more there now.


Thing is theres not many games out there which represent females in such an equal light. Their either overly sexualised or have another associated steriotype.   Thats why Mass Effect is special and why people have strong views about femshep and her role.  Having a woman on an equal footing to a male is unique in gaming.  Thus why theres so much talk about her 

Modifié par Captain Crash, 20 juillet 2011 - 11:25 .

[marshalleck]

So Bayonetta is a pretty cool guy am I right

[Lucifer_Cheney]

Kakistos_ wrote...

Have you heard that FemShep will finally be included in marketing with a trailer? Some of you may indeed be tired of the shouting of "equality" but this in my opinion is a huge step in gaming and a boon for the 40% of gamers who happen to be women who have for years been ignored in marketing and misrepresented in many games. Any of you that consider yourselves gamers should appreciate that.

No offense, but marketing a white female Shepard isn't necessarily innovative marketing. Market a game to the masses  with a  racial or ethnic minority lead character (male and/or female) in a non-cliche' or sterotypical role, then I'll start hazaaing! Not that I particularly care, just don't sell me this "equality" nonsense!

[Thrombin]

Quething wrote...
Wrong. The game is written with Sheploo Soldier in mind, and then certain lines and conversations are altered from base in order to accomodate the possibility of playing femShep. (In ME1 a few lines were also altered from base in order to accomodate bioticShep, which I wish they'd do more of.)

If you claim otherwise, it's because you don't play femShep. Even a single playthrough watching your animations consistently fail to line up properly because they were all rigged on a different model is enough to prove the game wasn't designed around some imaginary genderless party.

If by 'written' you mean the computer programming then, sure, but that's got nothing to do with who the story or dialogue was written for. It's just a practicality that they didn't have the time or resources to create two sets of animations. For the most part I never really noticed a problem.

All the dialogue is the same except for the parts where they reference gender specific stuff like the romances or the odd occasions when someone tries to hit on femshep. There's no indication whatsoever of which came first and I'm quite sure the story and dialogue was developed with both genders in mind from the start.

Regards

Julian

[Destroy Raiden_]

There are plenty female characters that are strong McFarlane from red dead redemption, Ash, Vasquez from Aliens, Ripley, Wynn, I don't cry myself to sleep because game A doesn't have a female for me to play as. If she's there it's nice but I could careless if I'm rpging a male or female protagonist. So fshep being the protagonist is nice but I'm not throwing a parade in her honor or anything.

[Seboist]

marshalleck wrote...

So Bayonetta is a pretty cool guy am I right

Bayonetta should have been femshep but killing husks with tempests strapped to her heels and killing Reapers with wicked weaves would have been too much awesome for one game.

[marshalleck]

Seboist wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

So Bayonetta is a pretty cool guy am I right

Bayonetta should have been femshep but killing husks with tempests strapped to her heels and killing Reapers with wicked weaves would have been too much awesome for one game.

I can see how that would probably cause an Xbox to melt down.

[Kakistos_]

Lucifer_Cheney wrote...

Kakistos_ wrote...

Have you heard that FemShep will finally be included in marketing with a trailer? Some of you may indeed be tired of the shouting of "equality" but this in my opinion is a huge step in gaming and a boon for the 40% of gamers who happen to be women who have for years been ignored in marketing and misrepresented in many games. Any of you that consider yourselves gamers should appreciate that.

No offense, but marketing a white female Shepard isn't necessarily innovative marketing. Market a game to the masses  with a  racial or ethnic minority lead character (male and/or female) in a non-cliche' or sterotypical role, then I'll start hazaaing! Not that I particularly care, just don't sell me this "equality" nonsense!

After years of nothing it is a step in the right direction. Most people, including myself, didn't even know gender was an option for the ME series until they began playing. It is even difficult to find this information in the main site. Dragon age had the same issue.

[Destroy Raiden_]

Quething wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

you saying ashley isnt a strong female character?
or miranda?
or liara?
or jack?
ect. ect. ect.

You're familiar with the difference between "main" characters and "supporting" characters from a storytelling perspective, I hope. There's a significant difference in the cultural impact between the two as well.

shepard is written to be shepard.

Wrong. The game is written with Sheploo Soldier in mind, and then certain lines and conversations are altered from base in order to accomodate the possibility of playing femShep. (In ME1 a few lines were also altered from base in order to accomodate bioticShep, which I wish they'd do more of.)

If you claim otherwise, it's because you don't play femShep. Even a single playthrough watching your animations consistently fail to line up properly because they were all rigged on a different model is enough to prove the game wasn't designed around some imaginary genderless party.

Yeah I tried saying something similar and a fire storm ensued the game like fable was written with male lead in mind when the female aspect was latter added a few tweaks here and there but basically she is still mshep. It's worse in fable where the girl will fart and pelvic thrust just as the man would. Though on a change note I'd like to see fshep run, sprint, and walk like she did in ME right now for 2 I can say she's hurt and forgive the football jog but hopefully it's gone for 3 for her.