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[Ace Attorney]

kglaser wrote...

Why?

Because Jennifer Hale can out-act Mark Meer any day of the week. That's why. Case closed.

Jennifer isn't the voice goddess many claim here.

[DonDaMon]

hale is too over the top
no soldier should ever put that much emotion when speaking
melo drama is what femshep brings
sheplo sounds calculated and calm by comparison

[ladyvader]

DonDaMon wrote...

being 100% honest
if femshep was removed hardly any one would care
she doesnt matter because she is simply an off shoot of sheploo
male shep is the protagonist
no sexism
deal with it

Actually if no femShep than I wouldn't have have finished Eden Prime.  It was Jennifer Hale's VA that got me to love the first game.  The rest is history. 

[KainrycKarr]

DonDaMon wrote...

being 100% honest
if femshep was removed hardly any one would care
she doesnt matter because she is simply an off shoot of sheploo
male shep is the protagonist
no sexism
deal with it

Male nor female Shep are the protagonist.

Shepard is the protagonist. You sound like an idiot.

[Pordis Shepard]

It saddens me the attitudes I'm seeing here about female "roles"...is that really how you guys want your daughters to be treated when you have some?

[Ace Attorney]

Fiddles_stix wrote...

Massadonious1 wrote...

I bet Wonder Woman can make a mean sandwich.

Nah Superman loves his kitchen.

Your avatar doesn't help your point, hehehe.

[Siansonea]

You know, sometimes being a woman is like being in a room with a one-way mirror. We can see what's on our side, we can see through it, and we can see the guy on the other side, but all he can see is his own reflection. Thankfully, not all males are like this, but far too many of them are.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 21 juillet 2011 - 04:12 .

[Boiny Bunny]

Does anybody remember Perfect Dark (the original N64 one)? That's a great example of a game with a fixed female main character, which rated and sold outstandingly (especially given it's a part of the FPS genre). Joanna Dark never ever wore skimpy outfits, nor acted like a bimbo. There was no male lead character to 'save the day' for her. And it was as simple as that. They didn't make a point of it. She was the lead character, and she was female. That's all there was to it.

Despite it's success however, all that seems to have followed is a series of games where you are a fixed male protagonist, or have a choice, but such choice is generally entirely cosmetic, and the whole game has been written (bar 5 or so lines) for the male protagonist.

I'd love to see games with more 'real' female protagonists, particularly in games set in a real world future.

The rest of this thread (e.g. comments about sandwiches) seems to have devolved into idiocy, from both genders. Could we try to get this (somewhat at least) back on track?

[didymos1120]

DonDaMon wrote...

if femshep was removed hardly any one would care

Not even remotely accurate.  A lot of people, male and female, would be very, very pissed off if Bioware pulled a stunt like that. 

she doesnt matter because she is simply an off shoot of sheploo

Oh, lord.

male shep is the protagonist

Shepard is the protagonist. 

no sexism

Well, actually, your "She doesn't matter" attitude expressed above is pretty much a textbook example of it.

deal with it

Can we get a new meme already?

[kglaser]

T3hAnubis wrote...

kglaser wrote...

Why?

Because Jennifer Hale can out-act Mark Meer any day of the week. That's why. Case closed.

Jennifer isn't the voice goddess many claim here.

I for one don't claim she's a voice goddess (see the 80's version of Spider-Man TV show for reference...her Felicia/Catwoman is horrid, IMHO).  But even on her worst day, she's better than Mr. Meer.  JMO, it goes without saying.

[Massadonious1]

Boiny Bunny wrote...
The rest of this thread (e.g. comments about sandwiches) seems to have devolved into idiocy, from both genders. Could we try to get this (somewhat at least) back on track?

Relax, I'm just joshing.

And I'm never really sure this thread had a point in the first place.

[James2912]

I'll try and ask a relevant question. So ladies how would you rate shep in comparison to other female game protagonists? Is she the best? Is there someone better?


And I don't play femshep really but if she was removed I would be HIGHLY offended. Same if same sex relationships  were removed. 

Modifié par James2912, 21 juillet 2011 - 04:17 .

[Siansonea]

DonDaMon wrote...

hale is too over the top
no soldier should ever put that much emotion when speaking
melo drama is what femshep brings
sheplo sounds calculated and calm by comparison

opinion stated as fact
capitalization disregarded and punctuation ignored
blunted affect presented as normal behavior
the butterfly springs from the rainbow unbound

Free verse poetry is fun!

[Ace Attorney]

kglaser wrote...

T3hAnubis wrote...

kglaser wrote...

Why?

Because Jennifer Hale can out-act Mark Meer any day of the week. That's why. Case closed.

Jennifer isn't the voice goddess many claim here.

I for one don't claim she's a voice goddess (see the 80's version of Spider-Man TV show for reference...her Felicia/Catwoman is horrid, IMHO).  But even on her worst day, she's better than Mr. Meer.  JMO, it goes without saying.

Hardly an opinion when you say "Case closed". Just saying it isn't closed at all as not everyone will agree, myself included.

Modifié par T3hAnubis, 21 juillet 2011 - 04:18 .

[DonDaMon]

females complain too much

just because you all claim we're all the same , doesnt make it so
i live in the real world where if a women is treated exactly like a man she starts complaining
you all dont realise that men & women are different therefore should be treated as such
men have a pen*s , women have a vag*na
a women is not a man - nor will she biogically ever be as strong as a man
so in any case its always going to be male shep > fem shep

biology is on my side
deal with it

[dreamextractor]

Sora Shepard wrote...

Wow, OK, this is not what I expected. Color me naive, or maybe hopelessly optimistic.

I didn't mean to be cryptic in the OP. I guess Facebook-style link posting doesn't really work here.

Although the article wasn't particularly well-written, I thought it was interesting that it singled out sci-fi for kudos when it comes to gender equality. Since much sci-fi, like Mass Effect, is set in the future, the characters and stories constitute statements about what we think our world (or universe) will evolve into. I'm not a sci-fi buff, but the history of classic sci-fi is closely bound up with progressive thought and the civil rights/women's rights movements (think of how many classic stories were written during the '60s and the '70s) so it is true that in many ways the narratives in sci-fi have been ahead of their time (so to speak) in the context of current society.

If you aren't female you may not notice, but there is a definite dearth of female protagonists across all media. It is WAY better than it was when I was growing up, but still nowhere near where it could be considering that over 50% of the human species is made up of the XX contingent. I am probably older than a lot of you -- I can't cite stats, but I'm guessing that most forum users are male and in their late teens or early 20s, so this may not resonate with you. For us female users, a female character -- in any popular narrative -- who is not "the wife" or "the girlfriend" (or "the ****") is a pretty rare find. I think that it is normal to identify with the protagonists of narratives. What this means is that very few narratives have protagonists that female audience members can identify with in a way that includes gender. It doesn't mean you can't identify with characters who are not the same gender as you (although that seems to be the case for many, not all, male gamers, who don't find it a particularly satisfying experience to play as a female character) but when you get the chance to identify with someone who DOES share your gender, it can be very very cool. If you are a guy, you may not get this because most media are made with you in mind.

FemShep is awesome in this context because not only can you identify with her, you can BE her. This is why I think that Mass Effect is way awesomer than Battlestar Galactica. I've played other video games before but not become as obsessed with one as I have with this one. There are a lot of reasons why it's easy to become immersed in the ME universe, but I'd be lying if I said that being able to play my own gender wasn't significant. The only other game(s) I've gotten this into were Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas, and I think a large part of that is because I didn't have to play as a character with testicles.

I mean, let's be honest: how many of the male gamers here would have gotten into Mass Effect if the only option was to play as a female character?

I am not sure why this is threatening in any way, but if I've offended anyone, I apologize. I'm currently playing my first ManShep, because I wanted to create a renegade character and Mark Meer's renegade delivery is good for endless hours of entertainment. I'm really enjoying it, but I'm not sure I would have gotten this into the game if I'd had to play as a man right off the bat.

Anyway, I had zero intention of starting a flame war, nor am I implying that FemShep is more important than ManShep, although I think her cultural significance is great.

You should probably edit this into your original post.

[kglaser]

Boiny Bunny wrote...
I'd love to see games with more 'real' female protagonists, particularly in games set in a real world future.

"The Longest Journey"
"Syberia"
"Syberia 2"
"Dreamfall"

[nhsk]

Yeah lets say that, perhaps I'm just to tired to do a decent conversation in a language that is not my own.
But I have read your reasonings for why you like FemShep, and I appreciate that, I do.

I just really think the entire "FemShep matters" is misplaced here on BSN because there is no discrimation against women as I said and Femshep doesn't matter more than the male version, doesn't matter less either, so the whole fight for equality or whatever it is that the thread apparently started out as is kinda, well, redundant here.

I guess I'm not clear enough right now in English and it seems I have repeated myself several times without conveying what I mean, and probably making several grammatical errors.

[pablodurando]

Pordis Shepard wrote...

It saddens me the attitudes I'm seeing here about female "roles"...is that really how you guys want your daughters to be treated when you have some?

Most of these people are either just being trolls, or they are dumbasses.  For the latter the point is wasted since they won't even see your side of the argument, it's better to just not bother.

[kglaser]

T3hAnubis wrote...

kglaser wrote...

T3hAnubis wrote...

kglaser wrote...

Why?

Because Jennifer Hale can out-act Mark Meer any day of the week. That's why. Case closed.

Jennifer isn't the voice goddess many claim here.

I for one don't claim she's a voice goddess (see the 80's version of Spider-Man TV show for reference...her Felicia/Catwoman is horrid, IMHO).  But even on her worst day, she's better than Mr. Meer.  JMO, it goes without saying.

Hardly an opinion when you say "Case closed". Just saying it isn't closed at all as not everyone will agree, myself included.

It was a colloquialism.  Didn't mean to cause problems, sorry.  I don't claim to pick the best linguistic choices at midnight.