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[DrwEddy]

Hello fans of Sebastian!

You remember the choice from The Last Straw? Where you side either the templars or mages, is before you go into battle you decide what to do with Anders. You have three choices on him: Keep him, let him go, or kill him. Since the fact that Anders made a terroist attack on the Chantry, and he was to blame for starting the Mage-Templar War, and I attempted to help him with "issues" he has with a spirit inside him. I told him to get!

Now Sebastian is very angry that on 2/3 choices that I spared Anders. Sebastian vowed on this day he will have vengeance on Anders and all of Kirkwall. I'm not afraid of Sebastian. What's he gonna do since he's a exile prince? Destroy Kirkwall with his army of Chantry soldiers? Turn all of Kirkwall's citizens into servants of the Maker? Kill or convert mages into Chantry fantics. You think of something that fits well for this topic.



DrwEddy

[berelinde]

He's going to go back to Starkhaven, post a passionately worded leaflet on the Chanters' Board, and then get distracted by a passing whim. It's what Sebastian does.

[LT123]

berelinde wrote...

He's going to go back to Starkhaven, post a passionately worded leaflet on the Chanters' Board, and then get distracted by a passing whim. It's what Sebastian does.

Aw, beat me to it.

[caradoc2000]

DrwEddy wrote...
What's he gonna do since he's a exile prince?

Put hemlock into Hawke's soup.

[AstraDrakkar]

berelinde wrote...

He's going to go back to Starkhaven, post a passionately worded leaflet on the Chanters' Board, and then get distracted by a passing whim. It's what Sebastian does.

Agreed. LOL- Sebastian is such a dweeb.

[Knight of Dane]

There isn't much he can do other than what we all assume - go to Starkhaven and fight for his claim then when(if) he succseeds he will return and do so as he says(or try to).

Though i doubt there will be anyone to get vengance upon in such a scenario, Hawke disappears no matter what and Anders either disappears(friend) or commits suicide(rival) so there won't be any personal vengance for him.

Honestly, the save games where i don't kill Anders i don't take his threads threats too seriously, he's not gonna go through with it.

Edit: Typos

Modifié par Knight of Dane, 21 juillet 2011 - 01:23 .

[NugWrangler]

There was a dev post a while back that said Sebastian's story isn't over. I suspect that no matter what he will reclaim Starkhaven. Since Hawke disappears he may end up taking over Kirkwall too.

[Knight of Dane]

BPearl12 wrote...

There was a dev post a while back that said Sebastian's story isn't over. I suspect that no matter what he will reclaim Starkhaven. Since Hawke disappears he may end up taking over Kirkwall too.

Yes, that was when people asked how come he and Aveline were the only invulnerable characters in the game.

I'm not sure he will "take" Kirkwall, that will turn the people against him, but wether he puts himself up as a viscount candidate we can only guess.

And Sebastian taking Starkhaven.... I will leave it to the devs to decide if he can do so, but i don't see him dping anything other than try at the very least.

No matter if Hawke pushed him towards being a prince, a priest or betray him, Starkhaven is the only "home" he has left after the Kirkwall chantry is destroyed.

in a templar ending where you kill anders and have friendship with Sebastian i could see him stay in Kirkwall and try to rebuild the chantry. Perhaps he will be the first Revered Father outside Haven in Ferelden in such a scenario

[berelinde]

Knight of Dane wrote...

BPearl12 wrote...

There was a dev post a while back that said Sebastian's story isn't over. I suspect that no matter what he will reclaim Starkhaven. Since Hawke disappears he may end up taking over Kirkwall too.

Yes, that was when people asked how come he and Aveline were the only invulnerable characters in the game.

I'm not sure he will "take" Kirkwall, that will turn the people against him, but wether he puts himself up as a viscount candidate we can only guess.

And Sebastian taking Starkhaven.... I will leave it to the devs to decide if he can do so, but i don't see him dping anything other than try at the very least.

No matter if Hawke pushed him towards being a prince, a priest or betray him, Starkhaven is the only "home" he has left after the Kirkwall chantry is destroyed.

in a templar ending where you kill anders and have friendship with Sebastian i could see him stay in Kirkwall and try to rebuild the chantry. Perhaps he will be the first Revered Father outside Haven in Ferelden in such a scenario

There is also nothing to say that he will return as a companion. Or as an ally. Or as a villain, although that would be kinda cool. Have we ever had a former companion return as an adversary? And no, I'm not talking about a companion that the PC winds up killing later in the game, nor am I talking about a character the player just doesn't like.

[Knight of Dane]

berelinde wrote...
There is also nothing to say that he will return as a companion. Or as an ally. Or as a villain, although that would be kinda cool. Have we ever had a former companion return as an adversary? And no, I'm not talking about a companion that the PC winds up killing later in the game, nor am I talking about a character the player just doesn't like.

What about Leske? He kinda turns on the Dwarven Commoner.

[Wulfram]

We know that "Sebastian's story is not finished yet."

My speculation? Starkhaven DLC/Expansion. If you killed Anders, then he's backed by the faction you supported and opposed by the one you didn't. If you didn't kill Anders, then he's supported by your enemies and opposed by your allies.

[Robhuzz]

Knight of Dane wrote...

berelinde wrote...
There is also nothing to say that he will return as a companion. Or as an ally. Or as a villain, although that would be kinda cool. Have we ever had a former companion return as an adversary? And no, I'm not talking about a companion that the PC winds up killing later in the game, nor am I talking about a character the player just doesn't like.

What about Leske? He kinda turns on the Dwarven Commoner.

Bastila from Kotor. Sort of.

On topic: Sebastian Friendly path is kind of a douche. He'll probably keep praying to the maker for guidance and ask him to kill Anders for him. Rivalry Sebastian on the other hand. I found him to be a MUCH better character. Finally throwing all this chantry rubbish out the window and do something usefull. If you don't kill Anders I have no doubt he'll try to kill him one day. I don't see Sebastian gathering an army to destroy Kirkwall and it's citizens though. He doesn't seem the type.

If you kill Anders I can see him (Rival Sebastian) turn into a very powerfull and usefull ally later on.

[Wulfram]

I've never managed to go rivalry on Sebastian - things were going OK once, but the massive amount of friendship points for his act 3 quest screwed things up.

[Robhuzz]

Wulfram wrote...

I've never managed to go rivalry on Sebastian - things were going OK once, but the massive amount of friendship points for his act 3 quest screwed things up.

I usually deliberately take him with me on quests that give rivalry. Namely his repentance quest and Anders' act 2 quest 'dissent'. Giving him t he starkhaven longbow and tell him to use it to avenge his parents nets +10 rivalry. As will simply have him with you and accept the 'night terrors' quest that involves saving feynriel. This also gives +10 rivalry.

That and of course constantly hammer on him to take back Starkhaven instead of staying in the chantry. This way you'll get his rivalry maxed in no time:)

[Knight of Dane]

Actually Night Terrors gives +20 if you first agree to go to the fade, then tell Ariani to wait, then talk to her again and say "I can't do that" to Marethari when she asks you to make Feynriel tranquil.

[berelinde]

Wait, +20 to what? Friendship or rivalry? I'm determined to rival Sebastian this time to see if he's more tolerable than he is in friendship mode.

[caradoc2000]

Rivalry.

[maxernst]

berelinde wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

BPearl12 wrote...

There was a dev post a while back that said Sebastian's story isn't over. I suspect that no matter what he will reclaim Starkhaven. Since Hawke disappears he may end up taking over Kirkwall too.

Yes, that was when people asked how come he and Aveline were the only invulnerable characters in the game.

I'm not sure he will "take" Kirkwall, that will turn the people against him, but wether he puts himself up as a viscount candidate we can only guess.

And Sebastian taking Starkhaven.... I will leave it to the devs to decide if he can do so, but i don't see him dping anything other than try at the very least.

No matter if Hawke pushed him towards being a prince, a priest or betray him, Starkhaven is the only "home" he has left after the Kirkwall chantry is destroyed.

in a templar ending where you kill anders and have friendship with Sebastian i could see him stay in Kirkwall and try to rebuild the chantry. Perhaps he will be the first Revered Father outside Haven in Ferelden in such a scenario

There is also nothing to say that he will return as a companion. Or as an ally. Or as a villain, although that would be kinda cool. Have we ever had a former companion return as an adversary? And no, I'm not talking about a companion that the PC winds up killing later in the game, nor am I talking about a character the player just doesn't like.

I wouldn't be surprised if Leliana comes back as a potential adversary, depending on your choices in DA3.  For that matter, so could Morrigan.

Modifié par maxernst, 22 juillet 2011 - 12:37 .

[berelinde]

Thanks!

[berelinde]

maxernst wrote...

berelinde wrote...
... Have we ever had a former companion return as an adversary?

I wouldn't be surprised if Leliana comes back as a potential adversary, depending on your choices in DA3.

Oh, that would be BEYOND cool! I would be absolutely over the moon if that happened!

Ahem.

Edit: And not only for the most obvious reason. No, I don't like Leliana, it's true. I'm allergic to "girly" and "preachy," so there isn't much for us to talk about. But I do appreciate the dynamic of having a character who might once have been a friend and ally of the Warden come back as an adversary of her successor. (sorry, all but one of my Wardens were female) Plus, it does my gender-parity-loving heart good to see powerful females in the game who aren't necessarily friendly toward the protagonist. Extra points if they aren't insane!

Modifié par berelinde, 22 juillet 2011 - 12:46 .

[Knight of Dane]

A character is not in the DA series if they aren't insane ^^

[DrwEddy]

maxernst wrote...

berelinde wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

BPearl12 wrote...

There was a dev post a while back that said Sebastian's story isn't over. I suspect that no matter what he will reclaim Starkhaven. Since Hawke disappears he may end up taking over Kirkwall too.

Yes, that was when people asked how come he and Aveline were the only invulnerable characters in the game.

I'm not sure he will "take" Kirkwall, that will turn the people against him, but wether he puts himself up as a viscount candidate we can only guess.

And Sebastian taking Starkhaven.... I will leave it to the devs to decide if he can do so, but i don't see him dping anything other than try at the very least.

No matter if Hawke pushed him towards being a prince, a priest or betray him, Starkhaven is the only "home" he has left after the Kirkwall chantry is destroyed.

in a templar ending where you kill anders and have friendship with Sebastian i could see him stay in Kirkwall and try to rebuild the chantry. Perhaps he will be the first Revered Father outside Haven in Ferelden in such a scenario

There is also nothing to say that he will return as a companion. Or as an ally. Or as a villain, although that would be kinda cool. Have we ever had a former companion return as an adversary? And no, I'm not talking about a companion that the PC winds up killing later in the game, nor am I talking about a character the player just doesn't like.

I wouldn't be surprised if Leliana comes back as a potential adversary, depending on your choices in DA3.  For that matter, so could Morrigan.

All good guesses. But I believe that Sebastian will INDEED return to Starkhaven (depending if BioWare could make a expansion to DAII), and be a very religious king. Sebastian will be like King Henry VIII of England, except he will have blood and defend the Chantry beliefs.

[Sepewrath]

If Sebastian could retake Starkhaven on his own, he wouldn't have been hanging out in Kirkwall for years. I think he could hunt Anders on his own and kill him, if you let him go, but I don't see him marching armies into Hightown. I don't think Leliana will come back as an adversary, because it seems to me that the Divine and what the Chantry is actually doing, might not be one in the same.

Modifié par Sepewrath, 24 juillet 2011 - 11:43 .

[LobselVith8]

berelinde wrote...

He's going to go back to Starkhaven, post a passionately worded leaflet on the Chanters' Board, and then get distracted by a passing whim. It's what Sebastian does.

Either that, or they'll pull an Alistair where Sebastian forgives Hawke behind the scenes and never holds it against him in any future conversations.

[DrwEddy]

LobselVith8 wrote...

berelinde wrote...

He's going to go back to Starkhaven, post a passionately worded leaflet on the Chanters' Board, and then get distracted by a passing whim. It's what Sebastian does.

Either that, or they'll pull an Alistair where Sebastian forgives Hawke behind the scenes and never holds it against him in any future conversations.

I like your guess LobselVith8!  But I don't know how Alistair will conivince Sebastian to do it, but this scenario would only work if Alistair is a king (99%) or a Grey Warden (1%). Otherwise Sebastian would fight Hawke or offers him/her a chance to "redeem" himself/herself to the Maker.  W.C.S