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[StellarMagic]

And have generations that are 300 years instead of the human standard of 30... have humans evolved much in 250 years?

[luzburg]

i like to think they have... atleast liara has in the nasty fanart

[Warod]

Even without the need for actual penetration, I'm pretty sure they carry the baby inside them. And that would logically mean that it has to get out from somewhere. So there is probably somewhere to stick it for Maleshep. If it is pleasurable for Liara is open to debate but seeing how Shep handles Liara at the end of LotSB I'd say she can make a compromise...

Now is it possible for all races without causing injury? Lets face it there are Aliens (krogans) in ME who's reproductive organs are probably "slightly" bigger then humans'. But i don't even want to go there.

[thatguy212]

No they do not have human reproductive organs, They have asari reproductive organs

[The Twilight God]

Siansonea II wrote...

Well, yes. What would be the function of such an organ in a sexually female species*? 

I mentioned this in my first post. Concentrated extra-sensitive nerve clusters that enhance the neurological connection. It would also give them an evolutionary urge to perform the joining. Mind melding, in and of itself, doesn't result in a child. To literally link nerves would require more than ordinary skin on skin contact. Or maybe not... which leads to my next paragrapgh. 

The problem with "asari physicology" is that it is completely alien and fictional. They are mammalian analogues yet they produce asexually (on a physical level) as all genetic material comes from the mother. Do they have internal testicles and ovaries? Does the mind meld randomize the sperm or the ovum? Or do they just have an ovum that is randomized in which case they have neither the mother's or the "father's" DNA. And is it really random? Wouldn't that lead to alot of harmful mutations and widespread genetic conditions ? So what exactly is changing the DNA? The Goddess? Guardian angels? Or do all Asari have an instinctual knowledge of genetics and molecular physics that they use to consciously manipulate genes? None of it makes any sense so any guess is as good as another. At the end of the day it comes down to space magic. There is no rationalizing it.

Siansonea II wrote...

* From the Codex. The Codex does not say that asari are sexually hermaphroditic, directly contradicting your "educated guess". 

It doesn't say they are not either. It doesn't even say if they have anything akin to a vagina. For all we know their baby grow out of their stomachs like gremlin reproduction has the newborns growing from their backs. It's doesn't say they have wide loose pelvic cavity area that only serve as birth canals and therefore provide no friction nor produce natural lubrication when sexually aroused. Asari could have cloaca if all the azure is is a bodily excretion point.  The codex doesn't go into any detail. Why you insist your baseless assumption is somehow more "educated" than my baseless assumption is beyond me.

Siansonea II wrote...

You assume a lot. For one thing, you assume everyone has the same feelings about sex and relationships that you have. You're wrong. 

I feel pretty sad for you right now. Hope you start feeling better soon. There are people you can talk too. Maybe they can help you get over your intimacy issues. Your excessive use of smileys to hide your anger is extremely transparent.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 25 juillet 2011 - 11:34 .

[archurban]

I thought that Asari has organ like earth worm. earth worm doesn't have male, female. worm itself reproduces worm baby (kind of gross though). therefore, Asari is gross (they look blue, clean but so dirty inside of them).

[Virus43]

Vorcha think blue-things are waste of space! Vorcha think they all should go die so I can take spacious penthouse on Illium!

Blue-thing is blue-thing and man-thing is man-thing! They are not the same because they are not the same! As premier Vorcha intellectual you should trust me!

[comrade8472]

no .....asairi are not human
do cows have human reproductive system? no they have a cow reproductive system

[Siansonea]

The Twilight God wrote...
*snip*
I mentioned this in my first post. Concentrated extra-sensitive nerve clusters that enhance the neurological connection. It would also give them an evolutionary urge to perform the joining. Mind melding, in and of itself, doesn't result in a child. To literally link nerves would require more than ordinary skin on skin contact. Or maybe not... which leads to my next paragrapgh. 

You go to great lengths to say asari are NOTHING like humans, then insist they have a human penis analogue?

You be trollin’, pure and simple. This is Baiting Liaramancers 101, for those of you just joining us. As for the great lengths I spoke of, here they are:

The problem with "asari physicology" is that it is completely alien and fictional. They are mammalian analogues yet they produce asexually (on a physical level) as all genetic material comes from the mother. Do they have internal testicles and ovaries? Does the mind meld randomize the sperm or the ovum? Or do they just have an ovum that is randomized in which case they have neither the mother's or the "father's" DNA. And is it really random? Wouldn't that lead to alot of harmful mutations and widespread genetic conditions ? So what exactly is changing the DNA? The Goddess? Guardian angels? Or do all Asari have an instinctual knowledge of genetics and molecular physics that they use to consciously manipulate genes? None of it makes any sense so any guess is as good as another. At the end of the day it comes down to space magic. There is no rationalizing it.

If it walks like a mammal, quacks like a mammal, and swims like a mammal, it’s a mammal. Asari aren’t giant amoebas or something. Yes, it’s all space magic, I’ll grant you that, but it’s space magic written from a specific point of view. And if you think the writers of Mass Effect envisioned a race of Hot Blue Space Babes with penises, well, I think you’re being disingenuous, i.e., trolling.

It doesn't say they are not either.

Maybe you don’t understand what “sexually female" means. I suspect this could cause problems in other areas of life, so you might want to learn more about this subject. I will just briefly state that an organism cannot simultaneously be “sexually female” and “sexually hermaphroditic”. An organism is either one, or the other. Or “sexually male”. Or “sexually neuter”. Or asexual if you split in half to create new copies of yourself or something.

It doesn't even say if they have anything akin to a vagina. For all we know their baby grow out of their stomachs like gremlin reproduction has the newborns growing from their backs. It's doesn't say they have wide loose pelvic cavity area that only serve as birth canals and therefore provide no friction nor produce natural lubrication when sexually aroused. Asari could have cloaca if all the azure is is a bodily excretion point.  The codex doesn't go into any detail. Why you insist your baseless assumption is somehow more "educated" than my baseless assumption is beyond me.

It’s all about intent. You’re swearing up and down that you’re on the up-and-up. Dude, no one’s buying it. If it walks like a troll, quacks like a troll, and swims like a troll...well, you get the idea.

I feel pretty sad for you right now. Hope you start feeling better soon. There are people you can talk too. Maybe they can help you get over your intimacy issues. Your excessive use of smileys to hide your anger is extremely transparent.

Hmmm, there’s that disingenuousness again...

Modifié par Siansonea II, 26 juillet 2011 - 12:50 .

[Siansonea]

Virus43 wrote...

Vorcha think blue-things are waste of space! Vorcha think they all should go die so I can take spacious penthouse on Illium!

Blue-thing is blue-thing and man-thing is man-thing! They are not the same because they are not the same! As premier Vorcha intellectual you should trust me!

Best post in the entire thread. You get a cookie!

[AngelicMachinery]

archurban wrote...

I thought that Asari has organ like earth worm. earth worm doesn't have male, female. worm itself reproduces worm baby (kind of gross though). therefore, Asari is gross (they look blue, clean but so dirty inside of them).

Wut?

[The Twilight God]

Siansonea II wrote...

You go to great lengths to say asari are NOTHING like humans, then insist they have a human penis analogue?

That's like saying I went through great length to say humans are nothing like horses, then insist that horsed have a penis analogue. Does having an organ that compliments another organ make them "just like humans"? And horses actually have penises and they are quite different than humans.

The point I was making is that you cannot claim your views are any more valid than anyone else's. You can no more claim with absolute authority that asari have "vaginas" than I can claim that they have both a "vagina" and "penis". Everything is equally valid as asari physicology defies logic. It's fiction. So get off your high horse. You have a serious issue accepting this. Hence, anyone who disagrees with you is labeled a troll.

Siansonea II wrote...

This is Baiting Liaramancers 101

Interesting, considering I consider Liara the canon romance.

Siansonea II wrote...

If it walks like a mammal, quacks like a mammal, and swims like a mammal, it’s a mammal. Asari aren’t giant amoebas or something. Yes, it’s all space magic, I’ll grant you that, but it’s space magic written from a specific point of view. And if you think the writers of Mass Effect envisioned a race of Hot Blue Space Babes with penises, well, I think you’re being disingenuous, i.e., trolling.

Asari would fit the "hermaphrodite" role rather easily. An all female race with vaginas (let's face it: If you're going down the space babe route then you are saying they have vaginas identical to human females) that has no physiological reason whatsoever to have a vagina makes no sense. Their "clitoris" becoming erect when aroused and functioning as a nerve receptical makes more sense from an evolutionary standpoint.

Now perhaps you don't like the idea of hermaphrodites. Maybe that makes you personally uncomfortable. Maybe asari are just the galaxy's Fuk-dolls tailor made by the gods to one day meet and serve human males as purely sexual playthings. That's all fine and dandy. I prefer to to inject alittle more creativity and thought into my game world. So as far as I'm concerned Liara has a "penis". She still walks, talks, functions and looks like a female. That's all that matters to me.

Siansonea II wrote...

Maybe you don’t understand what “sexually female" means. I suspect this could cause problems in other areas of life, so you might want to learn more about this subject. I will just briefly state that an organism cannot simultaneously be “sexually female” and “sexually hermaphroditic”.

 
I think it has been made fairly clear in our past posts that we are not discussing rather or not they have a penis (testicles, sperm, ejaculation) and vaginas (w/ovaries, ovum, etc.). The term "hermaphrodite" is used to establish a physical profile that we can reference. At no point did I say asari have human male penis capable of ejaculating semen. I explicitely said otherwise. Please, desist with the strawman argument.

Siansonea II wrote...
Hmmm, there’s that disingenuousness again...

You poor poor soul. You try so hard to keep face. This must be tearing you up inside. Dealing with your intimacy issues. To not know love or affection....  Not all men and/or women are disengenous. You have to let people in. Sure, you'll get hurt sometimes. But you have to pick yourself up and move on. The sun will rise again. There is someone out there for you.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 26 juillet 2011 - 02:30 .

[Siansonea]

The Twilight God wrote...
*snip*
That's like saying I went through great length to say humans are nothing like horses, then insist that horsed have a penis analogue. Does having an organ that compliments another organ make them "just like humans"? And horses actually have penises and they are quite different than humans.

Well, that’s quite a different story, isn’t it? Since you were just saying how aliens have weird space magic bodies. Now you’re talking out of the other side of your mouth. You can’t really have it both ways, you know.

The point I was making is that you cannot claim your views are any more valid than anyone else's. You can no more claim with absolute authority that asari have "vaginas" than I can claim that they have both a "vagina" and "penis". Everything is equally valid as asari physicology defies logic. It's fiction. So get off your high horse. You have a serious issue accepting this. Hence, anyone who disagrees with you is labeled a troll.

Difference being, I am actually theorizing in a way that is consistent with what we know about asari, and you’re just pulling things out of thin air that are deliberately provocative. Again, Trolling 101. So yeah, theories that aren’t contradicted by lore or common sense are inherently more valid that obvious lolwut theories.

Asari would fit the "hermaphrodite" role rather easily. An all female race with vaginas (let's face it: If you're going down the space babe route then you are saying they have vaginas identical to human females) that has no physiological reason whatsoever to have a vagina makes no sense. Their "clitoris" becoming erect when aroused and functioning as a nerve receptical makes more sense from an evolutionary standpoint.

Now perhaps you don't like the idea of hermaphrodites. Maybe that makes you personally uncomfortable. Maybe asari are just the galaxy's Fuk-dolls tailor made by the gods to one day meet and serve human males as purely sexual playthings. That's all fine and dandy. I prefer to to inject alittle more creativity and thought into my game world. So as far as I'm concerned Liara has a "penis". She still walks, talks, functions and looks like a female. That's all that matters to me.

Except, you know, “sexually female”. The CODEX.

I have zero problems with hermaphrodites, pseudohermaphrodites, intersexed persons, androgen insensitivity syndrome, transgender, or any other flavor of human you’d like to think I have a “problem” with because casting aspersions on my character is easier than actually addressing the basic logic of the argument in a non-spurious way. If the Codex said “sexually hermaphroditic” instead of “sexually female” or did not state anything with regards to asari sexual role, well then your little theory about asari pseudopenises might hold water. But your theory is directly and unambiguously contradicted by the Codex, so it’s not as workable a theory as mine, that the asari reproductive system isn’t dramatically different from that of a human female, i.e., sexually female. Of course there are differences, they are aliens after all. But if you think BioWare would ever make a race of Blue Alien Harmaphrodites...nah, you don’t really believe that. Disingenuous...

Siansonea II wrote...
 
I think it has been made fairly clear in our past posts that we are not discussing rather or not they have a penis (testicles, sperm, ejaculation) and vaginas (w/ovaries, ovum, etc.). The term "hermaphrodite" is used to establish a physical profile that we can reference. At no point did I say asari have human male penis capable of ejaculating semen. I explicitely said otherwise. Please, desist with the strawman argument.

I don't recall discussing ejaculation either. Regardless, a sexually female individual does not have a penis, pseudopenis or any other such structure. Hermaphrodites and pseudohermaphrodites function as both sexes to some degree. That’s different from “sexually female”. It doesn’t mean it’s bad, mmmkay, it just means it’s different. Capisce?

You poor poor soul. You try so hard to keep face. This must be tearing you up inside. Dealing with your intimacy issues. To not know love or affection....  Not all men and/or women are disengenous. You have to let people in. Sure, you'll get hurt sometimes. But you have to pick yourself up and move on. The sun will rise again. There is someone out there for you.

Your sympathy is misplaced, but whatever. Take what little comfort you can in knowing that nothing a complete stranger can do or say on the Internet is going to cause me an iota of pain or suffering, because I’m old enough and wise enough to give such things as much or as little consideration as they are due. In this case, all due consideration has already been given. But nice try. You get a cookie.

[Dariustwinblade]

For god sakes people Asaris and Humans are the ONLY SPECIES THAT HAVE A BELLY BUTTON yes they have wombs and don't lay eggs. It means they also have an umbelica chord at the moment of birth.

They have vagianas end of story.

[Fidget6]

An even better question! How do quarians poop? 

[mauro2222]

Fidget6 wrote...

An even better question! How do quarians poop? 

In a bag xD

[JediMaster_Murph]

Dariustwinblade wrote...

For god sakes people Asaris and Humans are the ONLY SPECIES THAT HAVE A BELLY BUTTON yes they have wombs and don't lay eggs. It means they also have an umbelica chord at the moment of birth.

They have vagianas end of story.

hurray we solved the mystery...asari do not have human reproductive organs because...wait for it....theyre not human, they have a reproductive similar to humans. your proof well Dariustwinblade figured that one out

[MeAndMySandvich]

Siansonea II wrote...

MeAndMySandvich wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

All I've done is make educated guesses about asari physiology, based on their marked visual similarity to humans AND on the Codex description of asari reproduction. You just pulled a rabbit out of a hat. Or rather, a penis. 

There's no such thing as Asari physiology. They're a fictional species, and their plumbing hasn't been established. So getting mad at someone for having a different opinion than you on the subject is kind of pointless.

Mad? Pffft. I don't care about this enough to waste a perfectly good Mad.

And this argument could be used to end any discussion. There's no such thing as fill-in-the-blank. It's a fictional thing, and therefore...

So yeah, when it comes right down to it, everything we say is "pointless". 

It's more the whole "my particular interpretation is correct, your interpretation isn't" thing. It strikes me as incredibly silly to argue about it as if there was one correct view on the subject - especially given that basically nothing about Asari biology makes any sense at all. The topic itself is also kind of hilariously BSN. "I have strong opinions about the sex life of characters from this game, and the internet must know!"

[easyt3hremember]

You do realise that reproductive organs can mean like a womb right? not just that other stuff.....

[Dariustwinblade]

JediMaster_Murph wrote...

Dariustwinblade wrote...

For god sakes people Asaris and Humans are the ONLY SPECIES THAT HAVE A BELLY BUTTON yes they have wombs and don't lay eggs. It means they also have an umbelica chord at the moment of birth.

They have vagianas end of story.

hurray we solved the mystery...asari do not have human reproductive organs because...wait for it....theyre not human, they have a reproductive similar to humans. your proof well Dariustwinblade figured that one out

Exactly they have reproductive system 98% similar to humans. They have fully functional vagiana's similar to human women where my Male Shep can stick it properly and that enough for me!


Its like debating weather Dwarfs, Qunaris, Elfs and Broodmothers have similar reproductive organs as Humans. The answer it yes!


I am leaving this thread as there is something seriously wrong with it.

Pubic tentacles! SERIOUSLY GUYS! WTF is wrong with you.

Modifié par Dariustwinblade, 26 juillet 2011 - 11:28 .

[Russalka]

Dariustwinblade wrote...

Pubic tentacles! SERIOUSLY GUYS! WTF is wrong with you.

You know it makes sense.

[Zeratul20]

...

[Russalka]

I wonder if this could be compared to the mind flayer feeding process...

[Dariustwinblade]

Russalka wrote...

Dariustwinblade wrote...

Pubic tentacles! SERIOUSLY GUYS! WTF is wrong with you.

You know it makes sense.

NO! Get out of my head.


I have a wonderful image of an Asari vagina and I wont let it be ruined by you posts. I WONT! I WONT! *gunshot*



*Lazarus Projects Occures*


Though I wonder wont it be painful to shave pubic tentacles.

[The Twilight God]

Siansonea II wrote...

Well, that’s quite a different story, isn’t it? Since you were just saying how aliens have weird space magic bodies. Now you’re talking out of the other side of your mouth. You can’t really have it both ways, you know.

No. It is space magic because it does not make sense. The asari are physically asexual mammalian analogues. That is a completely alien and fictional anatomy. Rather or not they have a penis-shaped protrusion or not does not change the fact that their reproductive methods are space magic.

Your attempts to focus on possible aesthetic similarities in order to ignore the major differences (asexuality) is an obvious ploy to draw attention away from your own inability to defend or support your own baseless conjecture over mine. I doubt I'm the only one who sees it. The fact remains that your baseless conjecture is no more or less valid than my conjecture and it is killing you inside to have to admit to yourself that you aren't all knowing and infallible.

Siansonea II wrote...

Difference being, I am actually theorizing in a way that is consistent with what we know about asari, and you’re just pulling things out of thin air that are deliberately provocative.

I don't find hermaphrodites or even transexuals to be provacative. You are applying your own personal bigotry toward these minorities. That's like saying ever same-sex romance supporter is a troll because someone out there may be uncomfortable with homosexuality.

Siansonea II wrote...

Again, Trolling 101. So yeah, theories that aren’t contradicted by lore or common sense are inherently more valid that obvious lolwut theories.

What lore supports your theory? While we are on the subject, what exactly is your theory anyway?

Because if there was any lore stating one way or the other we wouldn't even be having this conversation. The codex would be posted and that would be that. Seeing as that is not the case your assertion that your views are backed by lore and common sense ("common sense" about fictional alien anatomies?) is disingenous on your part.

Siansonea II wrote...

Except, you know, “sexually female”. The CODEX.

How would the asari not be "sexually female" if they have and protruding organ that facilitated nervous system melding?

And "sexually female", in this case, can only mean that they have babies. Nothing I have proposed runs contrary to that statement.

Siansonea II wrote...

I have zero problems with hermaphrodites, pseudohermaphrodites, intersexed persons, androgen insensitivity syndrome, transgender, or any other flavor of human you’d like to think I have a “problem” with because casting aspersions on my character is easier than actually addressing the basic logic of the argument in a non-spurious way.

 
Funny you'd say that considering your entire argument against me is an aspersion on my character. You have spent this entire time calling me a troll.

Afterall, I'm not the one claiming a penis shaped organ on a feminine alien species is inherently provacative and could only be brought up to intentionally cause a negative reaction. Given this, it isn't a grand leap of logic to suspect you may have a personal distaste toward hermaphrodites and/or transexuals that makes the subject "provocative" in your mind.  

Siansonea II wrote...

If the Codex said “sexually hermaphroditic” instead of “sexually female” or did not state anything with regards to asari sexual role, well then your little theory about asari pseudopenises might hold water. But your theory is directly and unambiguously contradicted by the Codex, so it’s not as workable a theory as mine, that the asari reproductive system isn’t dramatically different from that of a human female, i.e., sexually female. Of course there are differences, they are aliens after all. But if you think BioWare would ever make a race of Blue Alien Harmaphrodites...nah, you don’t really believe that. Disingenuous...

As I stated earlier in this post, "sexually female" has nothing to do with the appearance of sexual organs. Child bearing entities are sexually female by defintion. A hermaphrodite who who could bear a child, but did not produce sperm would be sexually female. Even if said hermaphrodite looked like a man. Hyena females have mock penises and more testosterone than the males. They are still sexually female. Perhaps you should do a bit more research on the subject. A dictionary would be a good start.

Siansonea II wrote...
 
Your sympathy is misplaced, but whatever. Take what little comfort you can in knowing that nothing a complete stranger can do or say on the Internet is going to cause me an iota of pain or suffering, because I’m old enough and wise enough to give such things as much or as little consideration as they are due. In this case, all due consideration has already been given. But nice try. You get a cookie.

The pain is in your heart, not the internet. Your inability to make a deep emotional connection with another has nothing do do with me.  That is an issue you need to work out yourself or with a professional. The fact that you are being so defensive shows that your pain is real. For what it's worth, we all support you you and hope you get better.