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[PhantoMSouljaX]

deathwing200 wrote...

Guys, this game totally ripped off elves and dwarves from LOTR.

A big difference in DA's elven lore and lotr and other elven lore is that DA turned elven's into sissyboys who sound like Antonio Banderas and try to hit on you weither you like it or not...big difference.I HATE the way DA portray's elve's with their lore.

[Foxd1e]

Stop flaming the OP, Wishpig noticed something interesting in Dragon Age and decided to bring it to the forums to have an intellectual debate about it and so far this thread is failing at that pretty hard (Barring the few well written responses that are in this thread). It's obvious he included rip-off in the title to grab attention since most people these days only read threads to defend their viewpoints or to nuke others for their's. Wishpig is definately one of the nicest, most helpful, and most entertaining people that frequent these forums.



All that said, back to the topic...



I noticed the similarity as well, there is many influences apparent in Dragon Age, and plenty of easter eggs. The most glaring influence I've seen ingame is the Guardian of Andraste's ashes, it literally reeks of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. Even the puzzles are similar, well the dissapearing bridge is. Don't forget the ancient knight with the neatly trimmed beard.

[adam_nox]

PhantoMSouljaX wrote...

deathwing200 wrote...

Guys, this game totally ripped off elves and dwarves from LOTR.

A big difference in DA's elven lore and lotr and other elven lore is that DA turned elven's into sissyboys who sound like Antonio Banderas and try to hit on you weither you like it or not...big difference.I HATE the way DA portray's elve's with their lore.

Elves are a progressive race, this is something somewhat universal.  Testosterone is a primitive hormone.  The Orlesian accent is what you take offense to, as leilana has it too.  Notice the Dalish don't sound like that. 

Apparently rpgs are now mainstream enough to count ignorant homophobes among their fanbase.

[Wardawg1001]

Wishpig wrote...

Ok, I have to say Legion of the Dead is ripped striat from Warhammer. Dwarf Slayers from the warhammer world are pretty damn unque and the staple and poster boys of the Warhammer World. No legion of the dead dwarfs don't go around bare chested wearing huge dyed mowhawks, but it isn't only appearance that makes a slayer, no, they have some of the deepest and most intresting lore in the warhammer world.

Legion of the Dead pretty much steals this lore...

Let me some up slayers. Dwarfs in the warhammer world are highly driven by honor, and it is very possible for a dwarf to dishonor himself to the point of no return... and pass this dishonor onto his family.

When this happens the dwarf declares himself dead. He considers himself dead, his family considerds him dead, and all other dwarfs consider him dead. Literally.

The dwarf then ventures out to find death in battle, and regain their honor. They are not beyond forming bands and fighting alongside each other or armies, as this would allow them to bring down more enemies before their deaths.

There is a dwarven slayer villiage/town with a slayerking, and they are allies of the humans and fight beside them as well as their kin in times of need.

Now heres the Legion of the Dead description taken strait off of the wiki

A great deal of importance is placed on the appearance of nobility
and justice amongst the dwarves. The actions of one family member can
often severely diminish an entire House's place in the social hierarchy
of the dwarves. Some disgraced dwarves will choose to go through a
ceremonial "death" to clear their names and the names of their
families. They walk out of Orzammar into the Deep Roads
to fight darkspawn for the rest of their lives as a member of the
Legion of the Dead. When one of their number dies, the Legion will bury
him or her within the stone, and celebrate the fact that the fallen has
finally found peace.
King Maric had the aid of Nalthur and his soldiers, members of the Legion of the Dead, in reclaiming the throne of Ferelden.
He was able to enlist their aid by assuring them that he would tell the
dwarves in Orzammar about their deeds, and bury them in the stone, not
in the dirt under the sky. The dwarves apparently hold great respect
for the word of the human kings, as this alone was enough to motivate
even the most tentative of the Legion to leave the familiar environment
of the Deep Roads for the surface.



(PS- although I didn't notice it so much in game, in the Dragon Age novel, many of the Legion of the Dead had covered themselves in frighting tatoos, just like slayers...)

WAY to similar!

This is the same lore and attitude that accompanies dozens of depictions of dwarves, their society, and their honor. Theres more to fantasy and science fiction than Warhammer buddy, go out and explore the world a bit.

[PhantoMSouljaX]

adam_nox wrote...

PhantoMSouljaX wrote...

deathwing200 wrote...

Guys, this game totally ripped off elves and dwarves from LOTR.

A big difference in DA's elven lore and lotr and other elven lore is that DA turned elven's into sissyboys who sound like Antonio Banderas and try to hit on you weither you like it or not...big difference.I HATE the way DA portray's elve's with their lore.

Elves are a progressive race, this is something somewhat universal.  Testosterone is a primitive hormone.  The Orlesian accent is what you take offense to, as leilana has it too.  Notice the Dalish don't sound like that. 

Apparently rpgs are now mainstream enough to count ignorant homophobes among their fanbase.

Apparently rpgs are mainstream enough to count homos amoung there fanbase.

[Unbroken Lineage]

Dudes. Please.

[Wolfva2]

Putting aside, for the moment, the dwarven race there is historical precedent for groups of people who, for honors sake, declare themselves dead and throw themselves at the enemy.  Kamikaze pilots and submariners, for instance.  The concept goes back to ancient Greece, at the very least. 

There really isn't very much new under the sun; most 'new' things are really just repackaged old ideas.  Genuinely new concepts come about, maybe, once or twice in a generation.  So don't be surprised that a game, of all things, may use pre-existing ideas instead of a brand new never before seen model.

[Serogon]

PhantoMSouljaX wrote...

Apparently rpgs are mainstream enough to count homos amoung there fanbase.

Clever. I'll laugh when you get banned for being a homophobe...

[Chillwill]

And who did games workshop base there slayers on? Well i would say they based them off the vikings who had to die in battle to get to valhalla.



The slayers in warhammer were a bit weird though they had to die fighting a specific enemy not just die in battle. A troll slayer had to die fighting a troll or they were dishonored.



Pretty much all fantasy lore has taken inspiration from stories told before, that doesn't make it a ripoff.



Tolkien made his lore based off folk tales, dungeons and dragons and warhammer made it off a mix of tolkien and folk tales, pretty much all of of fantasy setting lore is based of someone elses work it's just how the world works.



Pretty much every writer or musician or artist in general has taken inspiration from someone else.



Sure i appreciate originality but you can analyze pretty much anything and find points where the author has borrowed lore. No need to accuse people of plagiarism just because they have taken inspiration from something you have heard before.

[Cbowsin]

Soon as my time machine starts working everything will be my idea anyways.

[Red-Cell]

Did you not notice the "fade" is exactly like 40k's "warp" and how "demons" live in it? Did you not notice the purple slaanesh daemons in the game either? Mages aka Psykers that are not controlled are hunted down.....just like in warhammer 40k, except here they are hunted by templars and in 40k they are hunted by the Inquisition less they use the warp to be possessed unleashing horrors.

The easy one to pick up is the "tome of knowledge" which is the direct game feature riped straight from Warhammer Online.  Some of the Mythic people work under Bioware as well.

Game seems to incorporating a lot of themes from Warhammer Fantasy and Warhammer 40k.

Modifié par Red-Cell, 25 novembre 2009 - 06:48 .

[Cadarin]

I don't know much about Warhammer lore, but even I can see some similarities. I don't particularly mind because things like Dwarven slayers are just ****ing cool.



Everyone who's flaming the OP should actually read his posts. He's obviously not complaining about DA:O, just making a valid point.

[Rainen89]

Newsflash, the idea of dwarves existed before either, quick sue them for copying! So is...magic, demons, god, elves, evil monstrous creatures planning to destroy the world and condemned killers being forced to fight til they die. Honestly, you're like butters from the south park episode where he obsessed about the simpsons. These ideas have been around for so long that it's impossible to have any real "unique" thought when you're describing them.

[gotthammer]

Red-Cell wrote...

Game seems to incorporating a lot of themes from Warhammer Fantasy and Warhammer 40k.

Don't forget Lyrium and its similarity to Warpstone.

IMHO, it doesn't really matter if there are similarities.
I mean, I noticed the similarities, too (I used to play WH40k, and have read a fair amount of Black Library stuff and have played various WH/WH40k games, including WFRP)...but so what?

If it works with the world BioWare made...then that's a good thing, yes? Originality is overrated, methinks. If you can use an old idea and make it 'fresh' or 'work', then, IMHO, that's good.

[DM Veil]

All I have to say is...WHO FLIPPING CARES?! It's a video game story, get over it.

[Freebeers]

I love warhammer...i wish DA was based inside warhammer universe because most games workshop computer game endeavors make me snore