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[GHOST OF FRUITY]

11 pages of fretting over a David Silverman interview? The same man who coined 'the awesome button' - and people are taking him seriously? Dear god.....

[Ace of Dawn]

AlanC9 wrote...

Ace of Dawn wrote...
Nothing really. The term "Role-Playing Game" is such a vague and abstract term that everyone has different definitions about it (if you look at that "bioware is forgetting rpg mechanics thread, there is literally about 100 pages devoted to people bickering over what an RPG is). For many, if numbers are not involved, it's not an RPG. For others it's inventory, or story, or character freedom, or choice, or customisation, or items, or dice, or pens and papers. The idea is vague and Mass Effect is hybrid, meaning the RPG fans shout "Ruined Forever" because it's not *their* RPG, even though Mass Effect has never really been that.

All true, but if ME1 accidentally hit the right spot for someone, like it did for the OP, he's certainly got a right to complain when the series evolves away from his own personal tastes.

Fair point. I suppose I simply wish that anything liked/disliked about ME1/ME2 was not because Bioware is "straying" but more or less a fluke with designing a relatively unqiue game. Personally, I just want to see how the story plays out and look forward to enjoying what should be a fresh gameplay experience.

Really, what I think is shooting Bioware in the foot is the fact they are known for being a great RPG developer. Mass Effect has RPG elements, but has other things, too. So many fans look at that and feel that Bioware is messing up. As an RPG, Mass Effect is awful. Not just ME2, ME1 as well (for all the differences that exist, points are still invested to get different levels of a skill. In ME1, investing one more point in something was just another step in getting an improved version of a power, with a 1% bonus to cooldown or accuracy). But as a game, they are great.

[pablodurando]

VolusvsReaper wrote...

People are so worried making 340 of these threads a week but when the game comes out they will be on here praising how awesome and amazing it is.

QFT
 
I facepalmed at this thread.

[Thompson family]

Re: OP

Old school RPGrs still harbor hope?

You know, that's really sad.

[Thompson family]

VolusvsReaper wrote...

People are so worried making 340 of these threads a week but when the game comes out they will be on here praising how awesome and amazing it is.

No, but they'll buy it. Then they'll start 680 threads a day saying how disappointed and betrayed they are.

It's sad, really.

[The Spamming Troll]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...
i kindof get the feeling bioware doesnt understand why i played ME1.

Why did you play ME1?

Most people played it for the story, characters and setting. If you played it because you thought it was an RPG I imagine you were very disappointed - ME1's RPG features were poorly implemented and generally slated in reviews. Bioware has said it is focusing on the story and characters and stuff in ME3 and that is absolutely the right approach. What genre the gameplay falls into is a pretty small issue.

i couldnt care less what genre ME falls into. i played ME1 becasue it was the greatest peice of gaming ive ever experienced. i stopped playing ME2 becasue it didnt follow anything i did in ME1. it was more of a spinoff then an actual sequal.

ME3 is gonig to be nothing short of Mass effect 2:episode 2.

thats not certainly not why i played ME1.

[Someone With Mass]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

ME3 is gonig to be nothing short of Mass effect 2:episode 2.

Have you played the game? 

How was the ending?

[Ace of Dawn]

Someone With Mass wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

ME3 is gonig to be nothing short of Mass effect 2:episode 2.

Have you played the game? 

How was the ending?

A button was pushed. And it was awesome.

[Cainne Chapel]

I really feel for you Spam....

I on the other hand, loved ME2 and Look forward for ME3.

Could not possibly be more excited for the release of a game as I am for ME3.

looking forward to seeing the conclusion of Shep's story.

For what its worth though, I loved ME2 just as much (if not possibly a bit more) as I did ME1. Both had pros and cons, but both are great games none the less.

[xentar]

VolusvsReaper wrote...

People are so worried making 340 of these threads a week but when the game comes out they will be on here praising how awesome and amazing it is.

Not necessarily. Some people are getting it just to get the story over with.

[Serenum]

Siven80 wrote...

Correct me if i'm wrong but ME2 was far more successfull, critically and comercially than ME1, so if they carry on that for ME3 which seems to be the perfect blend of ME1+ME2, I certainly wont be complaining.

You are correct that ME2 was more successful than ME1. No doubt about that, but the reason for that is ME1 was a superb game and a commercial success in the first place. Had they not achieved success with ME1 it would have been HIGHLY unlikely that the sequel would have fared well at all, if even launched.

Word of mouth is the most powerful form of persuasion when selling products because it validates the quality of the product to folks who might not be easily influenced by other means of advertising. When folks played ME1 and enjoyed their experience they suggested that to new folks and so on and so forth, add to that the fact that it was also a great success critically and had great advertising support and a strong campaign and you have a winning formula.

That doesn't mean it is sustainable alone, ME2 enjoyed the massive expectation of the first game and delivered a really nice game while extending their consumer base but we don't know how many they might have pushed away that were disappointed with the changes made to the game. And remember that this particular player base is made up of fans from Bioware that go way back in most cases and ones which are highly likely to purchase other IP's of the company. When these guys are not receiving the attention they deserve BW has an issue at hand because they are the loyals that account for a strong base, it is much harder to gain that level of loyalty than to lose it or to try and get that from new players. Unless BW manages to bring in new consumers who far outweigh that loyal base and which won't churn as much they are losing more than simple consumers of their game, they are losing advocates and evangelists which are priceless.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Oh look, it's this thread again.

It's been hard to take this seriously.

And I mean, really, Silverman didn't say any bull**** or something. Okay, there were some bad choice of words, but Jesus Christ would you kindly look at the gameplay and take for word what CASEY HUDSON and JESSE HOUSTON say and not Silverman? You should already know this guy and how his speaking goes after the mainstream crowd (PR guy) and not the fans.

Yeah, it's a very good entry point, it's obvious this is, for god's sake. Doesn't mean they won't take the last games on account. Damn, it's full scale war so don't expect much subtlety and quests for looting and deep romance triangles, that would be silly! It's a frakkin' fight for survival, so yeah, expect lots of explosions and action all around. If you're expecting something different well the full scale galactic war game that was expected ever since the first one isn't for you, what interesting news. That is the status quo of the galaxy, everything will be going on AROUND THAT, and doesn't mean there won't different moments AROUND IT. Damn, have you seen Shepard with the boy and how they're gonna take the genophage, war of geth/quarrians, etc?

PS: And you're dumb if you expect something else. And what Phaedon said.

[Blastback]

"making them feel that it's them in the adventure."

Except between the way Shepard is written and having a voiced PC, Mass Effect has never allowed for me to feel like it is "me" in the adventure. Shepard's way to predetermined for that to work.

[Cainne Chapel]

xentar wrote...

VolusvsReaper wrote...

People are so worried making 340 of these threads a week but when the game comes out they will be on here praising how awesome and amazing it is.

Not necessarily. Some people are getting it just to get the story over with.

Kinda sad if you're forcing yourself to do something you dont enjoy.... especially a past time/hobby where the POINT of it is to have fun and enjoy it.

If I dont like a movie halfway through watching it.... I just stop watching it.  I dont force myself to finish it thinking it'll make the hour and a half worth it.  I just move on to the next thing.

[VolusvsReaper]

xentar wrote...

VolusvsReaper wrote...

People are so worried making 340 of these threads a week but when the game comes out they will be on here praising how awesome and amazing it is.

Not necessarily. Some people are getting it just to get the story over with.

Why would somebody buy a game they hate to play through a story that they more than likely don't like?

[wolfennights]

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...

"Absolutely. Hands down. We've done a lot of research about what people liked about Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2 and other games too - what they like about Gears Of War, Assassin's Creed, Halo, Call Of Duty and lots of RPG games too"

More RPG depth?
Just by bringing up Gears, COD and Halo i want too punch someone in the face.
Its sad how they are trying to impeal to FPS crowd instead of RPG crowd.

I actually hate GoW, AC, and CoD. Halo I'm okay with, but only for the vehicles and shooting stuff and multiplayer.

[Serenum]

[/quote]

By lying? I think Terror_K's right to think that he won't like ME3 much. And if the marketing lets him know that in advance, it's good marketing.

[/quote]

Not sure what you mean. Never said anything about lying in my post, quite the opposite. And I am supporting Terror to post his opinion and anyone else for that matter if it's done respectfully.

It's his own personal opinion, there's no right or wrong about it, if he feels he won't like the game that's his deal. I agree that the interview was just silly and ends up raising concerns, Silverman should never had done that interview that way.

Lying? Why? I believe that ME3 given what I have read thus far will have more RPG elements or focus than ME2 and if that is indeed the case than Silverman should be the best person equipped to talk about it since that is his job yet he goes out in an interview and proceeds to make it a bust. That is concerning.

Letting him know in advance? That isn't tailored to Terror, if the strategy doesn't appeal to him than it's not about good or bad marketing simply his own opinion and good for him that he learned about it sooner rather than later. Good marketing will always be about leveraging the reasons to believe of the product and the benefits of the game, and that should always be a true.

[hotdogbsg]

VolusvsReaper wrote...

xentar wrote...

VolusvsReaper wrote...

People are so worried making 340 of these threads a week but when the game comes out they will be on here praising how awesome and amazing it is.

Not necessarily. Some people are getting it just to get the story over with.

Why would somebody buy a game they hate to play through a story that they more than likely don't like?

I find it hard to believe someone would actually do that.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

GHOST OF FRUITY wrote...

11 pages of fretting over a David Silverman interview? The same man who coined 'the awesome button' - and people are taking him seriously? Dear god.....

hahaha, also this.

[littlezack]

hotdogbsg wrote...

VolusvsReaper wrote...

xentar wrote...

VolusvsReaper wrote...

People are so worried making 340 of these threads a week but when the game comes out they will be on here praising how awesome and amazing it is.

Not necessarily. Some people are getting it just to get the story over with.

Why would somebody buy a game they hate to play through a story that they more than likely don't like?

I find it hard to believe someone would actually do that.

You'll be surprised. And there's always my personal favorite  'Still getting this, but I'm buying used! They're not getting my money!'

[Shepard Lives]

Bioware sucks at making a fan-friendly advertising campaign? Silverman turns into a complete clown every time he gets intervewed? Stop the bloody presses.

Seriously, people, this kind of thing happens every month. It happened with DAO (THIS IS THE NEW ****) and it happened with DAII (which had quite possibly the worst marketing campaign in BW history). Simmer the hell down.

[byzantine horse]

I love the fact that people take him seriously.

This is how the gaming industry works. And so what if elements from Gears of War have been implemented? As long as they are good elements it doesn't matter because that doesn't by definition mean that they deliberately exterminate RPG features from the game. Get your heads out of your asses, we hardly know anything yet.

Btw, there are no old-school RPGs left. Stop hoping that ME3 is a classic RPG or try to make it into one, because it isn't. All that does is hurt you in the end and force the rest of us to live with you complaining on these forums when you didn't get the pen-and-paper/Baldur's Gate experience you imagined you would.

Modifié par byzantine horse, 22 juillet 2011 - 04:06 .

[xentar]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

xentar wrote...

VolusvsReaper wrote...

People are so worried making 340 of these threads a week but when the game comes out they will be on here praising how awesome and amazing it is.

Not necessarily. Some people are getting it just to get the story over with.

Kinda sad if you're forcing yourself to do something you dont enjoy.... especially a past time/hobby where the POINT of it is to have fun and enjoy it.

If I dont like a movie halfway through watching it.... I just stop watching it.  I dont force myself to finish it thinking it'll make the hour and a half worth it.  I just move on to the next thing.

Well, I have a different kind of personality. Can't leave a story unfinished, unless it's a complete disaster or I lose interest (which I haven't, Mass Effect universe would have been a great setting if not for so many scientific/technical errors), and I'm only expecting a moderate disappointment along, perhaps, with a few positives even. And there is a chance it won't be half-bad.

I have a higher probability of staying clear of the future Bioware games, though.

Edit: that should answer Volusvsreaper's question as well, the story might have been interesting so far, and ME2 pretty much ended with a cliffhanger.

Modifié par xentar, 22 juillet 2011 - 04:09 .

[ScotGaymer]

I agree with Shepard Lives.

We have known since ME1 and DAO came out that Bioware's Marketing and PR department sucks. Lol. These are the people who wrote Ray Muzukya's speech/interview responses when he said that Shepard was a "pre-defined character" as an excuse for why ManShep couldnt be gay/bi when FemShep could.

Yeh I get that Marketing and PR requires a degree of obfuscation when you are trying to sell a game or whatever. But this guy he borders on outright lying. It's almost as bad as Peter Molyneux's interviews and Lionhead's press releases about the Fable series. And about Microsoft Kinect.

But its no great surprise known for like 4 games now that the guy is an idiot.

I literally laugh when I read quotes from him; or attributed to him.

[Ace of Dawn]

hotdogbsg wrote...

VolusvsReaper wrote...

xentar wrote...

VolusvsReaper wrote...

People are so worried making 340 of these threads a week but when the game comes out they will be on here praising how awesome and amazing it is.

Not necessarily. Some people are getting it just to get the story over with.

Why would somebody buy a game they hate to play through a story that they more than likely don't like?

I find it hard to believe someone would actually do that.

I actually do do that... to a degree. I am far from a fan of Gears of War. It defines itself as having the best cover mechanics everytime it launches, which, while nice... isn't really a reason to buy the game. It's story is meh, characters are less than thrilling, suddenly tries to be deep and mysterious and then leaves you little to go off of. I could go on and on. Now, with that said, it's a good game. To say it is amazing, I feel, would be wrong. But, people feel that each game must either be the best in the world or trash. I will still end up playing Gears of War 3 out of curiosity. I may not buy it at launch, but I will somewhere down the line.

Same for Assassin's Creed. First one was fun, but not really amazing. I will eventually get around to playing ACII/Brotherhood, if only at the very least to know.

At any rate, I would only really do it for games I feel were good, but not great. Maybe it was undeserving of its hype (Gears of War. Cliff hyped it up so much, without much real merit. Fun game, had ridiculous moments, and hey! Chainsaw on a gun! But really, if he just never spoke up, I feel it would be one of those games that people would be seen play, may buy it with a price drop, but never really say "You have to have it"), or you knew the story would be interesting but not something you're not sure on (Assassin's Creed, it's interesting and out there. It's like reading a book, and you know on the next page something ridiculous will happen, but you have to know what).

I can see people liking Mass Effect, but not really caring for it all that much. ME1's story was solid, but that was about it. ME2, I feel was much better, but had to be the bridging point for ME3, so the story could only have you accomplish so much. Really, it's only in its grandiose that Mass Effect is great, I feel. But neither of the games are all that close to the epitome of perfection in any conceivable way.