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[N7KennyXD]

We don't want more action-adventure-y stuff. Mass Effect is an RPG. It's not COD or Halo or GOW, it's an RPG. Stop trying to appeal to people who like shooters.

And I know that guy did not just said "who cares" about romances.

[Whatever42]

How about people actually pay attention to the detailed facts which Bioware has released instead of some marketing gabbering?

We've seen how combat works. We know that there is more customization. We know that there is going to be a better economy. We know that they have a whole matrix about how our choices work out.

We have all these juicy details about ME3 is going to be awesome but some marketing jabber sends people running around in every direction crying "DOOM!". Give me a f'n break. Seriously. Get a grip, people.

[Iakus]

IsaacShep wrote...

It's just marketing people, marketing.

But... isn't marketing supposed to make people want to buy the game?

What reason do RPG players have to look into this game, based on that interview? 

[King Minos]

I hope we have more dialogue options like dragon age 1 and mass effect 1, dragon age 2 and mass effect 2 were ****** poor. More choices, more replay value and more customisation. That would make me a happy boy. Bet bioware will announce perks and kil streaks.

[KainrycKarr]

iakus wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

It's just marketing people, marketing.

But... isn't marketing supposed to make people want to buy the game?

What reason do RPG players have to look into this game, based on that interview? 

Nothing. How fortunate, then, that we have the various demos, screenshots, and dev interviews that completely contradict everything the PR said.

[KainrycKarr]

King Minos wrote...

I hope we have more dialogue options like dragon age 1 and mass effect 1, dragon age 2 and mass effect 2 were ****** poor. More choices, more replay value and more customisation. That would make me a happy boy. Bet bioware will announce perks and kil streaks.

Mass Effect 2 actually had more than Mass Effect 1, but that doesn't really jive with the whole "ME1 was the best ever" thing, so...

[Whatever42]

iakus wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

It's just marketing people, marketing.

But... isn't marketing supposed to make people want to buy the game?

What reason do RPG players have to look into this game, based on that interview? 

I think Bioware marketing is trying to broaden the market. Almost all ME1 and ME2 fans are RPG fans atm. Those RPG fans that didn't like the ME games are unlikely to rush to buy ME3, even with more customization and a better economy. However, non-RPG fans (such as the dreaded lowlife halo players) might find something to enjoy in ME3, which has a much better combat system than ME2. 

Not everything has to be about us, you know?

[Nohvarr]

iakus wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

It's just marketing people, marketing.

But... isn't marketing supposed to make people want to buy the game?

What reason do RPG players have to look into this game, based on that interview? 

All the information the Biodevs have given you about the game. 

I mean you all have seen Bioware's marketing in the past, I recall Terror K apologizing after the release of Dragon Age: Origins because the game was far better than the marketing had made TK think it would be. So yeah, instead of jumping on the Doom Bandwagon how about you wait for information from someone whose actually designed the game.

[Ihatebadgames]

Marketing for special people that don't understand 10, or fun for that matter.I don't care if a diffrent team is doing it or not,they(BioWare) are saying the same thing through their agents that they did before DA 2. Game 2 is better cause it'd dumb-ed down,Simple,easy.Funner we gerantee no disapointment.Every day I switch sides on if I'm going to get this game.BioWare use to do such great RPGs

[Someone With Mass]

The marketing guys are playing it purely on hype while the developers are doing it with functions that are in the game.

[Nohvarr]

Marketing for special people that don't understand 10, or fun for that matter.I don't care if a diffrent team is doing it or not,they(BioWare) are saying the same thing through their agents that they did before DA 2. Game 2 is better cause it'd dumb-ed down,Simple,easy.Funner we gerantee no disapointment.Every day I switch sides on if I'm going to get this game.BioWare use to do such great RPGs

So you plan to willful ignore all evidance to the contrary in order to hang on to an opinion you've already formed?

Noted.

Modifié par Nohvarr, 22 juillet 2011 - 05:17 .

[Eurhetemec]

The OP's commentary on this is frankly, idiotic. That he also thinks ME1/2 were bad games by BioWare standards really tells you everything you need to know about his opinion. And he's been extremely wrong before. So really, why pay any attention?

They specifically say they're focusing more on RPG elements, but people irrationally and fearfully ignore that and run around like chickens with their heads cut off, pretending that there's some reason to believe that this will be "less of an RPG" than ME2. It's just ridiculous.

[Eurhetemec]

Nohvarr wrote...

Marketing for special people that don't understand 10, or fun for that matter.I don't care if a diffrent team is doing it or not,they(BioWare) are saying the same thing through their agents that they did before DA 2. Game 2 is better cause it'd dumb-ed down,Simple,easy.Funner we gerantee no disapointment.Every day I switch sides on if I'm going to get this game.BioWare use to do such great RPGs

So you plan to willful ignore all evidance to the contrary in order to hang on to an opinion you've already formed?

Noted.

He's willfully ignoring punctuation and making sense, so it's hardly surprising!

[SomeKindaEnigma]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

iakus wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

It's just marketing people, marketing.

But... isn't marketing supposed to make people want to buy the game?

What reason do RPG players have to look into this game, based on that interview? 

I think Bioware marketing is trying to broaden the market. Almost all ME1 and ME2 fans are RPG fans atm. Those RPG fans that didn't like the ME games are unlikely to rush to buy ME3, even with more customization and a better economy. However, non-RPG fans (such as the dreaded lowlife halo players) might find something to enjoy in ME3, which has a much better combat system than ME2. 

Not everything has to be about us, you know?

You don't have to like a game.  But you also don't need to admonish that game's fans.

Sometimes I want an epic story and great immersion, so I play the ME games.  Sometimes I want to beat the sh*t out of someone one on one so I play MK.  Sometimes I just want a quick fix of shooting sh*t so I play Halo.  So at what point do I become a lowlife?

[Il Divo]

Eurhetemec wrote...

They specifically say they're focusing more on RPG elements, but people irrationally and fearfully ignore that and run around like chickens with their heads cut off, pretending that there's some reason to believe that this will be "less of an RPG" than ME2. It's just ridiculous.

Agreed.

Edit: Although in the interest of fairness, I should point out that Terror actually liked Mass Effect 1, based on his posts. His overall stance on ME2 is a bit more difficult to discern.

Modifié par Il Divo, 22 juillet 2011 - 05:21 .

[N7KennyXD]

Eurhetemec wrote...

The OP's commentary on this is frankly, idiotic. That he also thinks ME1/2 were bad games by BioWare standards really tells you everything you need to know about his opinion. And he's been extremely wrong before. So really, why pay any attention?

They specifically say they're focusing more on RPG elements, but people irrationally and fearfully ignore that and run around like chickens with their heads cut off, pretending that there's some reason to believe that this will be "less of an RPG" than ME2. It's just ridiculous.

Is it really necessary to call the OP idiotic? 

And Silverman said it will be more action-y than ME2 and ME2 was more action-y than ME1 which means less RPG elements. He also mentioned COD, GOW and Halo as their reference material. So if that does imply less RPG elements, I don't know what does.

[KainrycKarr]

Eurhetemec wrote...

The OP's commentary on this is frankly, idiotic. That he also thinks ME1/2 were bad games by BioWare standards really tells you everything you need to know about his opinion. And he's been extremely wrong before. So really, why pay any attention?

They specifically say they're focusing more on RPG elements, but people irrationally and fearfully ignore that and run around like chickens with their heads cut off, pretending that there's some reason to believe that this will be "less of an RPG" than ME2. It's just ridiculous.

To be fair, the interview in the OP, taken by itself, does make the OP itself valid. The PR is clearly mentally challenged.

What people don't realize, is that the gameplay features we have already seen demos, videos, and screenshots of, contradicts this PR idiot, thus negating the need for doom-and-gloom.

[KainrycKarr]

N7KennyXD wrote...

Eurhetemec wrote...

The OP's commentary on this is frankly, idiotic. That he also thinks ME1/2 were bad games by BioWare standards really tells you everything you need to know about his opinion. And he's been extremely wrong before. So really, why pay any attention?

They specifically say they're focusing more on RPG elements, but people irrationally and fearfully ignore that and run around like chickens with their heads cut off, pretending that there's some reason to believe that this will be "less of an RPG" than ME2. It's just ridiculous.

Is it really necessary to call the OP idiotic? 

And Silverman said it will be more action-y than ME2 and ME2 was more action-y than ME1 which means less RPG elements. He also mentioned COD, GOW and Halo as their reference material. So if that does imply less RPG elements, I don't know what does.

Okay, but we have already visually SEEN that there are more RPG elements. In demos. Videos.

Come on people, are you blind? Just ignore this Silverman idiot, pay attention to the REAL information that we have been getting from the devs and the demos.

[wolfennights]

Again, he is saying that so that the fans of those games (which are crazy popular) will say "hey, maybe I'll give this one a go."

It's just marketing.

[Undertone]

A bit late to the fray - Mesina, Phaedon and Something With Mass I have a question for you. How did you guys get into ME in the first place? Seriously most of your opinions are the epitome of everything I hate in a shooter dumb crowd. And the thing is you actually don't seem like stupid guys. What's annoying is that depth, customization, explorations and variety are good things, not bad ones.

On topic: Terrible PR and terrible direction. I dunno if I will be pre-ordering ME3. With ME2 and DA2 as they are, I'm not optimistic about ME3. And I've always have been staunch supporter of Bioware in the past.

[Nohvarr]

N7KennyXD wrote...

Eurhetemec wrote...

The OP's commentary on this is frankly, idiotic. That he also thinks ME1/2 were bad games by BioWare standards really tells you everything you need to know about his opinion. And he's been extremely wrong before. So really, why pay any attention?

They specifically say they're focusing more on RPG elements, but people irrationally and fearfully ignore that and run around like chickens with their heads cut off, pretending that there's some reason to believe that this will be "less of an RPG" than ME2. It's just ridiculous.

Is it really necessary to call the OP idiotic? 

And Silverman said it will be more action-y than ME2 and ME2 was more action-y than ME1 which means less RPG elements. He also mentioned COD, GOW and Halo as their reference material. So if that does imply less RPG elements, I don't know what does.

But we've already seen, at E3, and from other articles that the game has more RPG elements than ME 2. We've seen weapon customization, we've seen characters builds (we have screenshots) but an article based around a marketing interview causes the OP to assume something is wrong?

That dosen't make sense.

This keeps happening on these boards. I recall when certain fans complained that a BioDev said people might like ME 2's characters over ME 1. It was a totally silly argument, espeically since he was right, and we now have people demanding the ME 2 squad be given more screen time than the People from ME 1.

Modifié par Nohvarr, 22 juillet 2011 - 05:26 .

[N7KennyXD]

KainrycKarr wrote...

N7KennyXD wrote...

Eurhetemec wrote...

The OP's commentary on this is frankly, idiotic. That he also thinks ME1/2 were bad games by BioWare standards really tells you everything you need to know about his opinion. And he's been extremely wrong before. So really, why pay any attention?

They specifically say they're focusing more on RPG elements, but people irrationally and fearfully ignore that and run around like chickens with their heads cut off, pretending that there's some reason to believe that this will be "less of an RPG" than ME2. It's just ridiculous.

Is it really necessary to call the OP idiotic? 

And Silverman said it will be more action-y than ME2 and ME2 was more action-y than ME1 which means less RPG elements. He also mentioned COD, GOW and Halo as their reference material. So if that does imply less RPG elements, I don't know what does.

Okay, but we have already visually SEEN that there are more RPG elements. In demos. Videos.

Come on people, are you blind? Just ignore this Silverman idiot, pay attention to the REAL information that we have been getting from the devs and the demos.

True, true.

But still, what Silverman said still makes me irritated. Moron <_<

Modifié par N7KennyXD, 22 juillet 2011 - 05:25 .

[Il Divo]

N7KennyXD wrote...

Is it really necessary to call the OP idiotic? 

No it isn't.

And Silverman said it will be more action-y than ME2 and ME2 was more action-y than ME1

With good reason. The Reapers are now invading. If you had asked me this question immediately after beating Mass Effect 1, I would have said exactly the same. This is a war against giant space ships. I want to fight/interact with my companions, sure. But I should also be focused on killing these giant space ships.

 

He also mentioned COD, GOW and Halo as their reference material. So if that does imply less RPG elements, I don't know what does.

It could mean a number of things. Grenades? Jumping across chasms? A better/more fluid shooter interface? Mass Effect is part tps, so these elements should be as fine-tuned as possible. I don't see how any of this implies less RPG elements, not when we've been told/seen screenshots for the weapon modifications/level up screen. And I believe it's also been mentioned that there will be more powers than the previous game, which was ME2's real failing.

Modifié par Il Divo, 22 juillet 2011 - 05:27 .

[Nohvarr]

N7KennyXD wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

N7KennyXD wrote...

Eurhetemec wrote...

The OP's commentary on this is frankly, idiotic. That he also thinks ME1/2 were bad games by BioWare standards really tells you everything you need to know about his opinion. And he's been extremely wrong before. So really, why pay any attention?

They specifically say they're focusing more on RPG elements, but people irrationally and fearfully ignore that and run around like chickens with their heads cut off, pretending that there's some reason to believe that this will be "less of an RPG" than ME2. It's just ridiculous.

Is it really necessary to call the OP idiotic? 

And Silverman said it will be more action-y than ME2 and ME2 was more action-y than ME1 which means less RPG elements. He also mentioned COD, GOW and Halo as their reference material. So if that does imply less RPG elements, I don't know what does.

Okay, but we have already visually SEEN that there are more RPG elements. In demos. Videos.

Come on people, are you blind? Just ignore this Silverman idiot, pay attention to the REAL information that we have been getting from the devs and the demos.

True, true.

But still, what Silverman said still makes me irritated. Moron <_<

....Didn't you just call people on saying the OP is 'idiotic', and now you're calling a PR guy a 'moron' for doing his job? I mean it dosen't appeal to you, but it likely appeals to people he wants to give the game a try. I for one look forward to dragging the singleplayer shooter crowd away from COD & Halo. Perhaps they'll start demanding games with more depth in general.

Heck it's already happening, Bioshock Infinite, Rage, Prey 2, and Dishonored all look to be more than 'use gun on man' and have actual depth and complexity to their story and gameplay.

Even the new X-com, as problematic as it is, seems to be borrowing from ME series and you don't crib from a game system that dosen't work/isn't popular.

Modifié par Nohvarr, 22 juillet 2011 - 05:31 .

[Ihatebadgames]

Accents don't translate.Worked for a PR type at one time.Could not tell the truth if his life depended on it.There is NO evidence that it will be good.I've not played it and a flash across the screen shows me nothing.Glad I could make your morning/evening.It all makes sence to me.Have not enjoyed the pharse "Dumbed down,simpler or what ever the buzz word of the day is in 30 years.Do I think 3 will be bad?No.Do I think it will be as good as 1 or even 2.No. And good night to all.I'll want to pre order it when I get up.