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[N7KennyXD]

Il Divo wrote...

N7KennyXD wrote...

Is it really necessary to call the OP idiotic? 

No it isn't.

And Silverman said it will be more action-y than ME2 and ME2 was more action-y than ME1

With good reason. The Reapers are now invading. If you had asked me this question immediately after beating Mass Effect 1, I would have said exactly the same. This is a war against giant space ships. I want to fight/interact with my companions, sure. But I should also be focused on killing these giant space ships.

 

He also mentioned COD, GOW and Halo as their reference material. So if that does imply less RPG elements, I don't know what does.

It could mean a number of things. Grenades? Jumping across chasms? A better/more fluid shooter interface? Mass Effect is part tps, so these elements should be as fine-tuned as possible. I don't see how any of this implies less RPG elements, not when we've been told/seen screenshots for the weapon modifications/level up screen. And I believe it's also been mentioned that there will be more powers than the previous game, which was ME2's real failing.

True enough.

However, Silverman should still be fired.

[Candidate 88766]

N7KennyXD wrote...

We don't want more action-adventure-y stuff. Mass Effect is an RPG. It's not COD or Halo or GOW, it's an RPG. Stop trying to appeal to people who like shooters.

Mass Effect is not an RPG. Never has been. Never will be. It is an action-RPG: an action game with relevent RPG elements in it. There is a massive difference between the style Bioware chose for ME and the style of traditional RPGs. With ME, Bioware focused mainly on the story and a cinematic gameplay style. The only RPG feature it had was the idea of choice and consequence, and that isn't unique to RPGs. Every other 'RPG feature', such as loot or stats, is used in so many other game genres that calling them 'RPG features' isn't really true anymore.

Also, just because it has guns doesn't instantly mean you should be comparing it to Halo or CoD. They are entirely different styles of shooter, and approach shooting and action in different ways. Comparing ME to an FPS is like comparing Oblivion to a boxing game because both allow you to hit your opponents with your fists. It is not a traditional RPG, but it is not Halo, CoD or GoW either. ME tries to find a middle ground between old-school RPG fans, fans of more action-based games and above all else fans of good, old-fashioned sci-fi. 

A game's genre really shouldn't matter as long as the game itself is good. Mass Effect games are good due to the story, characters, setting, atmosphere and music - none of which are 'RPG features'. 

[N7KennyXD]

Nohvarr wrote...

N7KennyXD wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

N7KennyXD wrote...

Eurhetemec wrote...

The OP's commentary on this is frankly, idiotic. That he also thinks ME1/2 were bad games by BioWare standards really tells you everything you need to know about his opinion. And he's been extremely wrong before. So really, why pay any attention?

They specifically say they're focusing more on RPG elements, but people irrationally and fearfully ignore that and run around like chickens with their heads cut off, pretending that there's some reason to believe that this will be "less of an RPG" than ME2. It's just ridiculous.

Is it really necessary to call the OP idiotic? 

And Silverman said it will be more action-y than ME2 and ME2 was more action-y than ME1 which means less RPG elements. He also mentioned COD, GOW and Halo as their reference material. So if that does imply less RPG elements, I don't know what does.

Okay, but we have already visually SEEN that there are more RPG elements. In demos. Videos.

Come on people, are you blind? Just ignore this Silverman idiot, pay attention to the REAL information that we have been getting from the devs and the demos.

True, true.

But still, what Silverman said still makes me irritated. Moron <_<

....Didn't you just call people on saying the OP is 'idiotic', and now you're calling a PR guy a 'moron' for doing his job? I mean it dosen't appeal to you, but it likely appeals to people he wants to give the game a try. I for one look forward to dragging the singleplayer shooter crowd away from COD & Halo. Perhaps they'll start demanding games with more depth in general.

Heck it's already happening, Bioshock Infinite, Rage, Prey 2, and Dishonored all look to be more than 'use gun on man' and have actual depth and complexity to their story and gameplay.

Even the new X-com, as problematic as it is, seems to be borrowing from ME series and you don't crib from a game system that dosen't work/isn't popular.

OP means original poster. He wasn't refering to Silverman, he was refering to the person who started this thread.

[Candidate 88766]

N7KennyXD wrote...
However, Silverman should still be fired.

Don't be silly. He's Bioware's resident troll. Without him, these forums wouldn't be anywhere near as fun.

[Veex]

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

So at what point do I become a lowlife?

You don't reach lowlife status until you start seriously believing that the type of video games you play is an actual determination of your intelligence.

[Nohvarr]

N7KennyXD wrote...

OP means original poster. He wasn't refering to Silverman, he was refering to the person who started this thread.

I know what OP means, but you called people on saying he was being idiotic, then turned around and called someone else a moron. I consider that hypocrisy.

[Il Divo]

What's annoying is that depth, customization, explorations and variety are good things, not bad ones.

I have to disagree. Depth, customization, and exploration are neither good nor bad on the surface. They are simply concepts. Implementation decides whether they are regarded as good/bad. No one enjoys "bad" features. People simply have a different threshhold for how many negatives a certain feature might have before considering it a failure.

Ex: I enjoy good inventory systems. I though Deus Ex did a fantastic job at this. ME not so much.

 I also thought customization/exploration were terrible in ME, so in this case I found the sequel's elements more enjoyable, despite having much less of both.

[N7KennyXD]

Nohvarr wrote...

N7KennyXD wrote...

OP means original poster. He wasn't refering to Silverman, he was refering to the person who started this thread.

I know what OP means, but you called people on saying he was being idiotic, then turned around and called someone else a moron. I consider that hypocrisy.

I'm not being hypocritical. I just said it wasn't necersary to call the OP idiotic. I never said to not insult people. I'm sure a lot of people agree with me when I said Silverman was a moron.

Modifié par N7KennyXD, 22 juillet 2011 - 05:36 .

[Il Divo]

N7KennyXD wrote...

True enough.
However, Silverman should still be fired.

You're a much better person than I. The man needs to be locked in a dark room for the rest of his miserable existence.

[N7KennyXD]

Il Divo wrote...

N7KennyXD wrote...

True enough.
However, Silverman should still be fired.

You're a much better person than I. The man needs to be locked in a dark room for the rest of his miserable existence.

I'm pretty sure I have Jigsaw's number around here...where did I put that?

[Pattonesque]

Brian Lee O'Malley wrote...

why do nerds crave disappointment?

http://twitter.com/#...712794272272384

[Nohvarr]

N7KennyXD wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

N7KennyXD wrote...

OP means original poster. He wasn't refering to Silverman, he was refering to the person who started this thread.

I know what OP means, but you called people on saying he was being idiotic, then turned around and called someone else a moron. I consider that hypocrisy.

I'm not being hypocritical. I just said it wasn't necersary to call the OP idiotic. I never said to not insult people. I'm sure a lot of people agree with me when I said Silverman was a moron.

*rubs temples*

Soo it's okay to insult Silverman because you disagree with him, but it's not okay for other people to insult the OP because you agree with him. Does that sound about right?

[Eurhetemec]

N7KennyXD wrote...

Is it really necessary to call the OP idiotic? 

And Silverman said it will be more action-y than ME2 and ME2 was more action-y than ME1 which means less RPG elements. He also mentioned COD, GOW and Halo as their reference material. So if that does imply less RPG elements, I don't know what does.

Absolutely it is necessary. More action-y doesn't imply less RPG. You've played ME2. It's more of an RPG, than, say Jade Empire, for my money, but it's also more action-y. You can have more both. I do indeed think you "don't know what does". I think that's exactly the problem here.

The OP is ignoring what he's seen, ignoring what's been said, and panicking because a marketing guy is marketing. It's childish. It's ridiculous. It's useless panic-mongering.

EDIT - I will agree that Silverman is something of a moron, but so is the OP if he takes him seriously. As an adult human being of at least average intelligence, it is the OP's DUTY to behave like such, and to analyse what people say on the basis of their motivations, desires and purpose. This is a marketing guy, marketing. Understand it as such. If you don't want to behave like an adult human, well I suggest one refrains from comment.

Il Divo wrote...

Agreed.

Edit: Although in the
interest of fairness, I should point out that Terror actually liked Mass
Effect 1, based on his posts. His overall stance on ME2 is a bit more
difficult to discern.

My honest opinion is that anyone who didn't think that ME2 was an amazing game, at least as good as ME1 albeit in a different way, should really take a long hard look at what they like in games. Anyone who thinks it was a bad game is just not worth communicating with.

Modifié par Eurhetemec, 22 juillet 2011 - 05:42 .

[Whatever42]

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...


You don't have to like a game.  But you also don't need to admonish that game's fans.

Sometimes I want an epic story and great immersion, so I play the ME games.  Sometimes I want to beat the sh*t out of someone one on one so I play MK.  Sometimes I just want a quick fix of shooting sh*t so I play Halo.  So at what point do I become a lowlife?

Sorry, that was sarcasm on my part. The RPG purists on this board refer to everyone who likes ME as shooter fans or COD or Halo fans. I have nothing against Halo fans!

[N7KennyXD]

Nohvarr wrote...

N7KennyXD wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

N7KennyXD wrote...

OP means original poster. He wasn't refering to Silverman, he was refering to the person who started this thread.

I know what OP means, but you called people on saying he was being idiotic, then turned around and called someone else a moron. I consider that hypocrisy.

I'm not being hypocritical. I just said it wasn't necersary to call the OP idiotic. I never said to not insult people. I'm sure a lot of people agree with me when I said Silverman was a moron.

*rubs temples*

Soo it's okay to insult Silverman because you disagree with him, but it's not okay for other people to insult the OP because you agree with him. Does that sound about right?

Ehh...you're making this so much more complicated then it is. 

[Nohvarr]

N7KennyXD wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

N7KennyXD wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

N7KennyXD wrote...

OP means original poster. He wasn't refering to Silverman, he was refering to the person who started this thread.

I know what OP means, but you called people on saying he was being idiotic, then turned around and called someone else a moron. I consider that hypocrisy.

I'm not being hypocritical. I just said it wasn't necersary to call the OP idiotic. I never said to not insult people. I'm sure a lot of people agree with me when I said Silverman was a moron.

*rubs temples*

Soo it's okay to insult Silverman because you disagree with him, but it's not okay for other people to insult the OP because you agree with him. Does that sound about right?

Ehh...you're making this so much more complicated then it is. 

Oh I think it's pretty clear, you agree with the Op and thus would rather not have people call the OP's post idiotic. You disagree with Silvermane and thus have no problem with calling him a moron.

Modifié par Nohvarr, 22 juillet 2011 - 05:52 .

[N7KennyXD]

Nohvarr wrote...

N7KennyXD wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

N7KennyXD wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

N7KennyXD wrote...

OP means original poster. He wasn't refering to Silverman, he was refering to the person who started this thread.

I know what OP means, but you called people on saying he was being idiotic, then turned around and called someone else a moron. I consider that hypocrisy.

I'm not being hypocritical. I just said it wasn't necersary to call the OP idiotic. I never said to not insult people. I'm sure a lot of people agree with me when I said Silverman was a moron.

*rubs temples*

Soo it's okay to insult Silverman because you disagree with him, but it's not okay for other people to insult the OP because you agree with him. Does that sound about right?

Ehh...you're making this so much more complicated then it is. 

Oh I think it's pretty clear, you agree with the Op and thus would rather not have people call the OP's post idiotic. You disagree with Silvermane and thus have no problem with calling him a moron.

What, so you never disliked one person and not dislike another? I'm allowed to like and dislike who I please.

[Candidate 88766]

Eurhetemec wrote...
My honest opinion is that anyone who didn't think that ME2 was an amazing game, at least as good as ME1 albeit in a different way, should really take a long hard look at what they like in games. Anyone who thinks it was a bad game is just not worth communicating with.

I fully agree with this. You may not like ME2, but that doesn't make it bad. I don't like Schindler's list. I know its an amazing film, but I just don't like it. Saying you don't like ME1 or you don't like ME2 is a perfectly valid opinion. Saying you prefer one over the other is perfectly valid. Saying that one of them is bad is not - it flies in the face of the overwhelming critical and consumer praise that has been heaped upon both games. Saying you don't like something is an opinion. Saying that it is bad because of that, particularly in regards to games rated as highly as ME1 and ME2, is incorrect.

[Nohvarr]

N7KennyXD wrote...

What, so you never disliked one person and not dislike another? I'm allowed to like and dislike who I please.

The problem is you just told people not to insult the OP then turned around and insulted Silverman, I consider that being hypocritical.

As to the RPG elements:

For your viewing pleasure go to 6:02 to see weapon customization.
I know what OP means, but you called people on saying he was being idiotic, then turned around and called someone else a moron. I consider that hypocrisy.[/

Modifié par Nohvarr, 22 juillet 2011 - 05:57 .

[Iakus]

Il Divo wrote...

 

He also mentioned COD, GOW and Halo as their reference material. So if that does imply less RPG elements, I don't know what does.

It could mean a number of things. Grenades? Jumping across chasms? A better/more fluid shooter interface? Mass Effect is part tps, so these elements should be as fine-tuned as possible. I don't see how any of this implies less RPG elements, not when we've been told/seen screenshots for the weapon modifications/level up screen. And I believe it's also been mentioned that there will be more powers than the previous game, which was ME2's real failing.

That's what it could be.  In fact, that's what it likely is.  But the way it came across in the interview seemed like he was saying they took their research from "Halo, AC, CoD, and some RPGs I skimmed and can't be bothered to remember the names of"

The fact that he mentions the "rpg rabbit hole" was kind of insulting as well.  LIke there's no middle ground between D20 and "my guns have more options than I do"  

"Who cares?  It's all out war!" is what really made me facepalm.  There are friendships and romances in war too.  Heck, it's what inspires many people to fight!  To protect those they care about, to stand side-by-side with those they trust to do the same for them.  It's not just maneuvering a little Shepard avatar across a screen shooting husks, or faceless Cerberus goons.  It's about a third volume to what was supposedly an epic three game storyline.  

I'm not saying Bioware's going to go back on its word in reintroducing these things in ME3.  OR that ME3 is going to be nothing but adreneline-pumping action and othing else.  What I am saying is that Bioware's marketing strategy is doing a remarkably good job at hiding and downplaying these features.  I get more hints of this stuff from the Twitter quotes I see posted here than in the official advertising.

[javierabegazo]

It is plenty hypocritical to defend a forumite, and attack a BioWare employee. There are far too many insults and personal attacks. Sorry for it muddling the thread TerrorK, please post again.