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[Romantiq]

Interesting. For myself, being bad in New Vegas means killing everything and everyone I can and then siding with Yes Man and controlling the place with just Robots and myself.

I don't necessarily consider Legion to be bad.

[Jestina]

The factional rep system in the game was stupid too. You could kill someone out in the middle of nowhere with no one else around and get hit with a faction penalty. I hope they totally get rid of it in the next game.

[Addai]

Sorry to hear about the problems on PS. Reminds me of waiting to play the FO3 DLC until the GOTY came out, and then having it be so buggy that it was unplayable. I only played all those DLC recently, after breaking down and re-buying the Ultimate Edition on Steam. No regrets. What a damn fun game.

Re FNV factions- I like the idea, but it could be implemented better. I also was a bit disappointed with the Legion, who seemed like raiders in miniskirts. It would have been nice to have a more nuanced option rather than stupid evil. Caesar himself was good, though, also the Burned Man and Legate Lanius. Seemed like it had promise and not very good execution (no crucifixion pun intended, heh).

I got a mod that gives you companion equipment and man, Boone's scoped hunting rifle is a sweet little gun. Also Lily's carbine. Nothing like the smell of a hot assault rifle in the morning.

[HoonDing]

I always find myself destroying the entire Legion camp when my (female) character is told by a slave "some men have been talking of trying you out".

Funny thing how the Legion's larping of Romans goes very far, all the way to making Roman coins and using obscure Latin terms like "frumentarii", but glossing over the fact that the actual Romans never treated their women as slaves. "Emancipation" actually has its roots in Latin.

Modifié par virumor, 04 octobre 2011 - 07:54 .

[naughty99]

From the recent list of Steam achievements, it sounds like Skyrim might have a couple of parallels with Fallout New Vegas relating to the PC taking sides in the conflict between Rebel and Imperial Legion factions.

Although certainly I would have loved to see greater depth in general, particularly in the Legion quest line, I was really pleased with this aspect of the game.

Modifié par naughty99, 04 octobre 2011 - 08:10 .

[Addai]

lol @ Roman LARPing. And agreed, a bit more actual Roman would have been nice. I admit that I still find Nipton creepy.

My first character was an NCR supporter and that was a drag. I'm so happy to be blowing them off in my current game.

[Barbarossa2010]

I ended up swimming the Colorado with Boone and taking out Caesar and the entire camp. Was pretty fun actually, (especially when entering the HQ tent), and the ambient dialogue throughout the rest of the game acknowledged it. Didn't like the Legion primarily because there was little to balance their overt evils.

Didn't like Vulpes Inculta (sp?) when I met him the first time. Killed him and all with him the first time, but couldn't keep up with the thrice daily Legion raids, so I reloaded and let them live, up until the time my character was strong enough to deal with them. BTW, taking out Caesar does nothing to weaken the Legion throughout the game (which I wrongly thought would).

To me, they were way too easy to dislike. Little present to counterbalance their ways in my view. Just me though.

[TheBlackBaron]

Vulpes is kind of a badass, and definitely has some Magnificent Bastard qualities to him (as does Joshua Graham). Really kind of a shame the Legion as a whole is thoroughly, thoroughly Lawful Evil. I was exceptionally impressed with the amount of work Sawyer and Avellone and the rest put into their design, whatwith the frumentarii and the Latin pronunciations of the words (e.g. Kai-zar instead of See-zer).

As for the faction system, I liked it. The issue of getting hit with penalties for killing somebody way the hell out in the wasteland is strange, but par for the course for Gamebryo game (as Morrowind's psychic guards can attest). It was there in Fallout 2, in any event, and to some degree something I felt FO3 was lacking. 3 didn't have much in the way of developed societies, though, similar to FO1 (which had a rudimentary form of both the karma and reputation system but didn't do much with either), so I suppose that's excusable.

[Addai]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...
BTW, taking out Caesar does nothing to weaken the Legion throughout the game (which I wrongly thought would).

You do get to sit in the chair!



I liked the idea that the Legion had resulted from some misguided idealism on the part of the do-gooder Followers.  But when labor is scarce, its value goes up, so why are they just killing people left and right?  Having a group be slave holders just for lulz shows a commitment to sadism but not any rational political ideal.  I mean, what are all those loads the slaves are carrying?  What are the Legion building or doing that justifies them needing slave labor?  So they hate drug dealers- when the lawmen are more vicious than the "criminals," then it's hard to sympathize with the law.

If there had been some big dream and some tangible results, there would have been some moral ambiguity to siding with the Legion.

Modifié par Addai67, 04 octobre 2011 - 11:13 .

[TobiTobsen]

The high ranking members of the Legion may have some visions, but most of the normal soldiers are just raiders dressed in bad football gear covers of the lorica segmentata.

I really see no good reason to side with the legion. No non-evil or sane reason at least.

Well... there is always:

[Barbarossa2010]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Vulpes is kind of a badass, and definitely has some Magnificent Bastard qualities to him (as does Joshua Graham). Really kind of a shame the Legion as a whole is thoroughly, thoroughly Lawful Evil. I was exceptionally impressed with the amount of work Sawyer and Avellone and the rest put into their design, whatwith the frumentarii and the Latin pronunciations of the words (e.g. Kai-zar instead of See-zer).

As for the faction system, I liked it. The issue of getting hit with penalties for killing somebody way the hell out in the wasteland is strange, but par for the course for Gamebryo game (as Morrowind's psychic guards can attest). It was there in Fallout 2, in any event, and to some degree something I felt FO3 was lacking. 3 didn't have much in the way of developed societies, though, similar to FO1 (which had a rudimentary form of both the karma and reputation system but didn't do much with either), so I suppose that's excusable.

HA, yeah, I especially liked the posters in the NCR areas with Vulpes' picture that say: "You are his b"+c#," if you steal or something or other.  Another one of those funny little additions.

[Barbarossa2010]

Addai67 wrote...

Barbarossa2010 wrote...
BTW, taking out Caesar does nothing to weaken the Legion throughout the game (which I wrongly thought would).

You do get to sit in the chair!



I liked the idea that the Legion had resulted from some misguided idealism on the part of the do-gooder Followers.  The problem is that slavery is not a natural result of a vast depopulation.  When labor is scarce, its value goes up, so why are they just killing people left and right?  Having a group be slave holders just for lulz shows a commitment to sadism but not any rational political ideal.  I mean, what are all those loads the slaves are carrying?  What are the Legion building or doing that justifies them needing slave labor?  So they hate drug dealers- when the lawmen are more vicious than the "criminals," then it's hard to sympathize with the law.

If there had been some big dream and some tangible results, there would have been some moral ambiguity to siding with the Legion.

Very nice.  Yep, couldn't help myself either.

[Addai]

I had gone to the camp with C4 stuffed into my pockets intending to blow the joint, then found that my detonator was bugged. Sadface! So I was going to leave peacefully, but then hit a bug where I could not get out of the Securitron bunker. The dialogue with the guy at the door kept popping up over and over no matter what option I chose. So. I killed him. lol Long live Caesar Courier.

Oh- and I thought a slavery theme that was implemented better was in the FO3 DLC, The Pitt.  The moral dilemma there wasn't exactly about slavery, but that story really made me think hard about what to choose.

Modifié par Addai67, 04 octobre 2011 - 11:16 .

[Jestina]

The problem with the Legion is that they don't really tempt the player with anything for siding with them. No power, no money, no nothing.

[DesmondMiles]

okay guys and girls the bethblog says that the Dead Money & Honest Hearts DLC are 400 microsoft points each between today and 10th of Oct. so my question is since i havn't played any of the NV dlc, would those two dlcs be worth the ms points, should i get them now?, should i not and hold off till a GOTY like release comes out? also since i havnt kept up with the news on games and that are they going to release a GOTY like retail release with all the DLC in the near future?
thanks for your time
oh and heres the link for the bethblog http://www.bethblog....x-live-content/

[Deathwurm]

@Desmond: I'm not sure how much real money 400 MS points are (I only have a PC) but I can tell you I enjoyed both DLCs...

Dead Money is really claustrophobic and dangerous...a lot of traps and close-in fighting with a good story...Honest Hearts has less Story but a lot of really nice visuals (Zion is beautiful) and exploration.

Dead Money has more to do with the Ulysses/Father Elijah sub-plot.

[KenKenpachi]

Deathwurm wrote...

@Desmond: I'm not sure how much real money 400 MS points are (I only have a PC) but I can tell you I enjoyed both DLCs...

Dead Money is really claustrophobic and dangerous...a lot of traps and close-in fighting with a good story...Honest Hearts has less Story but a lot of really nice visuals (Zion is beautiful) and exploration.

Dead Money has more to do with the Ulysses/Father Elijah sub-plot.

$5 USD.

you can get a 800 point card for 10, 1600 for 20, and 4k for 50.

[Deathwurm]

Thanks, Ken...

That makes my advice to DesmondMiles a "go for it"...that is, if you're enjoying New Vegas...

[Addai]

Jestina wrote...

The problem with the Legion is that they don't really tempt the player with anything for siding with them. No power, no money, no nothing.

True.  They can't even point to a civilian population, so they also offer nothing to the Mojave.  Again not quite like the real Romans, who certainly beat people to a pulp but also made some want to wear the yoke.

Ah well, I suppose there are players who like the lawful evil thing.  Both lawful evil and good make me itch.  In my current game I'll probably support Mr. House.  For one thing, fighting those securitrons in Old World Blues makes an impression- and those are broken ones.

@ DesmondMiles:  I think all the FNV DLC are worth the cash.  I enjoyed all of them, and each was unique.

Modifié par Addai67, 05 octobre 2011 - 03:18 .

[TobiTobsen]

Addai67 wrote...

Jestina wrote...

The problem with the Legion is that they don't really tempt the player with anything for siding with them. No power, no money, no nothing.

True.  They can't even point to a civilian population, so they also offer nothing to the Mojave.  Again not quite like the real Romans, who certainly beat people to a pulp but also made some want to wear the yoke.

Ah well, I suppose there are players who like the lawful evil thing.  Both lawful evil and good make me itch.  In my current game I'll probably support Mr. House.  For one thing, fighting those securitrons in Old World Blues makes an impression- and those are broken ones.

Is the Legion really lawful evil? Their leader isn't even obeying his own rules. The higher ups always seem more like neutral evil to me, while the normal foot soldiers are one big bunch of chaotic evil raiders.

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 05 octobre 2011 - 03:23 .

[HoonDing]

Another thing against the Legion is that the meeting with the great Caesar is ho-hum at best. He lacks charisma and intelligence, it's hard to believe that boring man managed to assimilate all those tribes, not to mention subdue a monster like Legate Lanius.

The voice over is pretty bad as well, he sounds like a librarian rather than an authority figure.

[Addai]

TobiTobsen wrote...

Is the Legion really lawful evil? Their leader isn't even obeying his own rules. The higher ups always seem more like neutral evil to me, while the normal foot soldiers are one big bunch of chaotic evil raiders.

Well that's a good question.  They have a strict code on certain things that even the underlings keep, but I guess overall they're all about chaos and their own advancement so I guess it could go either way.

[Jestina]

They could have given us a better mix of companions like with FO3. Most of the companions are anti-legion which doesn't help things any. Need a companion or two that like you having bad karma.

[DesmondMiles]

@ Deathwurm & Addai67 thanks for the help guys, i just downloaded them gonna play them tonight after some guitar pratice haha i havn't played NV in a while so it would be good to step back into the world of fallout

[Deathwurm]

DesmondMiles wrote...

@ Deathwurm & Addai67 thanks for the help guys, i just downloaded them gonna play them tonight after some guitar pratice haha i havn't played NV in a while so it would be good to step back into the world of fallout

Have fun! They're both pretty cool experiences

I have finally started down The Lonesome Road! Too early for anything important to have happened but it looks cool so far.