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[Blacklash93]

Imperial Sentinel Arian wrote...
I liked Honest Hearts, Old World Blues and Lonesome Road, but Dead Money is just too painful to play again!

Liked all except Honest Hearts, although I found the thought of tribal Mormons hilarious. The Burned Man turned out to be pretty shallow and two-dimensional and the finale was horribly anti-climactic.

Dead Money was good even though the Villa got confusing and frustrating to navigate, especially if you wanted to find everything.

[DarkDragon777]

I'm worried that Bethesda will screw up Fallout 4 like they did with 3. I'd prefer Obsidian make it...


On a side note, I liked all the DLC except Honest Hearts.

Modifié par DarkDragon777, 09 juin 2012 - 02:17 .

[Blacklash93]

DarkDragon777 wrote...

I'm worried that Bethesda will screw up Fallout 4 like they did with 3. I'd prefer Obsidian make it...

How about Bethesda develop it but with the Obsidian writers? Ahh...

Obsidian has better (not perfect) and deeper writing, but Bethesda is much better and more experienced at crafting and designing open-worlds with atmosphere. Bethesda is also a few steps better with bugs and if Alpha Protocol is any indication their gameplay feels significantly more solid.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 09 juin 2012 - 02:26 .

[DarkDragon777]

Blacklash93 wrote...

DarkDragon777 wrote...

I'm worried that Bethesda will screw up Fallout 4 like they did with 3. I'd prefer Obsidian make it...

How about Bethesda develop it but with the Obsidian writers? Ahh...

Obsidian has better (not perfect) and deeper writing, but Bethesda is much better and more experienced at crafting and designing open-worlds with atmosphere. Bethesda is also a few steps better with bugs and if Alpha Protocol is any indication their gameplay feels significantly more solid.

I agree with you to an extent. I actually vastly prefered the Mojave's design to the Capital Wasteland. I'd prefer that Obsidian design everything and then Bethesda just sweep through it for bugs, glitches, polish, etc.

[termokanden]

I hated Dead Money at first but I have learned to like it. Very atmospheric. Harder than most of the game. Great loot. Unfortunately it has a few crap areas that really detract from the experience (like the parts covered in poison gas so you can't explore properly).

Honest Hearts was quite enjoyable. Didn't care much about the story in it to be honest, but the area was pretty cool. Worst part about it would be the stupid workbench crates that may or may not contain skill books. I hate that kind of thing so much I don't even know where to begin. I'll just leave it alone for now I guess.

Old World Blues I found pretty hilarious, but somehow the area didn't seem all that interesting to me. Too much of the same. The weapon rewards are pretty crappy if you ask me. At least you get some nice perks instead.

Lonesome Road I haven't tried yet. I am working on a new character that'll go there.

Modifié par termokanden, 09 juin 2012 - 02:52 .

[naughty99]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

Its really too bad we had no fallout 4 news at E3. But oh well.

Probably some kind of announcement at VGA awards, I'm guessing release date at the end of 2013 to coincide with next gen consoles.

[chunkyman]

DarkDragon777 wrote...

I'm worried that Bethesda will screw up Fallout 4 like they did with 3. I'd prefer Obsidian make it...

Bethesda's writing department is so terrible that I can't help but feel Fallout 4 will be a letdown compared to NV.

[termokanden]

chunkyman wrote...

Bethesda's writing department is so terrible that I can't help but feel Fallout 4 will be a letdown compared to NV.

Without making fun of Bethesda here, I'll have to agree that I am prepared for something worse than NV. I didn't actually think the writing was the problem in FO3. The world in NV is just more interesting and the gameplay mechanics are far better.

I still actually liked FO3 though so I'll definitely check out FO4.

[RedArmyShogun]

Meh I liked three a good deal. I love how some here go

"Bethseda can't make a good story waaaa!!!"

I remember when people said

"Lol Bioware can't make a bad story EVER!!!! BIOWARE IS THE BEST"

Yet who's crying/laughing now?

[Blacklash93]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

Meh I liked three a good deal.

FINALLY someone here that also liked Fallout 3.

I don't think 3's story was bad, either. New Vegas was better quality in dialogue and depth w/ C&C, but I liked the main story of FO3 better.

Things like that Bible passage being the premise of the main conflict. The final code to activate PP being the number of that passage. Your character's birthday being a reference to another Bible passage in Revelations that echoes of nuclear war. The whole Jesus role your character had going on. The irony in the concept of Megaton and the Lincoln Memorial being controlled by slavers. THAT was good stuff.

Also the radio and Three-Dog were better. If I have to hear "Johnny Guitar" again I'm going burn an elementary school down.

I actually vastly prefered the Mojave's design to the Capital Wasteland.

I didn't. A lot of the Mojave was railroaded with cliffs and invisible walls. Confusing interiors were an issue in many places. Navigating to and even inside the strip was incredibly frustrating without fast-travel locations in it. An entire segment of the east side of the map was cut off from you. Towns outside of the strip and Jacobstown were much less distinctive. And the vast majority of the Mojave was just an orange-tinted Capital Wasteland.

gameplay mechanics are far better.

Care to elaborate on this? The gameplay in NV was pretty much more of the same of FO3 with new weapons and perks. Ironsights were a huge plus, though. But really the gameplay being a little better wouldn't be that much of a surprise because Obsidian was using Bethesda's established systems and template. It can only get better from there and Obsidian didn't really do anything impressive with it.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 09 juin 2012 - 10:56 .

[Sparrow44]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

I remember when people said

"Lol Bioware can't make a bad story EVER!!!! BIOWARE IS THE BEST"

Oh there are people still in denial, they're still saying that.

As for F3 and NV, I think Obsidian took what Beth created with F3 (the game engine and mechanics, character models etc.) and just had fun with the setting and created a fun game. Fallout 3 which was new for Bethesda was more of them trying to create this real bleak environment and disturbing story of life after nuclear war.

Damn I need to play New Vegas again.

[RedArmyShogun]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

Meh I liked three a good deal.

FINALLY someone here that also liked Fallout 3.

I don't think 3's story was bad, either. New Vegas was better quality in dialogue and depth w/ C&C, but I liked the main story of FO3 better.

Things like that Bible passage being the premise of the main conflict. The final code to activate PP being the number of that passage. Your character's birthday being a reference to another Bible passage in Revelations that echoes of nuclear war. The whole Jesus role your character had going on. The irony in the concept of Megaton and the Lincoln Memorial being controlled by slavers. THAT was good stuff.

Also the radio and Three-Dog were better. If I have to hear "Johnny Guitar" again I'm going burn an elementary school down.

I didn't. A lot of the Mojave was railroaded with cliffs and invisible walls. Confusing interiors were an issue in many places. Navigating to and even inside the strip was incredibly frustrating without fast-travel locations in it. An entire segment of the east side of the map was cut off from you. Towns outside of the strip and Jacobstown were much less distinctive.

I pretty much agree with that. The only down fall in the game was the interface, and the characters. NV improved on those two alot. But the story in NV was "meh" I mean you have the option to work for/sleep with the guy who shot you in the head. I mean really?

But yeah moving on, Bethseda in the past didn't have good story mechanics, however with what we seen in Skyrim? A good number of the quests in that game you can remember. So Anyone that can look at the shooting mechanics in Fallout Three, which worked well enough, minus no Iron sights, then how they managed to improve on the interface with Skyrim, I would say they very well might make Fallout 4 into a great game.

Things in gaming changes, and rapdibly. BW being an example, you have others.

THQ used to be a juggernaut in gaming, more so in sports and wrestleing, EA took that. Megaman used to be a game people loved, but soon turned into an endless rehash joke. Duke Nukem which was once an icon, turned into a flop in his last game.

So how can anyone with skyrim and its DLC as the latest examples go "Meh Bethseda makes horrible Stories!!!!" Thats just being a huge fanboy.

[Addai]

I loved both games and don't care to argue about which is better.

[Barbarossa2010]

^Same here. Like 3 every bit as much as NV, and for a variety of reasons. I've been fighting my way through the Metro and DC subway systems the last few days, and have just completed Reilly's Rangers (so I can get my RBA). Ambience, environment, gameplay, RP; it's all there for me. This game is awesome, every bit as much as NV. I simply like them both for different reasons.

I understand others may prefer one over the other; but arguing preferences based upon something as subjective as personal taste, is pretty much an exercise in futility.

Bethesda simply makes games many of us like. Observing them actually improve their games (dare I say it?...especially in story elements, [all that's left for me is a kick ass companion system]), experiencing DLCs that are nearly as good as many developer's base games, watching them pack more and more content into each from iteration to iteration, and engage their fans humbly and appreciatively by giving them what they want and not nickle and diming them to death; all while the bulk of the rest of the industry is doing precisely the opposite, is quite a welcome thing for me.

FO3 or FONV? That's easy for me; both.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 10 juin 2012 - 12:01 .

[Barbarossa2010]

And on to a more interesting topic...What's a good player home mod to use that's functional for a reloader/crafter character? I'm getting a little fatigued living out of a f-in hotel room in Novac, and I don't want to move the story too far along yet (meaning alot of Strip activity--House, Yes Man, etc).

[Brockololly]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...
FO3 or FONV? That's easy for me; both.

I enjoyed both as well, but I'd pick NV over Fallout 3 pretty easily. NV felt more like a proper Fallout game storywise with more memorable and fleshed out characters that gave the Mojave a better feeling of a real place and not just a deserted wasteland.

And NV's handling of story in the DLC is about as perfect as has been done, providing an overarching narrative that connects in each DLC. Thats brilliant.

[Addai]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

And on to a more interesting topic...What's a good player home mod to use that's functional for a reloader/crafter character? I'm getting a little fatigued living out of a f-in hotel room in Novac, and I don't want to move the story too far along yet (meaning alot of Strip activity--House, Yes Man, etc).

I really like the Ragea122 Goodsprings shack.  It's tidy, functional, basic, and everything works as it should with no weird glitches (that I have found).

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Imperial Sentinel Arian wrote...
I liked Honest Hearts, Old World Blues and Lonesome Road, but Dead Money is just too painful to play again!

Liked all except Honest Hearts, although I found the thought of tribal Mormons hilarious. The Burned Man turned out to be pretty shallow and two-dimensional and the finale was horribly anti-climactic.

Dead Money was good even though the Villa got confusing and frustrating to navigate, especially if you wanted to find everything.

Everyone who be punished like TBM would become the man of God or a pure bastard. The amount of Pain directs one to one of those paths.
Still Honest Hearts > Dead Money

[Barbarossa2010]

Thanks Addai. That looks about right. I'll check it out.

[chunkyman]

I wonder what the chances are of Obsidian being allowed to make another Fallout...

It would please me greatly if they ever get to make another one.

[TheBlackBaron]

chunkyman wrote...

Bethesda's writing department is so terrible that I can't help but feel Fallout 4 will be a letdown compared to NV.

F:NV currently resides in my Top 5 games of all time, so...I'm not exactly making it easy for whoever develops the next Fallout game to make it -not- be a letdown compared to NV. 

Still, there's always Wasteland 2. 

[Blacklash93]

Imperial Sentinel Arian wrote...
Everyone who be punished like TBM would become the man of God or a pure bastard. The amount of Pain directs one to one of those paths.
Still Honest Hearts > Dead Money

I don't care how interesting TBM seemed in concept. He was unremarkable in excecution.

I do not see how anyone could like HH, tbh. It was boring and uneventful with nothing interesting going on. DM was a much more solid story.

[RedArmyShogun]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Imperial Sentinel Arian wrote...
Everyone who be punished like TBM would become the man of God or a pure bastard. The amount of Pain directs one to one of those paths.
Still Honest Hearts > Dead Money

I don't care how interesting TBM seemed in concept. He was unremarkable in excecution.

I do not see how anyone could like HH, tbh. It was boring and uneventful with nothing interesting going on. DM was a much more solid story.

DM was also a pain in the rump thanks to those collars. I got some enjoyment out of honest hearts mainly for the new weapons, and reading the Terminals located in the world. It cover a number of events, some far removed from the region. Which I'm not sure about those who loved the first games, but I liked three alot BECAUSE it got away from the west coast. Sadlly four is set to take place in the region again. I want to know what happend on the world stage.

[Barbarossa2010]

Addai67 wrote...

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

And on to a more interesting topic...What's a good player home mod to use that's functional for a reloader/crafter character? I'm getting a little fatigued living out of a f-in hotel room in Novac, and I don't want to move the story too far along yet (meaning alot of Strip activity--House, Yes Man, etc).

I really like the Ragea122 Goodsprings shack.  It's tidy, functional, basic, and everything works as it should with no weird glitches (that I have found).

Just installed it.  Perfect.  Exactly what I was looking for.  Thanks.

[Addai]

Good deal. It was just right for me, too. I don't need a palace that's pretty but doesn't work.