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[TobiTobsen]

Joy Divison wrote...

Question about the Come Fly With Me Quest.

The animation with the rocket doors opening and watching the rockets take off did not happen for me. Is this a harmless bug? Or is that the game telling me something went wrong with the rockets? I ask because I talked to the Chris guy and he seemed pretty pissed off that he was used and wasn't going ... so I'm wondering if that triggered him to do an act of sabotage or something.

The quest was marked as complete and the folks in Novac like me. But I'm not sure if its complete because Jason went where he wanted to go and there are no more ghouls roaming around or if the quest is complete because Jason's rockets crashed and there are no more ghouls roaming around. Is there any way to tell if the quest was completed in Jason's favor during the game?

Are the ghouls still in he hangar? If they are, it's a known bug.

No cut scene glitch: After handing over the 2nd item and telling Haversam to start, Jason Bright will start his speech but stop after one or 2 sentences. You will see all the ghouls lined up except Harland, who is wandering around the hangar. If you go up to the launch pad and press the button, cut scene music will start but no video of the rockets or the dome opening. You get the exp and Karma for the quest, though. If you go back down again, Haversam will still tell you the journey is about to begin, with no other options left to pick. Rockets will be gone
but all ghouls are still down in the hangar. It is believed the bug is triggered after you tell Haversam that he is not able to embark on the journey. After triggering this glitch it is possible to see the rockets fly past at a much faster speed from the hangar when you exit the building and start to walk down the stairs in front of the building leading to the road.

[*] Possible fix for PC: reset the quest in the console, to be safe do this outside the REPCONN facility. After that go back in, you will notice that you are still at the same point in the quest as you were. Head upstairs and launch the rockets. The Rockets will launch as intended.

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 14 janvier 2014 - 06:28 .

[LobselVith8]

Addai67 wrote...

Not that I like the NCR. The best thing about the indie ending (which I finished last night) was turning the tables on Oliver and telling them to go home.

I like having Yes Man toss him off Hoover Dam.

Addai67 wrote...

In one of the outcomes Hanlon becomes a Senator. Not that I think he could accomplish much even there.

He becomes the Senator of Redding if you don't dissuade him from his plan; my Courier did that with the independent route.

[Addai]

Lol, I wouldn't have minded tossing him, but I didn't want to start a fight with the rangers he was with so I put up with the little man. Also I don't blame him for being bitter. NCR did invest a lot in getting the dam running and in trying to conquer the Mojave. Just think about those poor bastards at Searchlight. Then to think you've finally got the legion on the run, only to be sent packing with nothing, that's pretty humiliating.

[TobiTobsen]

Addai67 wrote...

Lol, I wouldn't have minded tossing him, but I didn't want to start a fight with the rangers he was with so I put up with the little man. Also I don't blame him for being bitter. NCR did invest a lot in getting the dam running and in trying to conquer the Mojave. Just think about those poor bastards at Searchlight. Then to think you've finally got the legion on the run, only to be sent packing with nothing, that's pretty humiliating.

Oliver is probably more pissed because he will be known as the guy who lost the dam to a random courier. Not the way a glory hound like him wants to be remembered.

And the scene of him ragdolling down the dam is pretty hilarious

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 14 janvier 2014 - 07:40 .

[TopSun]

Addai67 wrote...

Lol, I wouldn't have minded tossing him, but I didn't want to start a fight with the rangers he was with so I put up with the little man. Also I don't blame him for being bitter.

TobiTobsen wrote...

Oliver is probably more pissed because he will be known as the guy who lost the dam to a random courier. Not the way a glory hound like him wants to be remembered.

Well, Mr. House states that Oliver has a 36.5% chance of committing suicide because of the publicly disgrace and such.

Modifié par Big-Boss687, 14 janvier 2014 - 08:37 .

[Joy Divison]

TobiTobsen wrote...

Are the ghouls still in he hangar? If they are, it's a known bug.

No cut scene glitch: After handing over the 2nd item and telling Haversam to start, Jason Bright will start his speech but stop after one or 2 sentences. You will see all the ghouls lined up except Harland, who is wandering around the hangar. If you go up to the launch pad and press the button, cut scene music will start but no video of the rockets or the dome opening. You get the exp and Karma for the quest, though. If you go back down again, Haversam will still tell you the journey is about to begin, with no other options left to pick. Rockets will be gone
but all ghouls are still down in the hangar. It is believed the bug is triggered after you tell Haversam that he is not able to embark on the journey. After triggering this glitch it is possible to see the rockets fly past at a much faster speed from the hangar when you exit the building and start to walk down the stairs in front of the building leading to the road.

[*] Possible fix for PC: reset the quest in the console, to be safe do this outside the REPCONN facility. After that go back in, you will notice that you are still at the same point in the quest as you were. Head upstairs and launch the rockets. The Rockets will launch as intended.

I havent gone back to the hanger yet but what you've got quoted sounds exactly like the problem.  So I'll go back in and check out the hanger.  I do have a PC, but am I unfamilair with the game and console command ... in new veags, how does one reset this quest?  Is it like Skyrim?

Modifié par Joy Divison, 14 janvier 2014 - 09:45 .

[TobiTobsen]

Joy Divison wrote...

I havent gone back to the hanger yet but what you've got quoted sounds
exactly like the problem.  So I'll go back in and check out the hanger. 
I do have a PC, but am I unfamilair with the game and console command
... in new veags, how does one reset this quest?  Is it like Skyrim?

I think so.

Open the console, type "resetquest (QuestID)" and it hopefully fixes your problem.

The quest ID for Come Fly With Me should be 00080664 if I'm not mistaken.

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 14 janvier 2014 - 10:12 .

[Joy Divison]

As it turns out, the hanger was empty: no rockets, no ghouls. Does this mean the quest was completed and they got to where they wanted to go?

Also I ran into my first Legionary Centenarian. He started throwing spears at me and I laughed. I then put a whole clip of ammo into him. As it turns out he was the only one laughing after that. Is their armor that good?.

Modifié par Joy Divison, 14 janvier 2014 - 10:27 .

[Barbarossa2010]

^Yes. High DT. Look for the shield flashing on your UI next to his health bar during combat. If it's not broken, he's not receiving the full effect if any (depending on your ammo/weapon) of your damage output. Break his shields (DT) and then you are doing full damage. Some ammunition is designed to negate DT.

BTW, was it just a lone Legionnaire? And are you vilified with the Legion? When, and if, you become vilified with the Legion, you can expect a hit squad of four to hit you randomly throughout the game, especially when you are in the eastern parts of the map...and at higher levels they use rapid fire weapons and do not miss.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 14 janvier 2014 - 11:38 .

[Barbarossa2010]

Joy Divison wrote...

As it turns out, the hanger was empty: no rockets, no ghouls. Does this mean the quest was completed and they got to where they wanted to go?

Also I ran into my first Legionary Centenarian. He started throwing spears at me and I laughed. I then put a whole clip of ammo into him. As it turns out he was the only one laughing after that. Is their armor that good?.

Check you're quest log. That will tell you if Come Fly with Me was completed. As for 'did they get where they wanted to go'...I'm not sure that happens even if everything goes perfect.

[Barbarossa2010]

BTW, after doing a little reading, Come Fly with Me and the REPCONN facility are heavily reported bugged quests/areas with corrupted saves being the result. I usually bug out somewhere throughout this myself. Supposedly this is due to faction scoring (why and how...I do not know), but to fix it supposedly you should leave, do another quest that changes anything in your faction score, then come back, and it will work and save properly.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 14 janvier 2014 - 11:59 .

[Master Warder Z_]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...
 
*SNIP to prevent walls of text*
 

 

Excellent and well thought out defense of the Legion, Its ideology and its Leader.
 
In fact so well done i feel ever so slightly dillussioned considering that many of these agruments would have been similar to the one i would have attempted to use.
 
Personally? Caesar seems to be the best fit for actually restoring some semblence of long term order and stability to the region while at the sametime ensuring its population protected and strenghend by having a localized martial body.

 
I think long term order and stability are the exact things you cannot expect of a Legion society. All in game evidence seems to suggest the exact opposite once Caesar is gone. Is there a plan for a transfer of power, or is the inner circle supposed to fight to the death to determine the heir apparent and consolidate power? That's an even messier affair than democratic processes. And one that's far more unpredictable than the latter.
 
One has to almost assume significant reform in any argument for the Legion.  And there’s not much to go on in trying to envision such reform, not to mention just how much would be necessary, where the Legion may no longer be the Legion.
 

House is content to let the armies of the West hover at his door and merely bleed them dry; But he fails to consider the implication in his reign if the Legion ever did merely withdrawl. The NCR would rapidly overcome the Mojave and while it likely would utterly collapse in the process it would unleash even further regional chaos with a wandering and directionless Horde.
 
House himself realizes the importance of Caesar whom directs the Legion and hence his desire for him to remain alive until the final battle and thus the Legion wouldn't distintergrate in his backyard thus further inflaming the situation.

 
Hence, why I see the hallmark of the Legion as instability. House knows it. He's the smart guy here. It cannot endure as it is. Just how much of it has to change or pass away in order for it to be stable? An unstable foundation is not something upon which to build your house (no pun intended).  
 
Again, one has to assume reform, and while Caesar seems to intimate such, its difficult see when you watch slave girls carrying overloaded packs, terror in Nipton as their primary form of cultural engagement, the destruction of family units in favor of breeding factories, and the wiping out tribal identities in order to force assimilation. Any defense of these practices gets turned on its head the moment your wife or daughter are drug off in the middle of the night to service legionnaires in a breeding factory.

That's not the stuff of stability, that is the hatchery of revolution. And that is how systems are judged, not necessarily by the view of the visionaries of such. Sure, you can kill and coerce your way to stability and power, many have done it, and even get by with overwhelming force to suppress opposition...for awhile, but eventually you will run out of the energy required to maintain a system of brutality. Then long suppressed impulses will be back in force to bite you right square in the ass. Karma really is a beeotch.
 

The NCR is a crumbling relic by the time of New Vegas.
 
Their economy is weakened and still eeking on from the transition to Water from Gold for the backing of their currency, their Government and upper class are very divided and corrupt, With social upheaval occuring rather regularly back within California according to a few individuals and with open revolution being a possiblity occuring in the new future.

 
And there's virtually no economy in the Legion. Where's the property? Where's the incentive, other than fear, to do anything? Everything is in service to the absolute center and re-distributed as they see fit. I haven't done a Legion playthrough, (I will have to attempt that at one point--just struggling with a character outlook at present) but the only legion trader I ever encountered was at fortification hill...and he wasn't technically legion. Are there others? Or is the Courier, in perfect irony, required to rely on the services of the profligate society they're opposed to, in order to properly outfit him or herself outside of legion issued skirt and spears?
 

That said they have their Pros and Cons; The NCR like the Legion presents the possiblity for stablizition, an eventual future and some semblence of order. But the baggage that goes along with it seems to outweigh it at least in my eye, having a society that throughly corrupt in charge of managing yet even more territory when their own territory is already crime and strife ridden seems to just be adding more weight to an already broken foundation.
 
My main point is, As horrid and brutal as life is under the Legion it is indeed life.

 
And that's where we would disagree. Life as a slave is no life at all. What's my purpose?...to serve the state. Very Orwellian. It's the whole die on your feet or live on your knees argument. I fail to see any life worth living in total subservience to the whims of a tyrant. I fail to see any "life" at all for a woman forced into a breeding factory whose sole purpose is to reproduce.
 
I've said it before:
 
The Legion is a relapse and total regression in the face of serious environmental stress.  Now if someone believes that survival is the prime directive, and any means is a justification for that end; that stability is the end game for society, even if it means the most meager and pallid of existences for the "survivors" or “citizens” of such a system, then society groveling at the feet of tyrants and bending over to the will of dictators has its appeal…so long as YOU are one of the ruling elite or part of the enforcement arm of such a system.
 
Just ask the guy whose lost a wife or daughter to Legion slavery, much less the women themselves. I don't think they'd agree there's much to live for.
 

Crime, Corruption, Self interest and anything else detracting from society are brutally and utterly purged but this is merely the current stage of the Legion, before it reaches its ultimate Anthesis as Caesar explained it. Whom is to say what the Legion will ultimately resemble?
 
That said even in its current state it beats Anarchy, House or the NCR by a wide Margin.

 
Anarchy sounds like heaven by comparison. Just my view.

The Evidence in this case is the ramblings of Traitors and Enemies of the Legion and even if you take them at face value all you need do is merely look at the Legion Post Caesar if they win; Lanius assumes the mantle with little to no difficulty from whatever the powers that may be residing within Flagstaff.

Admittedly Lanius is sort of the Darth Vader of the Legion and is thus universally feared and respected through it, so his unification would hardly be an issue to begin with but that said it disolving merely because its founder and guide dying seems to fall flat on its face when he does indeed fall but it merely resumes marching.

Caesar is driven, Ideological and brilliant but he is merely a man and mortality ecompasses mankind after all.

We apparently view a world where Nukes ended civilized society in a flash of light for nearly a century or more depending upon what you view as "civilized" diffrently. Personally i think a society, even a massively Ultitarian Autocractic Hegemony that promotes survival at any cost would be well suited to the wastes, But if you want to hold abstract concepts of liberty, freedom and what have you over survival that is your choice.

Its just i doubt the majority of the FO universe would agree considering most are uneducated, illiterate and so socially and culturally stunted that the Legion even with its own all consumptive culture would be a blessing.

And the Anarchy which was caused by the bombs dropping is what resulted with the Legion even being needed to begin with 

[Master Warder Z_]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

[...] the Legion even being needed to begin with 

And this is your logical fallacy.

The only thing that needs the Legion is the Legion.

I used to get that claim alot during my debates but instead of merely blowing it off as i normally would given that i already know the statement wasn't what you claim i will instead reply.

If you care to explain how that statement follows the rules of Fallacies i will be interested because it wasn't an illegitimate argument or irrelevant point given that it was directly linked to the topic at hand and my entire post up to that point was in fact giving them my "evidence" of claim, as much so as speculation on a fictional universe can allow of course.

Furthermore if in your perspective my agrument in this case for a strong stabilizing body needed to pacify the wasteland doesn't attribute this to the immense martial body that the Legion represents that is your own perspective and i will not attempt to sway it but dismissing it out of hand and offhandedly labeling it a logical fallacy when in truth it violated NONE of the requirements of said slander isn't something i would go around slinging.

._.

So in conclusion if you can present your evidence of my claim fitting the bill so to speak do so, if not i would kindly ask you not to merely label agruments you disagree with in such a insulting manner.

[Addai]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

^Yes. High DT. Look for the shield flashing on your UI next to his health bar during combat. If it's not broken, he's not receiving the full effect if any (depending on your ammo/weapon) of your damage output. Break his shields (DT) and then you are doing full damage. Some ammunition is designed to negate DT.

BTW, was it just a lone Legionnaire? And are you vilified with the Legion? When, and if, you become vilified with the Legion, you can expect a hit squad of four to hit you randomly throughout the game, especially when you are in the eastern parts of the map...and at higher levels they use rapid fire weapons and do not miss.

They're tough but they made me rich. And it was pretty satisfying leaving high-ranking legionaries strewn about the wasteland.  Bring it Eddie.

Sorry to hear about the bugs with Come Fly Away. Never had any myself, all in all I got pretty lucky on most things. The only thing I find buggy is the Strip, companions sometimes get stuck there so I've taken to parking them in Freeside before I head in.

[Barbarossa2010]

^Very rich. I'm ecstatic when I see Legion hit squads coming. All I see are caps at this point. High level Legionnaire drops give me a good reason to use the half billion weapon repair kits I've crafted up to that point. Fully repaired marksman carbines and assault rifles are worth a ton!

[dreamgazer]

TobiTobsen wrote...

<3

[Giggles_Manically]

I find it honestly weird that Raul treats the Courier like they are stupid.
At least his comments make it seem that way.

It is just honestly weird that he seems to find the Courier dumb.
Then again that could just be his sense of humor.

[Barbarossa2010]

Master Warder Z wrote...

*SNIP* for brevity.

The Evidence in this case is the ramblings of Traitors and Enemies of the Legion and even if you take them at face value all you need do is merely look at the Legion Post Caesar if they win; Lanius assumes the mantle with little to no difficulty from whatever the powers that may be residing within Flagstaff.

Admittedly Lanius is sort of the Darth Vader of the Legion and is thus universally feared and respected through it, so his unification would hardly be an issue to begin with but that said it disolving merely because its founder and guide dying seems to fall flat on its face when he does indeed fall but it merely resumes marching.

Caesar is driven, Ideological and brilliant but he is merely a man and mortality ecompasses mankind after all.

We apparently view a world where Nukes ended civilized society in a flash of light for nearly a century or more depending upon what you view as "civilized" diffrently. Personally i think a society, even a massively Ultitarian Autocractic Hegemony that promotes survival at any cost would be well suited to the wastes, But if you want to hold abstract concepts of liberty, freedom and what have you over survival that is your choice.

Its just i doubt the majority of the FO universe would agree considering most are uneducated, illiterate and so socially and culturally stunted that the Legion even with its own all consumptive culture would be a blessing.

And the Anarchy which was caused by the bombs dropping is what resulted with the Legion even being needed to begin with 

Best speech check ever...







Freedom and personal liberty are hardly abstractions for anyone suffering under the boot of tyranny with zero possibility to change their situation, whether it be in the FO universe or our very own. Just saying. 

And the Legion was not necessarily needed, they were a response to serious environmental stress. A very bad response in my view...the prototypical response of the predatory strong over the weak...atrocity committed in the name of "stability" and "safety." To me, the Legion is just a repeat of errors, especially a repeat of old errors that say, well, maybe we need to eradicate or cleanse MORE thoroughly this time to ensure total stability and unquestioning obedience to the whims of the ruling elite. Naw, I see Caesar more like Cook Cook than civilizational visionary...certainly smarter and more organized, but still a thug.          

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 15 janvier 2014 - 04:02 .

[Addai]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I find it honestly weird that Raul treats the Courier like they are stupid.
At least his comments make it seem that way.

It is just honestly weird that he seems to find the Courier dumb.
Then again that could just be his sense of humor.

I think the latter, though it seems to be a ghoul thing to patronize. Keely does it, too. I guess after the second century you're allowed a little cynicism.

And how come we didn't get to throw Lanius off the dam? Or would that be too Burning Man?

Modifié par Addai67, 15 janvier 2014 - 04:12 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Addai67 wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I find it honestly weird that Raul treats the Courier like they are stupid.
At least his comments make it seem that way.

It is just honestly weird that he seems to find the Courier dumb.
Then again that could just be his sense of humor.

I think the latter, though it seems to be a ghoul thing to patronize. Keely does it, too. I guess after the second century you're allowed a little cynicism.

And how come we didn't get to throw Lanius off the dam? Or would that be too Burning Man?

Is lightning him on fire with a flamer good enough? 

[Joy Divison]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

^Yes. High DT. Look for the shield flashing on your UI next to his health bar during combat. If it's not broken, he's not receiving the full effect if any (depending on your ammo/weapon) of your damage output. Break his shields (DT) and then you are doing full damage. Some ammunition is designed to negate DT.

BTW, was it just a lone Legionnaire? And are you vilified with the Legion? When, and if, you become vilified with the Legion, you can expect a hit squad of four to hit you randomly throughout the game, especially when you are in the eastern parts of the map...and at higher levels they use rapid fire weapons and do not miss.

He was in a Ranger camp that Andy from Novac wanted me to check out.  Yeah, I've noticed having the right ammo makes a difference, but ammo isn't easy to find.  Where's the best place to do some shopping.

And I ran into a young deathclaw ... it was a little south of the ant mound.  I placed 5 or 6 frag mines and it ran over all of them.  They just pissed it off and all of them did like 1 sliver of damage - and I have a high explosive skill 

[Giggles_Manically]

Nothing beats walking into Death Quarry Junction and seeing ALL THE DEATH CLAWS

Especially when low level...like in my first game...

[LobselVith8]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

And how come we didn't get to throw Lanius off the dam? Or would that be too Burning Man? 

Is lightning him on fire with a flamer good enough? 

Never tried that. Last time, I turned Lanius to ash with the Holorifle. An envoy of Vegas, indeed.

I guess the damn throwing is reserved for Oliver. Fun times.