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[Br3admax]

General Slotts wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

"Venturing out and fighting," implies that this what they will do no matter where they go which is A) False, and besides the point. The NCR, the Legion, and House, all nation strength factions, mind you, are the only faction that really pose really sort of challenge to them, and I've always handled them when dealing when I want to deal with the BoS. Finally, them staying underground hasn't made anything better, so who are they preserving this technology for? Their corpses.

I may be wrong but aren't they "protecting humanity" by confiscating all advanced weaponry they come across. Which I guess holds some water when it comes to big things like Archmides, but other than that, yeah they wasting there time.  

No. They confiscate all techonology because they want it for themselves. It has nothing to do with protecting humanity.

And even with Archmides they didn't have the manpower to keep it, so I agree they need to get some new priorites. 

An entire army came and attacked one group, and they held their ground for a long time comparitively. I doubt the Vipers could come through and repeat the process the NCR did.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Br3ad wrote...

No. They confiscate all techonology because they want it for themselves. It has nothing to do with protecting humanity.

That's definitely true, I don't buy the idea of the Codex and their code of honor. They hide behind those things to cover up their true purpose. How coincidental that they only collect dangerous military technology. 

Br3ad wrote...

An entire army came and attacked one group, and they held their ground for a long time comparitively. I doubt the Vipers could come through and repeat the process the NCR did.

Maybe not the Vipers, but I wouldn't put it past the Legion to do the same as the NCR. 

[SlottsMachine]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

No. They confiscate all techonology because they want it for themselves. It has nothing to do with protecting humanity.

That's definitely true, I don't buy the idea of the Codex and their code of honor. They hide behind those things to cover up their true purpose. How coincidental that they only collect dangerous military technology. 

Air quotes guys. Air quotes. 

[Joy Divison]

Where's the key to the reactor room in vault 34? I've looted every enemy (including the overseer and the vault technician who was next to the reactor room) and the game says I don;t have it.

Edit: Nevermind.  I initially thought "open reactor door" would screw the survivors over.

Modifié par Joy Divison, 05 février 2014 - 07:45 .

[Garrus Vakarian45]

I think the NCR are dong the right thing and Mr. House is crazy. If hoover dam was owned by them, they could just give the water to the people. Mr. House just wants power and to control for his selfish reasons. The BOS needs to come out of the shadows and recruit as well. If strong enough and in greater numbers, they could overthrow the NCR and caesars legion easily. Laser weapons, power armor, and excellent leadership would make them really formidable. Well they don't have Liberty Prime, but they are still strong regardless. Whatever happened to the Enclave after Fallout 3?

[Addai]

One disappointment of the game was never seeing that family again if you choose to save them. Or do you? I'm still finding out things I didn't know about the game, so this could be one.

About how radiation works, you still see the ticktick because that's just letting you know that the area is hot and by how much, but rad resist equipment affects how much actually accumulates (which you can check on your Pip Boy under Info- Status - RAD).

It's a good thing companions are rad immune. That would be bad if you had to divvy out RadAway.

About the Brotherhood: I like how if you tell Yes Man you want to ignore them or made an agreement with them, he cheerfully says "never mind that according to Mr. House's calculations, they're our number one threat." I figure that's because reinforcements could show up one day.

[Giggles_Manically]

Well Mr House hates them because they are a direct threat to him.
His robots, his plans, and his life support are all things they would pinch.

Though he does express quite a large amount of disgust with them calling them tech hoarding elitists who live in the past like knights of yore.

I think some people have a hard time siding against them because in FO3 they were the good guys and not all that bad...but in NV they are not. Like in TES some people cant side against the Empire because they were the good guys in like the last 4 games...kinda. Plus their Emperor was Patrick Stewart!

Their ending slides are all about them taking tech from people again or attempting to grab Helios One again.

Sad but...I can see Mr House and Yes Man being right about getting rid of them as they are a threat.

I guess their time really has passed because the NCR, Legion, and House are all growing out and are far larger then they are.
I mean damn Veronica even mentions that the Fiends and Legion guys lacking Power Armor or lots of Energy Weapons give the NCR a harder time than the BOS did.

[Barbarossa2010]

Addai67 wrote...

One disappointment of the game was never seeing that family again if you choose to save them. Or do you? I'm still finding out things I didn't know about the game, so this could be one.

About how radiation works, you still see the ticktick because that's just letting you know that the area is hot and by how much, but rad resist equipment affects how much actually accumulates (which you can check on your Pip Boy under Info- Status - RAD).

It's a good thing companions are rad immune. That would be bad if you had to divvy out RadAway.

About the Brotherhood: I like how if you tell Yes Man you want to ignore them or made an agreement with them, he cheerfully says "never mind that according to Mr. House's calculations, they're our number one threat." I figure that's because reinforcements could show up one day.

You do...or can. I actually found them by accident on my first playthrough. If you save them, they insta-travel to the Aerotech Office Park, near the Sharecropper farms; and you can talk to them. One of those weird NV consequences that you may never find out about unless you're lucky or extremely thorough.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 05 février 2014 - 08:34 .

[Splinter Cell 108]

Addai67 wrote...

About the Brotherhood: I like how if you tell Yes Man you want to ignore them or made an agreement with them, he cheerfully says "never mind that according to Mr. House's calculations, they're our number one threat." I figure that's because reinforcements could show up one day.

They probably would send reinforcements, the way I see it there's two parties that could gain from the NCR and the Legion destroying each other, those are House and the Brotherhood. If the NCR and the Legion get kicked out of New Vegas, the only significant faction left is the Brotherhood, they haven't been in battle with anyone for a long time. They've got a foothold and a secret base which few people know about. I'd imagine House would eventually start to create his own human military force to fight along his Securitrons, but that doesn't exist yet.

If the California Brotherhood decided to send reinforcements, I'd bet they'd smash House's Securitrons, those robots can't be enough to fight them if you ask me. Who would stop them anyway? The NCR would probably be bankrupt and the Legion would be in the process of collapsing(at least if Caesar and Lanius are dead). They'd have the territory and technology to make their own nation. They'd be fools not to seize that opportunity, aside from that I'd bet that with Independent New Vegas, the families and the other factions would probably try to fight each other to take over. The Brotherhood could roll over them all with their technology. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Addai67 wrote...

One disappointment of the game was never seeing that family again if you choose to save them. Or do you? I'm still finding out things I didn't know about the game, so this could be one.

About how radiation works, you still see the ticktick because that's just letting you know that the area is hot and by how much, but rad resist equipment affects how much actually accumulates (which you can check on your Pip Boy under Info- Status - RAD).

It's a good thing companions are rad immune. That would be bad if you had to divvy out RadAway.

About the Brotherhood: I like how if you tell Yes Man you want to ignore them or made an agreement with them, he cheerfully says "never mind that according to Mr. House's calculations, they're our number one threat." I figure that's because reinforcements could show up one day.

In reply to the BOS reinforcements idea.

Improbable in the extreme for several reasons.

The majority of the South Eastern Chapters have been obliterated by the Legionaries and the Malpais Legate under Caesar decades ago, The one's back in California aka their Bread Basket and were they were founded were destroyed by the NCR during Operation Sunburst and their War against the BOS.

With the Legion expanding into New Mexico and Texas in the events of NV assuming if anything is left from the Texas Expedition (Assuming you even count said expedition as canon) would likely fall to the Legion as well.

When it comes down to it? There is nothing remotely close to reinforcements coming for the Mojave Chapter.

As Veronica said they are a splinter of a shrinking group.

Their a fragment, a rusty bulkhead on a sinking ship.

Their time has passed and rightfully so.

This is the time for the Legion.

Morte  Sive Victoria 


That's right i just used Latin 

[Master Warder Z_]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

About the Brotherhood: I like how if you tell Yes Man you want to ignore them or made an agreement with them, he cheerfully says "never mind that according to Mr. House's calculations, they're our number one threat." I figure that's because reinforcements could show up one day.

They probably would send reinforcements, the way I see it there's two parties that could gain from the NCR and the Legion destroying each other, those are House and the Brotherhood. If the NCR and the Legion get kicked out of New Vegas, the only significant faction left is the Brotherhood, they haven't been in battle with anyone for a long time. They've got a foothold and a secret base which few people know about. I'd imagine House would eventually start to create his own human military force to fight along his Securitrons, but that doesn't exist yet.

If the California Brotherhood decided to send reinforcements, I'd bet they'd smash House's Securitrons, those robots can't be enough to fight them if you ask me. Who would stop them anyway? The NCR would probably be bankrupt and the Legion would be in the process of collapsing(at least if Caesar and Lanius are dead). They'd have the territory and technology to make their own nation. They'd be fools not to seize that opportunity, aside from that I'd bet that with Independent New Vegas, the families and the other factions would probably try to fight each other to take over. The Brotherhood could roll over them all with their technology. 

The California BOS has been demolished you realized? The Majority of the BOS-NCR War was fought within Califonia and is the very reasoning for the Mojave Chapter's existance. They were part of Eliajah's Exepedition to secure Hoover Dam, Helios etc to provide needed resources to continue the fight. Didn't matter in the end though.

Anywho the BOS is nearly a dead beast and that is in my opinion for the best.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Master Warder Z wrote...

The California BOS has been demolished you realized? The Majority of the BOS-NCR War was fought within Califonia and is the very reasoning for the Mojave Chapter's existance. They were part of Eliajah's Exepedition to secure Hoover Dam, Helios etc to provide needed resources to continue the fight. Didn't matter in the end though.

Anywho the BOS is nearly a dead beast and that is in my opinion for the best.

So? They still exist, the possibility of reinforcements is not out of the question. In fact the battles may have stopped in the West, but that doesn't mean the war is over. There was no treaty, nothing whatsoever. I don't remember anyone saying that the Mojave Brotherhood existed because of the war. I think it'd be pretty stupid of them to send men over to the Mojave when they're fighting a war in California. If I remember correctly Christine came from California, not the Mojave. 

They're not dead, and the fact that everyone wants them dead is evidence that they're a threat, in the Mojave and in California. 

Modifié par Splinter Cell 108, 05 février 2014 - 10:33 .

[Master Warder Z_]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

The California BOS has been demolished you realized? The Majority of the BOS-NCR War was fought within Califonia and is the very reasoning for the Mojave Chapter's existance. They were part of Eliajah's Exepedition to secure Hoover Dam, Helios etc to provide needed resources to continue the fight. Didn't matter in the end though.

Anywho the BOS is nearly a dead beast and that is in my opinion for the best.

So? They still exist, the possibility of reinforcements is not out of the question. In fact the battles may have stopped in the West, but that doesn't mean the war is over. There was no treaty, nothing whatsoever. I don't remember anyone saying that the Mojave Brotherhood existed because of the war. I think it'd be pretty stupid of them to send men over to the Mojave when they're fighting a war in California. If I remember correctly Christine came from California, not the Mojave. 

They're not dead, and the fact that everyone wants them dead is evidence that they're a threat, in the Mojave and in California. 

Eh looking back on some of my sources i apparently did mispeak, Elijah was the elder of the Mojave although that conflicts somewhat with the accounts Veronica gave in game...But that is a matter for me to hash out with the fine folks of the FO wiki.

The War within the Core Region is still somewhat ongoing according to Sawyer but the purpose for that statement is clear.

He wants the BOS to be around in the future, Makes sense i guess if you write storyboards for factions and what have you that you would still want them to exist, but for the most part and even his lore supports me on this.

As far as the WestCoast is concerned the BOS is dead.


An Except from the FO wiki which i incidently wrote the Initial description of ages ago.

The Brotherhood enjoyed a considerable advantage during the early years of the war, as their advanced technology and high standards of training allowed them to inflict tremendous losses on the NCR's military. However, the NCR had a far larger pool of manpower from which to draw troops, while the Brotherhood remained a selective organization, allowing the NCR to easily replace its losses while the Brotherhood became desperate. The Brotherhood fought fiercely, but in the end the NCR's numbers prevailed, and the Brotherhood forces were overwhelmed, forcing them into hiding. Having lost the surface, the Brotherhood prepared themselves to fight to the death as the NCR began to invade their bunkers.As the Mojave Chapter of the Brotherhood of Steel operated freely among the wastes around New Vegas for several years, they were extremely frustrated when the NCR dispatched troops to the Mojave, although they initially restrained themselves from getting involved in the war. In 2274, the NCR set its sights on the Mojave chapter of the Brotherhood of Steel, led by Elder Elijah, and sought control of their main base, HELIOS One. In2276, the NCR attacked HELIOS One and Elijah ordered his troops to protect the facility. After taking heavy losses, the Brotherhood retreated to Hidden Valley and have since remained in exile. The NCR success at HELIOS One is credited to their superior numbers (a 20:1 ratio), and the difficulty of defending the location.

 fallout.wikia.com/wiki/NCR-Brotherhood_War

As i said Sawyer has confirmed that the core regions war is ongoing but again to me? That's just him trying to scoop some fragments of the orginization together so they can be present when FO takes us back to where it began and where it is best The Mojave, California and the Core Regions. Considering the NCR has been pumping men into this fight for decades and considering that the war was looking bleak when the NCR was actually penetrating into their bunkers after their initial successes on the surface (after irradiating their gold supply and crippling the NCR economy to the present day) You have a very bleak, unwinnable situation for them.

Even with Caesar bearing down on them in the Mojave and losing more then a thousand troops a year in the Mojave due to the war with the Legion, You still have possessing the largest armed forces outside of the lands of Caesar and considering this is a war of numbers? Well...It won't end well for them.

So short of the East Coast BOS magically appearing one day and raining down orbital strikes on the NCR's strongpoints and major fortifications the death of the Western Brotherhood is a matter of time, a situation of when rather then if. So assuming that the BOS chapters back within California are still active in engagement against the NCR that is an unwinnable situation for them.

Heck those power armor wearing idiots will still be shooting at the NCR mooks until the Legionaries arrive and strap both of butts to the cross.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Whether they have been losing the war or not, does not mean they have disappeared. Out of all the factions in Fallout the Brotherhood has been alive the longest. I doubt they'll disappear just yet. Besides, its only if House or Yes Man take over that the Brotherhood could actually benefit from anything in the Mojave. If the Legion or the NCR won, I doubt they could afford to fight them.

The NCR can't do everything, that's already proven in New Vegas, I doubt they're fighting the Brotherhood and the Legion at the same time, and if they are then that's pretty much confirmation that the BoS is most likely alive and well. I doubt they could afford to take on both the Brotherhood and the Legion at the same time.

[Master Warder Z_]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Whether they have been losing the war or not, does not mean they have disappeared. Out of all the factions in Fallout the Brotherhood has been alive the longest. I doubt they'll disappear just yet. Besides, its only if House or Yes Man take over that the Brotherhood could actually benefit from anything in the Mojave. If the Legion or the NCR won, I doubt they could afford to fight them.

The NCR can't do everything, that's already proven in New Vegas, I doubt they're fighting the Brotherhood and the Legion at the same time, and if they are then that's pretty much confirmation that the BoS is most likely alive and well. I doubt they could afford to take on both the Brotherhood and the Legion at the same time.

Erm But they have been fighting the Legion and Brotherhood at the same time, Colonel Moore herself is fresh from her most recent campaign against the BOS back in California in fact and she speaks of her battles against them if asked.

Did you read the link provided? If so if you looked upon "conflict" status you would see "ongoing"  rather then concluded.

._.

And the Legion has already crushed several chapters as they marched through the Southeast, You ever notice the Power armor sections on Centurion armor? Ever wonder where they got it? The Legion has the numbers and skill to obliterate any singular BOS chapter in their path as they have proven before.

And incorrect the Enclave is by far the oldest faction within FO.

It is literally an orginization that has existed in some form from the time of the Pre War American government to the Current day.

Anywho as amusing as it pushing dead factions back into the muck the BOS topic is really starting to get dull.

[Giggles_Manically]

Well few of the factions in New Vegas get really wiped out.

There will always be some hidden vault or bunker they can pull out claiming that the Enclave/BOS/etc was hiding there or something.

Funnily enough the only BOS chapter that is really doing well is in the Capital Wasteland.
Looks like Owyn Lyons gets the last laugh on his fellows after all.

[Master Warder Z_]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Well few of the factions in New Vegas get really wiped out.

There will always be some hidden vault or bunker they can pull out claiming that the Enclave/BOS/etc was hiding there or something.

Funnily enough the only BOS chapter that is really doing well is in the Capital Wasteland.
Looks like Owyn Lyons gets the last laugh on his fellows after all.

Indeed although i personally am looking forward to meeting the Enclave again FO 4 if the rumors are to be believed what with the hint being dropped about (Mark two Power armor) and all. 

I think Beth heard the fans about the criticism levied at 3 for the game teasing about a possible PC joining of the Enclave but then that path being yanked out. Got to admit...Fell in love with the Enclave long time before the Legion ever came to be.

I was sort of like "Meh" about stopping the entire time i was replaying future FO 2 runs. Because if i am telling the truth?

Pure, Pre War strain humans? Not polluted by the muck, radiation and genetic mutations that have turned the human race into a viable septic tank? T_T Evil game making me destroy this!

And who knows how the previous two years have treated them? They seemed to be doing fine as of the end of Broken Steel...Assuming the Citadel wasn't flattened anyway. Fortunes shift and change in the wastes quickly though, it wouldn't be surprising to me if another threat reared it self rather quickly after the defeat of the Enclave.

Also in future games i hope they address my questions involving the Enclave within FO3 Notably the "Command" Mentioned at Adams Airforce base.

This is after the deacitvation, destruction and or burial of President Eden mind you so i have always been curious of who was remotely directing the Enclave forces within the area.

That has made me ponder and wonder for Years admittedly even more so considering nothing was ever spoken about it again.

Modifié par Master Warder Z , 05 février 2014 - 11:44 .

[Splinter Cell 108]

Master Warder Z wrote...

Erm But they have been fighting the Legion and Brotherhood at the same time, Colonel Moore herself is fresh from her most recent campaign against the BOS back in California in fact and she speaks of her battles against them if asked.

Did you read the link provided? If so if you looked upon "conflict" status you would see "ongoing"  rather then concluded.

._.

And the Legion has already crushed several chapters as they marched through the Southeast, You ever notice the Power armor sections on Centurion armor? Ever wonder where they got it? The Legion has the numbers and skill to obliterate any singular BOS chapter in their path as they have proven before.

And incorrect the Enclave is by far the oldest faction within FO.

It is literally an orginization that has existed in some form from the time of the Pre War American government to the Current day.

Anywho as amusing as it pushing dead factions back into the muck the BOS topic is really starting to get dull.

They said Colonel Moore has had 3 tours against the Brotherhood, they never said she had been fresh from. Come on, you can't really expect them to fight both the Brotherhood and the Legion at the same time, a war on two fronts, if the NCR is falling apart by just fighting the Legion. That the war isn't over doesn't mean they're battling each other across California. I'd bet most of the NCR's troops are in the Mojave right now, not in California. If they are really fighting the Brotherhood in California, then they must not be doing too well since their sole advantage which is numbers is not there anymore.

That paragraph pretty much confrims what I said, that they're still alive and well. If they can still afford to be at war, regardless of being actively hostile or not against the NCR, then they must not be as weak as you claim. 

I don't know where you came up with the Legion destroying any BoS chapters, to claim that they did just because Centurions wear a piece of power armor on their outfit is pretty baseless. They could've found that anywhere, it does not mean that it came from the Brotherhood. Power armor is not exclusive to them. 

Its obvious you missed the point I was trying to make with the Brotherhood being old. They've had to endure worse than anything the Enclave has ever had to endure. In fact have they ever faced any serious threat? No, they started as a secret organization with money, technology and security, even then they were defeated and seriously crippled the first time they faced a real threat. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Erm But they have been fighting the Legion and Brotherhood at the same time, Colonel Moore herself is fresh from her most recent campaign against the BOS back in California in fact and she speaks of her battles against them if asked.

Did you read the link provided? If so if you looked upon "conflict" status you would see "ongoing"  rather then concluded.

._.

And the Legion has already crushed several chapters as they marched through the Southeast, You ever notice the Power armor sections on Centurion armor? Ever wonder where they got it? The Legion has the numbers and skill to obliterate any singular BOS chapter in their path as they have proven before.

And incorrect the Enclave is by far the oldest faction within FO.

It is literally an orginization that has existed in some form from the time of the Pre War American government to the Current day.

Anywho as amusing as it pushing dead factions back into the muck the BOS topic is really starting to get dull.

They said Colonel Moore has had 3 tours against the Brotherhood, they never said she had been fresh from. Come on, you can't really expect them to fight both the Brotherhood and the Legion at the same time, a war on two fronts, if the NCR is falling apart by just fighting the Legion. That the war isn't over doesn't mean they're battling each other across California. I'd bet most of the NCR's troops are in the Mojave right now, not in California. If they are really fighting the Brotherhood in California, then they must not be doing too well since their sole advantage which is numbers is not there anymore.

That paragraph pretty much confrims what I said, that they're still alive and well. If they can still afford to be at war, regardless of being actively hostile or not against the NCR, then they must not be as weak as you claim. 

I don't know where you came up with the Legion destroying any BoS chapters, to claim that they did just because Centurions wear a piece of power armor on their outfit is pretty baseless. They could've found that anywhere, it does not mean that it came from the Brotherhood. Power armor is not exclusive to them. 

Its obvious you missed the point I was trying to make with the Brotherhood being old. They've had to endure worse than anything the Enclave has ever had to endure. In fact have they ever faced any serious threat? No, they started as a secret organization with money, technology and security, even then they were defeated and seriously crippled the first time they faced a real threat. 

Four actually;Her fourth tour occured before her placement in the Mojave. Again if you don't believe me go over her text files and it is there plain as day.

And Caesar himself speaks of talking with BOS scribes and considering Scribes rarely are encountered within the Wastes in ideal situations its likely if not propable that the Legion has encountered them. Furthermore he continues with the statement of the BOS back east not knowing of their founder Maxson which again could only come from fairly detailed conversation, that coupled with the Power armor seems obvious that the Legion has met and destroyed at least one chapter.

I said chapters merely because i doubt there was only one in the lands of Caesar what with him controlling all of Arizona, New Mexico, Portions of Colorado and Utah.

And presumptions aside considering that the BOS elders of the West are silent is all the proof i need to view them as either dead or disabled from the war to the extent that their own selection and process of intragration into society that they will cease to be an effective faction at least while the NCR controls California, The Core Regions and portions of Mexico. You can agrue that they aren't waging a continious battle but in my eye? The fact that they are not and yet soldiers are still asigned to battle them proves otherwise.

Furthermore the NCR army is a large beast, insanely large for a Post War faction but it is capable of waging a war on two fronts at least when one front is in their own backyard and the other one is abroad my point is this. My conception of the war is that as long as it stated ongoing by Sawyer the more unlikely any BOS revival in California is.

And the Enclave has survived its war with the BOS, NCR and Choosen One, It later made a trek that many in the world of FO would consider impossible considering a nation wide trek would be extremely dangerous and time consuming but the point of the matter is. The Enclave has survived and returned and it will do so again, Unlike the BOS in California which is in the process of destruction.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Fine, lets agree to disagree, because this will end up nowhere, I could refute all of that, but its pointless anyway, I do believe the Brotherhood will disappear eventually, I think they have a better chance than the Enclave though, even if I think the Enclave is probably more willing to deal with other factions.

I'm not ruling out the possibility of reinforcements, if the war is still going on and the NCR comes back with its tail between its legs, don't you think the Brotherhood would attempt to do whatever was necessary to get back on its feet, now that it has a chance? I mean look at Independent Vegas, as soon as the NCR gets kicked out, they go after Helios One.

[Master Warder Z_]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Fine, lets agree to disagree, because this will end up nowhere, I could refute all of that, but its pointless anyway, I do believe the Brotherhood will disappear eventually, I think they have a better chance than the Enclave though, even if I think the Enclave is probably more willing to deal with other factions.

I'm not ruling out the possibility of reinforcements, if the war is still going on and the NCR comes back with its tail between its legs, don't you think the Brotherhood would attempt to do whatever was necessary to get back on its feet, now that it has a chance? I mean look at Independent Vegas, as soon as the NCR gets kicked out, they go after Helios One.

By all means; Refute away.

Seriously i am actually interested in how you can refute textfiles from game dilogue in the base game where moore states she just came from California fighting the BOS before being transfered to the dam.

To the secondary point.

Presuming the Courier hasn't or later will not destory them in the Mojave as well? Destroying Hidden Valley is fairly easy considering the BOS was so thoughtful and reactivated the Bases Self Destruct device and even enabled it.

And again we circle the same agrument if the BOS is still in the process of war with the NCR then reinforcements coming in the direction of the Mojave seems a tad bit far fetched to me.

But ultimately? The BOS is exactly what Caesar labeled it, a Dead End.

Their refusal to intergrate with Local Populaces, Contribute to the betterment of the wasteland and actually find a place in society has made their order become pointless as stability has risen over the wastes, the time when they could actually contribute and aid in the common peoples lives has ended.

Now you have States, Governments and differing models of thinking emerging, Survival while still at the forefront of thought is now being placed back as needs are met by manufacturing and mass production. The Legion, NCR and even the Great Salt Lake Raider tribes have become beyond the limited spectrum of the BOS.

They sought to Horde, Hide and Outlast the world, All they did was make it easier to kill them.

Unless if you factor in the "Lawful Good" BOS on the East-Coast which was even more annoying in my book.

[Splinter Cell 108]

What dialogue? I don't remember her every saying any of that and I've never seen any text files of it. The most I've ever heard of her and the brotherhood is what the NCR soldiers say about surviving four tours. They never state when she was assigned to Hoover Dam, if anything it was probably before 2077, when the first battle took place. That was a long time ago. You keep bringing that up, show me the exact lines and then I'll believe it. 

You can say what you want about the Brotherhood, but they have done more than the Enclave and survived worse things. The Enclave never had to face the super mutants. The Brotherhood has face the NCR, the Enclave, the Super Mutants and probably much more, if the way they came to be is true. I don't like them but they're certainly more resilient than the Enclave, which has had everything and more than the Brotherhood. 

Modifié par Splinter Cell 108, 06 février 2014 - 02:13 .

[Master Warder Z_]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

What dialogue? I don't remember her every saying any of that and I've never seen any text files of it. The most I've ever heard of her and the brotherhood is what the NCR soldiers say about surviving four tours. They never state when she was assigned to Hoover Dam, if anything it was probably before 2077, when the first battle took place. That was a long time ago. You keep bringing that up, show me the exact lines and then I'll believe it. 

You can say what you want about the Brotherhood, but they have done more than the Enclave and survived worse things. The Enclave never had to face the super mutants. The Brotherhood has face the NCR, the Enclave, the Super Mutants and probably much more, if the way they came to be is true. I don't like them but they're certainly more resilient than the Enclave, which has had everything and more than the Brotherhood. 

And i did notice that was the only prompt you brought up, Can you truely refute them all or was that merely a turn of praise?

baseid001206fc/Dilogue
That's the prompt command to bring up ALL of her dilogue, responses and etc.

Enjoy.

The Enclave fought Super Mutants and even created a few at Mariposa and right, The BOS is basically a dead faction from facing all those opponents and you are stating it like it is a title of strength. If they hadn't fought in fights they had no business fighting they wouldn't be limping or rather speeding towards destruction depending upon how you view it.

And done more? Really? Has the BOS enginnered and reversed strained its own mutagen format for FEV, Came up with a delivery system and prepared to unleash it upon the world all the while fighting off everything trying to stop it? Has it made its own variants of Power Armor, Updated techology like the Enclave? Or does it mrely reuse prewar relics, can it make new items or does it merely scavenge? 

That's the difference between the Enclave and BOS, they have understanding and context along with resources.

They can actually rebuild the old world, unlike the BOS who hide in their holes in the ground until the PC drops a hand grenade in.

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[Splinter Cell 108]

 You gave me an Id, Colonel Moore's Id, that doesn't really bring up anything. I don't know what command I'm supposed to use in the console to get her dialogue to come up and I've never ever heard of anyone doing that but I may be wrong. However, I searched her dialogue on my own and found out she never talks about anything of what you mentioned.

Here are two videos that cover all of her dialogue: 

Video 1 dialogue starts at 0:08

Video 2 look at 1:21 and 7:21.

There was no mention of any of that anywhere I checked. I don't know what it is that you want me to do with her id numbers, spawn her or something because I can't really thin of how to get that to do anything.

As for the Enclave, ask yourself one thing. Would they have done any of that if they didn't have any of the technology they did? They never  had to face the problems of the wasteland, they didn't have to worry about radiation, they had their little cozy hideout with production facilities, food, guns, supplies. Is it really a surprise that they did all that? I'd say its more surprising that their presence in both the Capital Wasteland and the West Coast has been completely obliterated. Is the Brotherhood still around? Yes. Is the Enclave? Nope, maybe somewhere else, but not in the places that are important anyway and no one knows anything about them, I guess your conclusion is valid here too, since we don't know anything about the Enclave, they must all be dead. 

That is the last I will say of this, I've given my points, not going to repeat myself anymore, I'd rather play the game. The videos are there, and that is all the evidence I need. If this is cut dialogue, some easter egg or something hidden then does it really count?

Modifié par Splinter Cell 108, 06 février 2014 - 03:19 .

[Barbarossa2010]

Well, just cleared out the Legion from Cottonwood Cove. Of course, as we approached, Boone warned me that "if he sees Crimson, he's taking the shot"...my response was to give him a Gobi Campaign Rifle we just picked up at the sniper's nest.

Watching slaver, fanatic rock throwers being blown sky high through the scope of an Anti-Materiel Rifle from a great distance is enough to put a smile on anyone's face! Legion probably ought to have embraced technology a little more I suppose.

Problem was I ended up killing one of the slaves (the young girl) with shrapnel or something. I was using explosive rounds, but I didn't take a shot anywhere near that slave cage. Once all was quiet, I walked up, saw the young girl was dead, and the slave dude call me a murderer or something. What a db. Wouldn't even let me disarm his slave collar. But the other lady was smart enough to let me disarm hers and she ran to freedom. Dude took off after her and lost his head. Jeez.

I let it play out as was. Figured one was better than none. Interesting how a game can make you feel like a total $#!+ with the consequences of unintended actions.

Anyway, just finished up speeding along the Legion's self-destruction. "In Damnatio Memoriae" my ass Kai-Zar! Its up to Legate Lanius now...against an army of Securitrons...he he.

Ah well, time to visit the Sierra Madre.