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[Decepticon Leader Sully]

carefull you may be mistaken for an Elf inquisitor.

[o Ventus]

Bit disappointed that its Bethesda whose doing FO4, i wasn't a fan of how they did FO3, hopefully it won't be too much of a static "TES with guns & just 1 ending" as that game was, id be happy if they just didn't f**k with the lore again like FO3 having the Enclave still being incredibly strong & the B.O.S being paragons of justice who defend regular wastelanders

 

The Capital Wasteland Brotherhood splintered off from the mainstream Brotherhood to become protectors and wage war against the Vault 87 Super Mutants. The Brotherhood who inhabit the Citadel and the Brotherhood Outcasts both mention this at least a hundred times apiece. They didn't change any lore or retcon anything.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

The Capital Wasteland Brotherhood splintered off from the mainstream Brotherhood to become protectors and wage war against the Vault 87 Super Mutants. The Brotherhood who inhabit the Citadel and the Brotherhood Outcasts both mention this at least a hundred times apiece. They didn't change any lore or retcon anything.

That was mostly wasted tho, if i remember correctly the Outcasts hardly appear apart from the occasional patrol fighting Enclave forces/mutated animals.

[o Ventus]

That was mostly wasted tho, if i remember correctly the Outcasts hardly appear apart from the occasional patrol fighting Enclave forces/mutated animals.

 

It isn't as if the Outcasts exactly rival the Citadel Brotherhood in numbers. They're pretty heavily outnumbered by the main branch, and still fighting raiders and Super Mutants. They already don't take in people to bolster their numbers, so it isn't as if you're going to run into very many of them when there aren't very many of them to begin with.

[SmilesJA]

The Outcasts are closer to the Brotherhood out west. Xenophobic, but harmless (Unless you have technology around them.)

[MisterJB]

Fallout 4's protagonist. Should it be more like the Lone Wanderer or the Courier?

 

That is to say, should he have a fixed backstory or should it be left blank?

 

Personally, I'm hoping for a fixed backstory. Ultimately, it just allowed for a much deeper connection, not just to the PC but to the Wasteland and its people.

The Mojave Wasteland was some place I was passing through and decided to get involved in. The Capital Wasteland was home.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

I say a flexable backstorry. you came from random direction 1 did thing x and ect.

then the player fills in the Blanks. sure have facts you were the seventh son of a seventh son ect 

[Sifr]

The Outcasts are closer to the Brotherhood out west. Xenophobic, but harmless (Unless you have technology around them.)

 

The Brotherhood in the Mojave are completely harmless now... ever since I snuck into their bunker and set the self-destruct, as revenge for their massacre of the peaceful members of that FotA outpost, just because they didn't want Veronica to join them?

 

I was kind though, I didn't hack the defence turrets, so they at least had the chance to run...

 

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Nah i got free stuff from them.

[Jehuty]

The mister sandman perk.... lots of caps came from the BoS. 

 

I like the Enclave better than the BOS. 

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

im more N.C.R they helpd makeing my RP easy. no one played but it helped.

[o Ventus]

 

I like the Enclave better than the BOS. 

Err, why? They have literally zero redeeming factors. In a series that otherwise prides itself on grey morality, the Enclave (and the Legion) are as hilariously corrupt and morally black as they come.

 

Their entire mission statement is to take over and assimilate, and literally anyone who isn't already a member of the Enclave or from a Vault is a "mutant" (and thus will be shot on sight and killed).

[Jehuty]

Err, why? They have literally zero redeeming factors. In a series that otherwise prides itself on grey morality, the Enclave (and the Legion) are as hilariously corrupt and morally black as they come.

 

Their entire mission statement is to take over and assimilate, and literally anyone who isn't already a member of the Enclave or from a Vault is a "mutant" (and thus will be shot on sight and killed).

Is it wrong to like the bad guys? I actually love the evil military faction. The Enclave are badass and the only reason they lost in Fallout 3 purely was because of plot. They could have easily wiped the floor with the BOS but the writers wouldn't let that happen. I also like the Legion since they're a tad bit different and interesting to me, unlike the NCR. 

 

But we can go on about what ifs all day. Lore wise, the Enclave lost to the BOS and was finished by a combined offensive, if I remember correctly. 

 

I just don't like the BOS much. 

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Rumour has it 4 will include the Reavers.

[o Ventus]

Is it wrong to like the bad guys? I actually love the evil military faction. The Enclave are badass and the only reason they lost in Fallout 3 purely was because of plot. They could have easily wiped the floor with the BOS but the writers wouldn't let that happen. I also like the Legion since they're a tad bit different and interesting to me, unlike the NCR. 

 

But we can go on about what ifs all day. Lore wise, the Enclave lost to the BOS and was finished by a combined offensive, if I remember correctly. 

 

I just don't like the BOS much. 

 

The Enclave, by all accounts, shouldn't have even existed in 3. Not to the scale and size that they appeared to be in, in 3, anyhow.

 

How are the Legion interesting? They're misogynistic Luddite slavers who will degenerate into tribes who kill each other after Caesar dies. They're just any other group of bandits and raiders, only larger in number and wearing football helmets and pads for armor (which is still hilarious 5 years after New Vegas' release).

[Barbarossa2010]

The Legion?

A martial society of dumb ass slaver misogynists who are raised to believe they are special (well...if you're a guy) because they speak a couple of phrases of Latin, to engender a fanaticism extreme enough to charge a .50 Cal with rocks and spears, all the while wearing sports equipment...

...and those are their redeeming qualities.

However the Legion sees themselves and their "society", a life of scratching out a living in the dirt and fighting raiders and radscorpions by comparison would seem a glorious and fulfilling existence.

I personally find it best to swim the Colorado with Boone, kill Caesar and his lieutenants where they live, and hasten the inevitable.

[o Ventus]

The Legion?

A martial society of dumb ass slaver misogynists who are raised to believe they are special (well...if you're a guy) because they speak a couple of phrases of Latin, to engender a fanaticism extreme enough to charge a .50 Cal with rocks and spears, all the while wearing sports equipment...

...and those are their redeeming qualities.

However the Legion sees themselves and their "society", a life of scratching out a living in the dirt and fighting raiders and radscorpions by comparison would seem a glorious and fulfilling existence.

I personally find it best to swim the Colorado with Boone, kill Caesar and his lieutenants where they live, and hasten the inevitable.

 

It's funny because they do all of the same things that your typical band of raiders do (and they claim to loathe raiders). They wander around and wantonly murder people on a good day, and literally crucify entire towns on a bad day just to make a point. It's heavily implied (and by "heavily implied", I mean all but confirmed with the subtlety of a sledgehammer with a lit stick of dynamite strapped to it) that they rape the slave women on a regular basis. The only thing separating them from bandits is that they "protect" caravans that travel in their territory. And by protect, I mean that their sheer savagery deters highwaymen and other bandits form bothering merchants and traders in Legion turf.

 

Literally everybody in the Legion besides Caesar himself is a second-class citizen. Unless you're a slave, then you're third-class. Or a woman. Women are sub-human to the Legion. They try to embody ancient Rome but fail miserably in every single aspect. They are truly, legitimately, incompetent, and the Wasteland is a better place if each and every single one of them is exterminated and any remnants of their history erased.

 

Why anybody would side with the Legion (aside from doing it for the achievements/trophies) is beyond me. New Vegas really tries hard to push the "nobody is really a villain; it's all shades of grey" angle, but the Legion invalidate all of that.

[Fidite Nemini]

 

Their entire mission statement is to take over and assimilate, and literally anyone who isn't already a member of the Enclave or from a Vault is a "mutant" (and thus will be shot on sight and killed).

 

They must have very busy women, or how do they think to avoid population stagnation and inevitably degrowth?

[SmilesJA]

Why anybody would side with the Legion (aside from doing it for the achievements/trophies) is beyond me. New Vegas really tries hard to push the "nobody is really a villain; it's all shades of grey" angle, but the Legion invalidate all of that.

 

I find them to be glorified raiders. The Legion tries so hard not to be like the Raiders, but in the end they're not much different. I still can't wrap my head as to why a woman would side with the Legion.

[Fidite Nemini]

I find them to be glorified raiders. The Legion tries so hard not to be like the Raiders, but in the end they're not much different. I still can't wrap my head as to why a woman would side with the Legion.

 

I for one did it with my female Courier. It certainly helped that my character was basically a massive troll, always screwing with people. Joining the Legion was like the ultimate dickmove, not only to the Mojave as a whole, but to the Legion itself which now has to deal with a woman of all things, throwing their misogynistic ideology straight back into their faces just by existing, being there and holding authority (nevermind being able to punch the ever-loving sunlights out of anyone around (yup, unarmed build!)).

[Barbarossa2010]

Breeding is very important to the Legion...and yes child-bearing age women are quite busy punching out little fanatics (or future breeders) that will never know their mother, no family but the 'glorious' Legion, and no father but Caesar.

Like I said earlier, swim the Colorado, preferably with a guy with a huge Legion chip on his shoulder, and end it. FO moral gray went out the window with the Legion.

[o Ventus]

Breeding is very important to the Legion...and yes child-bearing age women are quite busy punching out little fanatics (or future breeders) that will never know their mother, no family but the 'glorious' Legion, and no father but Caesar.

Like I said earlier, swim the Colorado, preferably with a guy with a huge Legion chip on his shoulder, and end it. FO moral gray went out the window with the Legion.

 

I would say that it went out the window all the way back in Fallout 2 with the Enclave.

[bmwcrazy]

I'm a woman, I also like alcohol and drugs, so Legion can GTFO of my Vegas.

[PresidentVorchaMasterBaits]

I've been recently playing an old play through on Fallout 3 just for fun. I've already done the missions and DLC, maxed out skills, etc. but just using up my surplus of ammunition. I'm eventually going to start a new game. As for New Vegas, my first play through I immediately despised the Legion. My character was a jerk but even he wouldn't stand for slavers and rapists so I killed them on sight any chance I got. I was vilified pretty quickly and early in the game lol. They kept sending hit squads after me and I would just melee them to a pulp.

 

The NCR are cool in my book. I ended up helping them in the end. Next play through I'm going to be super selfish. 

[AventuroLegendary]

The Legion's only redeeming factor is its ability to exert "peace" over a large mass of land. 

 

But you could argue the same thing for the Mongol Empire. I don't find the "make it a desert and call it peace" methodry all that compelling, especially not for an "empire" that is doomed to fall and let anarchy swallow the world again.

 

As for the Enclave, I actually like them. Not as a well-written faction but as cartoonish villains and a twisted take on the US government. A villain doesn't necessarily have to be deep to be entertaining, especially not in a somewhat goofy sequel to Fallout. The same can be said for the Legion, although the previous games never tried to make the Enclave a choice.