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Volus Warlord wrote...

If it was a racial struggle why would he kill those of his own race..? He'd be after those of "impure" ones first..

It seems more politically motivated than anything. His actions were an attempt to use violence to influence politics.


Like I stated in my last post, it is likely that he hates the left wing politics. That definetily explain why he would target the president of Norway (social-democrat0 and an island that is property of the Labour party.

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Volus Warlord wrote...

If it was a racial struggle why would he kill those of his own race..? He'd be after those of "impure" ones first..

It seems more politically motivated than anything. His actions were an attempt to use violence to influence politics.

Given kids from other races were there he may have seen them all as race traitors. His blog has alot of hate for multicultrualism. Plus, vote for us or we'll kill your child, doesn't exactly win Votes.  After all in **** Germany, even if it was thought you had 1/4th of any thing that wasn't German it could get you a class C citizenship which was worth a little more than being a slave. And SS men and the like were known to be heavily against racial frantinization. So thus if its aimed at what I suspect then those of his race to him would be unclean ones. Or maybe even in his eyes "sacrifices to the cause." as the IRA and other groups have used to justify civilian losses in bombings.

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KenKenpachi wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

If it was a racial struggle why would he kill those of his own race..? He'd be after those of "impure" ones first..

It seems more politically motivated than anything. His actions were an attempt to use violence to influence politics.

Given kids from other races were there he may have seen them all as race traitors. His blog has alot of hate for multicultrualism. Plus, vote for us or we'll kill your child, doesn't exactly win Votes.  After all in **** Germany, even if it was thought you had 1/4th of any thing that wasn't German it could get you a class C citizenship which was worth a little more than being a slave. And SS men and the like were known to be heavily against racial frantinization. So thus if its aimed at what I suspect then those of his race to him would be unclean ones. Or maybe even in his eyes "sacrifices to the cause." as the IRA and other groups have used to justify civilian losses in bombings.


Well, those people in the SS were huge hypocrites, considering the mass rapes in Eastern-Europe in WW2.

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Lol what Racial Suprimists wasn't, or people in general? Even "Good Ole" Strom Thurmond of South Carolina had a illegt black daughter. And the FBI Constantly remarks no matter on which group it is (KKK or Black Panthers, triads, Ms13, etc) have multi racial porn. Just as Bin Laden did who ****ed at the west for it. Only the Foot Soldiers stay true to any cause for the most, and they are the ones that do the dying. Or when and if they win don't get crap for it but used in the end.

There are expceptions to the rule of course. But in general with most people its "do as I say not as I do".

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Darn shame, but what are you gonna do? Sh*t like this happens all the time...

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Heh, so true. It is sad though. Then again, as they say: "In war, truth is the first casuality". However, soldiers are paid to shoot, not to ask whether a war is justified, right? Still, it is sad that people have to die just because someone thinks his/her ideology is superior.

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In any case even if its BS reasons he's "fighting" for or anyone for that matter, kids are never a target. Unless actively fighting you, never


I am very curios when this whole we must protect children above all else **** start...cause most certainly in WW2 no one cared when civilians were targeted by air strikes regardless of age.

The Guy picked a target where he knew it was going to be easy to kill as many people as possible. I don't get his reasons behind it though...to do what exactly? Throw his life away to go behind bars...send a message or what? I doubt he had any real gripe with who those kids were anyway...they were just a target for his goal I suppose.

Oh and for those suggesting he should be killed, you do realize there is a justice system, but hey it's totally cool to appease the masses and LYNCH people for whatever reason. Yeah when a government gives in to that then it will be anarchy.

 Still, it is sad that people have to die just because someone thinks his/her ideology is superior.


That's how every war begins.

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Costin_Razvan wrote...

In any case even if its BS reasons he's "fighting" for or anyone for that matter, kids are never a target. Unless actively fighting you, never


I am very curios when this whole we must protect children above all else **** start...cause most certainly in WW2 no one cared when civilians were targeted by air strikes regardless of age.

The Guy picked a target where he knew it was going to be easy to kill as many people as possible. I don't get his reasons behind it though...to do what exactly? Throw his life away to go behind bars...send a message or what? I doubt he had any real gripe with who those kids were anyway...they were just a target for his goal I suppose.

Oh and for those suggesting he should be killed, you do realize there is a justice system, but hey it's totally cool to appease the masses and LYNCH people for whatever reason. Yeah when a government gives in to that then it will be anarchy.

 Still, it is sad that people have to die just because someone thinks his/her ideology is superior.


That's how every war begins.


In WW2 most parents in Britain sent their children countryside with trains, because those locations weren't very likely to get hit. Go back to school and learn some history will you? God, I hate it when people recite historic facts incorrectly.

And yep, that guy was completely crazy. However, I agree on the lynch part. It would be way to easy for him, he'll suffer more if he has to spend the rest of his pitiful life behind bars.

And well, war... war never changes. [/Ron Perlman]

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In WW2 most parents in Britain sent their children countryside with trains, because those locations weren't very likely to get hit. Go back to school and learn some history will you? God, I hate it when people recite historic facts incorrectly.


Oh yes, because the fact parents sending their children away has ANYTHING to do with my statement that I made which was: PEOPLE WERE BEING TARGETED INDISCRIMINATELY.

Do you honestly think the Allied Air Command cared they could have killed or were killing children? But do please refresh me on World War 2, it's not like I haven't spent years of my life studying history.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 23 juillet 2011 - 07:21 .


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There is a difference here, in the conduct of War. Bombing a city to stop its means of production while some may say crule is acceaptable. Machines are ran by men, no men to run the machines or tend the fields means no food or arms for the other side, meaning faster capitulation. However purposly sending Commando's in with the sole goal of killing Childrend and Villagers is not. As to your Anarchy remark. Funny the State Of North Carolina has a Death Penalty, and we seem to be running just fine. Hell leveling a town with Artillery thats fortified by the enemy is no problem, to me the blood is on the enemy's hands for not meeting us in the field or removing the civilian population. However if its not, and is an open town, short of gaining supplies you should go out of your way to NOT harm the population. Unless you want Partisains in your rear area's who hate you, another important leason from all periods of warfare.

Though back on your WW2 topic, it should be noted for the most those bombings were rather useless and German war production reached its peak out pacing all other years of the war combined, in 1945. When most German Industry centers were leveled. In effect short of population subjecation and rule via the fear of force, killing civilians purposely is counter productive. But in War, while it may make the inhabitants resent you if you blow up a factory or kill the doctors, if you murder there children intentially, that will only breed hostility and contempt.  In fact the Commander of the US Bomber Command was known to have wept at all the men and machines wasted on the bombing missions for no gian what-so-ever.

As Stated, if they are fighting you its not a bad thing. In the battle of Okinawa, the Japanese had Children walk up to GI's with bombs straped to them in an attempt to kill the American's one that worked rather well, my Grandfather had first hand accounts of these, and coming from a man with two silver stars, and Five bronze stars, he stated that was one of the hardest things he had to do. And what had to be done should be obvious. In fact the Japanese use of such tactics lead to American Reprisals, which my own grand father had to threaten his own men with death to keep them from taking part in. And part of that was 2 in 3 Japanese women in Okinawa were raped. Nevermind thefts and vadalism.

But its far better to offer the carrot while holding the stick on an enemy population, than it is to hold the carrot and give the stick. Unless you want to go to the Extent that Ghengis Khan and Alexander did. And thats kill every living thing in a region that stands against you. The Great Khan was no stranger to building mountians of Skulls be it women, children, men, women, horses, goats, cats, and, dogs. It should be noted while his Empire was stable, it didn't last hardly over 80 years.

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Costin_Razvan wrote...

In WW2 most parents in Britain sent their children countryside with trains, because those locations weren't very likely to get hit. Go back to school and learn some history will you? God, I hate it when people recite historic facts incorrectly.


Oh yes, because the fact parents sending their children away has ANYTHING to do with my statement that I made which was: PEOPLE WERE BEING TARGETED INDISCRIMINATELY.

Do you honestly think the Allied Air Command cared they could have killed or were killing children? But do please refresh me on World War 2, it's not like I haven't spent years of my life studying history.


Well, this is what you said: "I am very curios when this whole we must protect children above all else
**** start...cause most certainly in WW2 no one cared when civilians
were targeted by air strikes regardless of age."

People did care, because they tried to protect their children by sending them countryside. Does this answer your question? And no, I've no time to go teach people to lazy to learn stuff. There is something called "teh internetz" for that.

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Hm, come to think of it, this thread has gone horribly off-topic...

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Cailean wrote...

Hm, come to think of it, this thread has gone horribly off-topic...


It will probably Wooanized shortly.

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"Facepalm": I meant those who were bombing them, not those who were getting bombed....sigh.

killing civilians purposely is counter productive.


Which is exactly what happened in that war on both sides. We both know it did very little to help the war effort, but hell let's do it anyway for the lulz...that was the mentality for bombing runs in that war. They knew very damned well how inefective their bombs were at hitting targets.

The Great Khan was no stranger to building mountians of Skulls be it women, children, men, women, horses, goats, cats, and, dogs. It should be noted while his Empire was stable, it didn't last hardly over 80 years.


That had more to do with the fast expansion then the system upon which he built his empire on Building an empire is something that should be done progressively....if you build it too fast ( like Ghenkis did ) and do not have rulers just as great as the guy who built it for let's a period of around 3 centuries so things get stable then it's all going to collapse.

That's why the Byzantines lost Italy when Justin II ruled, why the Umayyad Caliphate died after Muawiyah I died and some goes for the Mongol Empire...an Empire so vast it almost rivaled the British Empire at it's height.

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Costin_Razvan wrote...

"Facepalm": I meant those who were bombing them, not those who were getting bombed....sigh.

killing civilians purposely is counter productive.


Which is exactly what happened in that war on both sides. We both know it did very little to help the war effort, but hell let's do it anyway for the lulz...that was the mentality for bombing runs in that war.

The Great Khan was no stranger to building mountians of Skulls be it women, children, men, women, horses, goats, cats, and, dogs. It should be noted while his Empire was stable, it didn't last hardly over 80 years.


That had more to do with the fast expansion then the system upon which he built his empire on Building an empire is something that should be done progressively....if you build it too fast ( like Ghenkis did ) and do not have rulers just as great as the guy who built it for let's a period of around 3 centuries so things get stable then it's all going to collapse.

That's why the Byzantines lost Italy when Justin II ruled, why the Umayyad Caliphate died after Muawiyah I died and some goes for the Mongol Empire...an Empire so vast it almost rivaled the British Empire at it's height.


I'll quote again: I am very curios when this whole we must protect children above all else **** start...cause most certainly in WW2 no one cared when civilians were targeted by air strikes regardless of age."

How am I supposed to know you ment the bombers? You said NO ONE, which implies you mean everybody, INCLUDING the civie's. I can't read your mind ya know...

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Ah I figured you were in favor of just killing them all my bad. And no actully Ghengis Empire was actully very stable, but the manner in which it was brought about did leave lingering hatred for the Mongols, given the uprisings that swept up as soon as its power wained. Which happend because of what the Khan warned his replacements of. However at least it forced Russia and China from smaller states into the nations we know of today. And well brought the black plauge to Europe that in the end helped build a medical establishment. It seems we always do get some progress out of War.

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Volus Warlord wrote...

Cailean wrote...

Hm, come to think of it, this thread has gone horribly off-topic...


It will probably Wooanized shortly.


Yeah, most likely. Still, I'm surprised the mods allowed it to remain open as long as it did.

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And no actully Ghengis Empire was actully very stable, but the manner in which it was brought about did leave lingering hatred for the Mongols, given the uprisings that swept up as soon as its power wained.


That stability only lasted until rebellions rose up, I hardly call that stable. Let alone the full blow civil war.

However at least it forced Russia and China from smaller states into the nations we know of today. And well brought the black plauge to Europe that in the end helped build a medical establishment. It seems we always do get some progress out of War.


That's how it goes really.

The 100 year war brought standing armies for both England and France. The conquest of Gaul by Caesar led directly to the Roman Civil war which led to the formation of the Roman Empire.

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What...what happened to this thread?

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Totally derailed...

... Now locked.