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[Soahfreako]

4 minutes is ample time to look up a part in a recently watched video. Also, it's entirely plausible to think that TIM isn't commanding the indoctrinated Cerberus. He's a smart man but that doesn't transfer to his followers. He obviously ordered his team to study the base and bring back the tech (I.E. Retribution) so those that worked with it would be indoctrinated. Then it would be a simple process of having the indoctrinated ones convert the ones that haven't been indoctrinated.

[bboynexus]

I agree with you, Kev. The implications are far more complex than many are assuming.

Soahfreako wrote...

4 minutes is ample time to look up a part in a recently watched video.

I assure you, Soah, I have very good retention.

Modifié par bboynexus, 23 juillet 2011 - 06:33 .

[Soahfreako]

marshalleck wrote...

I'll just point out that the Jedi in KOTOR was sure they were tracking down Revan and his star maps.

Whooops

Absolutely no relevence what-so-ever. 

[Soahfreako]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Do the controls feel tighter than ME2? How is the new cover system? Are there any kinks in the combat you noticed?

 
The new controls like the roll and cover mechanics worked quite well I believe, there were times where I would try to get into cover but would roll at it instead, but it is a demo and a fix is forseeable.

[marshalleck]

Soahfreako wrote...
Then it would be a simple process of having the indoctrinated ones convert the ones that haven't been indoctrinated.

Except it wouldn't be that simple, because the indoctrination would be contained to the cell that went to the base. One Cerb cell doesn't know anything about the others. Only TIM himself knows every Cerb operation.

[marshalleck]

Soahfreako wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

I'll just point out that the Jedi in KOTOR was sure they were tracking down Revan and his star maps.

Whooops

Absolutely no relevence what-so-ever. 

It's completely relevant. The Cerberus betrayal is being pitched as the big plot twist in ME3. When Shepard says Cerberus is indoctrinated, he could very well be merely assuming it. Or at least not painting the full picture of what's actually going on with them. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 23 juillet 2011 - 06:36 .

[Soahfreako]

bboynexus wrote...

I agree with you, Kev. The implications are far more complex than many are assuming.

Soahfreako wrote...

4 minutes is ample time to look up a part in a recently watched video.

I assure you, Soah, I have very good retention.

More Power to you, regardless it still proved my piont that it wasn't an assumption. Whether or not Shepard is right, only time will tell.

[Soahfreako]

marshalleck wrote...

Soahfreako wrote...
Then it would be a simple process of having the indoctrinated ones convert the ones that haven't been indoctrinated.

Except it wouldn't be that simple, because the indoctrination would be contained to the cell that went to the base. One Cerb cell doesn't know anything about the others. Only TIM himself knows every Cerb operation.

Except that it would since the Reapers are advanced enough to control the indoctrinated, giving the person incredible hacking skills. This leading to any of the indoctrinated being able to find out where the other cells are without much effort. This was also shown in Retribution (I.E. Grayson being able to fly a ship he's never seen before but it feeling familiar to him)

[Soahfreako]

marshalleck wrote...

Soahfreako wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

I'll just point out that the Jedi in KOTOR was sure they were tracking down Revan and his star maps.

Whooops

Absolutely no relevence what-so-ever. 

It's completely relevant. The Cerberus betrayal is being pitched as the big plot twist in ME3. When Shepard says Cerberus is indoctrinated, he could very well be merely assuming it. Or at least not painting the full picture of what's actually going on with them. 

He wouldn't outright sa they're indoctrinated already. Please read above posts, as I don't like repeating myself. I said he would have said "They might be" or "they could be".

[bboynexus]

I'm sorry but, without context, it isn't an indication of anything concrete whatsoever. You're just arguing semantics.

Modifié par bboynexus, 23 juillet 2011 - 06:45 .

[marshalleck]

Soahfreako wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Soahfreako wrote...
Then it would be a simple process of having the indoctrinated ones convert the ones that haven't been indoctrinated.

Except it wouldn't be that simple, because the indoctrination would be contained to the cell that went to the base. One Cerb cell doesn't know anything about the others. Only TIM himself knows every Cerb operation.

Except that it would since the Reapers are advanced enough to control the indoctrinated, giving the person incredible hacking skills. This leading to any of the indoctrinated being able to find out where the other cells are without much effort. This was also shown in Retribution (I.E. Grayson being able to fly a ship he's never seen before but it feeling familiar to him)

Hack what, exactly? They're going to go to TIM's base which they've never been to before, never knew the previous locations of, don't know the current location of, and hack computers they never had access to? 

You're just making things up now. I get that you're probably feeling pretty awesome that you guessed Cerberus would wind up indoctrinated, but I think it's not that simple. It just doesn't make sense how Bioware are saying "you have to figure out why Cerberus betrayed you" one moment, and then the next they're talking about indoctrination. They wouldn't just play their hand in such an amateur fashion. There's more to it.

Modifié par marshalleck, 23 juillet 2011 - 06:46 .

[marshalleck]

Soahfreako wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Soahfreako wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

I'll just point out that the Jedi in KOTOR was sure they were tracking down Revan and his star maps.

Whooops

Absolutely no relevence what-so-ever. 

It's completely relevant. The Cerberus betrayal is being pitched as the big plot twist in ME3. When Shepard says Cerberus is indoctrinated, he could very well be merely assuming it. Or at least not painting the full picture of what's actually going on with them. 

He wouldn't outright sa they're indoctrinated already. Please read above posts, as I don't like repeating myself. I said he would have said "They might be" or "they could be".

I've read the entire thread, and just because you think that to be the case doesn't make it so. 

[CroGamer002]

Soahfreako wrote...

4 minutes is ample time to look up a part in a recently watched video. Also, it's entirely plausible to think that TIM isn't commanding the indoctrinated Cerberus. He's a smart man but that doesn't transfer to his followers. He obviously ordered his team to study the base and bring back the tech (I.E. Retribution) so those that worked with it would be indoctrinated. Then it would be a simple process of having the indoctrinated ones convert the ones that haven't been indoctrinated.

Casey said in Earth E3 Demo( 2nd or 3rd) that Illusive Man is responsible for every Cerberus action in ME3.

[marshalleck]

Saphra Deden wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

It just doesn't make sense how Bioware are saying "you have to figure out why Cerberus betrayed you" one moment, and then the next they're talking about indoctrination. There's more to it.

There doesn't have to be more to it. It's probably nothing more than a marketing gimmick to generate publicity. Let's them talk out of both sides of their mouth at the same time.

Eh, maybe. They didn't spoil Revan's reveal in KotOR. I'm pretty sure they didn't spoil the Bhaalspawn. They didn't mention the dark ritual, or the primeval lyrium. They didn't reveal Collectors = repurposed Protheans. So why would they reveal Cerberus simply got indoctrinated and that's all there is to it, if that is indeed the case?

Personally, I think Shepard's comment there is a bit of a red herring.

Modifié par marshalleck, 23 juillet 2011 - 06:52 .

[didymos1120]

Soahfreako wrote...

Except that it would since the Reapers are advanced enough to control the indoctrinated, giving the person incredible hacking skills. This leading to any of the indoctrinated being able to find out where the other cells are without much effort. This was also shown in Retribution (I.E. Grayson being able to fly a ship he's never seen before but it feeling familiar to him)

Um, no.  That's not how indoctrination works. It's not a direct link between subject and Reaper. That's how Reaper avatars work: people who have extensive and invasive Reaper-tech integrated into their bodies and brains.  Grayson and endgame Saren? Avatars.  Menos Avot, crazy salarian guy on Virmire?  Indoctrinated.   Benezia?  Indoctrinated.  Yes, Saren and Grayson were indoctrinated, but that was in addition to all the tech embedded in them.  That tech, which had basically embedded a QEC into his brain, was what allowed Grayson to pilot that ship.

Modifié par didymos1120, 23 juillet 2011 - 06:58 .

[marshalleck]

Saphra Deden wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

They didn't reveal Collectors = repurposed Protheans.

When I came to that revelation my reaction was: "So what?"

Wasn't one of their stronger moments, but the point remains. One of the questions posed in ME2 was "who are the Collectors, and what is their connection to the Reapers?"

Someone could easily guess "indoctrination!" but it was much more than that.

[Soahfreako]

Exhausted. Going to bed.

Modifié par Soahfreako, 23 juillet 2011 - 07:05 .

[Soahfreako]

didymos1120 wrote...

Soahfreako wrote...

Except that it would since the Reapers are advanced enough to control the indoctrinated, giving the person incredible hacking skills. This leading to any of the indoctrinated being able to find out where the other cells are without much effort. This was also shown in Retribution (I.E. Grayson being able to fly a ship he's never seen before but it feeling familiar to him)

Um, no.  That's not how indoctrination works. It's not a direct link between subject and Reaper. That's how Reaper avatars work: people who have extensive and invasive Reaper-tech integrated into their bodies and brains.  Grayson and endgame Saren? Avatars.  Menos Avot, crazy salarian guy on Virmire?  Indoctrinated.   Benezia?  Indoctrinated.  Yes, Saren and Grayson were indoctrinated, but that was in addition to all the tech embedded in them.  That tech, which had basically embedded a QEC into his brain, was what allowed Grayson to pilot that ship.

Touche. but I am done for tonight, will continue later.

[Soahfreako]

Mesina2 wrote...

Soahfreako wrote...

4 minutes is ample time to look up a part in a recently watched video. Also, it's entirely plausible to think that TIM isn't commanding the indoctrinated Cerberus. He's a smart man but that doesn't transfer to his followers. He obviously ordered his team to study the base and bring back the tech (I.E. Retribution) so those that worked with it would be indoctrinated. Then it would be a simple process of having the indoctrinated ones convert the ones that haven't been indoctrinated.

Casey said in Earth E3 Demo( 2nd or 3rd) that Illusive Man is responsible for every Cerberus action in ME3.

If there's proof on this, then my thoery get's blown out of the water.

[marshalleck]

Soahfreako wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Soahfreako wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Soahfreako wrote...
Then it would be a simple process of having the indoctrinated ones convert the ones that haven't been indoctrinated.

Except it wouldn't be that simple, because the indoctrination would be contained to the cell that went to the base. One Cerb cell doesn't know anything about the others. Only TIM himself knows every Cerb operation.

Except that it would since the Reapers are advanced enough to control the indoctrinated, giving the person incredible hacking skills. This leading to any of the indoctrinated being able to find out where the other cells are without much effort. This was also shown in Retribution (I.E. Grayson being able to fly a ship he's never seen before but it feeling familiar to him)

Hack what, exactly? They're going to go to TIM's base which they've never been to before, never knew the previous locations of, don't know the current location of, and hack computers they never had access to? 

You're just making things up now. I get that you're probably feeling pretty awesome that you guessed Cerberus would wind up indoctrinated, but I think it's not that simple. It just doesn't make sense how Bioware are saying "you have to figure out why Cerberus betrayed you" one moment, and then the next they're talking about indoctrination. They wouldn't just play their hand in such an amateur fashion. There's more to it.

Well, use your brain for a minute, since they were working on studying the Reaper artifacts/debris/equipment, TIM would easily consider it one of, if not the, most important project. Therefore, he would have all his resources on hand, including mainframes that would hold such information of where cells would be held. Of course the information wouldn't be on the mainframes persay, but the means of which to acquire such would be. Even if they weren't the Reapers could amass the knowledge of the already indoctrinated operatives and use that knowledge to find other bases. I could go on for hours about this theory, but I've a bed that's calling to me and don't feel like arguing to people right now.

You're just making things up to fit the scenario you envision. None of that is supported by anything we've seen or heard from Bioware so far.

You could be right, it's just unsupported for now. I think there's more to it than that.

Modifié par marshalleck, 23 juillet 2011 - 07:05 .

[KevShep]

Soahfreako wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Soahfreako wrote...

4 minutes is ample time to look up a part in a recently watched video. Also, it's entirely plausible to think that TIM isn't commanding the indoctrinated Cerberus. He's a smart man but that doesn't transfer to his followers. He obviously ordered his team to study the base and bring back the tech (I.E. Retribution) so those that worked with it would be indoctrinated. Then it would be a simple process of having the indoctrinated ones convert the ones that haven't been indoctrinated.

Casey said in Earth E3 Demo( 2nd or 3rd) that Illusive Man is responsible for every Cerberus action in ME3.

If there's proof on this, then my thoery get's blown out of the water.

 look at 8:10 all the way through 9:10 in the video

Modifié par KevShep, 23 juillet 2011 - 07:29 .

[Shirna]

Two Questions: Can you tell a little bit about the new granade mechanic, and how do npcs in the cutscenes look? Is there still a big different in texturequality concerning the npc clothes and the generel enviroument?

[SkittlesKat96]

Could be worse I suppose.

Also why is every single person complaining that it will be cliched yet I see people say 'Hey I want an ending where the Reaper forces are defeated and the war is brutal and bloody and epic then everyone oorahs and Shepard sta.nds in the distance with his love interest in his hand and has a statue and medal awarded to him and his squad and it ends with everyone cheering as Shepard stands in front of a massive crowd'

Not saying everyone says that of course.

Also I hope that if we destroyed the base maybe Cerberus isn't completely indoctrinated and we can get some benefit out of them still.