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[Mathias]

littlezack wrote...

JediMaster_Murph wrote...

littlezack wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

People are like "Well it's just another take on Shepard. No biggie. It won't change your playthrough."

Umm BS it won't. This will pretty much canonize the storyline of Mass Effect which COMPLETELY contradicts the whole theme of choice in the series

I've yet to see a solid argument for how a movie effects the choices you make in a game.

when you have a canon storyline, it makes anyone who strays from that path feel like they are doing something wrong, (it personally wouldnt affect me, and im definatley seeing the ME movie) but i see how some people would be affect by a canon storyline

Firstly, as I'm sure I've said before, this movie will be coming out a LONG time after we're done playing ME3.If it hits before 2013, I will be greatly surprised.

Secondly, nobody has said anything about canonizing anything. The concept of a movie having a different interpretation than the source material is nothing new. Will some people interpret the movie to be 'canon'? Sure, and to that I ask a hearty 'So the ***** what?' It doesn't make them right. Let them think what they think, and if they play Mass Effect, they'll be pleasantly surprised. Even if someone comes out and says 'This is the official storyline', it shouldn't detract from anything you did in the game. 

Like you said, people are going to interpret it as canon and a lot of people are pissed off because of that. If someone came out and said that it's the official storyline, then yes it'll detract what i did in the game. Because suddenly it'll mean that i didn't play the game right. It takes away the fun that people can all share their Shepard's and stories and not feel they played the game incorrectly.

[JediMaster_Murph]

littlezack wrote...

JediMaster_Murph wrote...

littlezack wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

People are like "Well it's just another take on Shepard. No biggie. It won't change your playthrough."

Umm BS it won't. This will pretty much canonize the storyline of Mass Effect which COMPLETELY contradicts the whole theme of choice in the series

I've yet to see a solid argument for how a movie effects the choices you make in a game.

when you have a canon storyline, it makes anyone who strays from that path feel like they are doing something wrong, (it personally wouldnt affect me, and im definatley seeing the ME movie) but i see how some people would be affect by a canon storyline

Firstly, as I'm sure I've said before, this movie will be coming out a LONG time after we're done playing ME3.If it hits before 2013, I will be greatly surprised.

Secondly, nobody has said anything about canonizing anything. The concept of a movie having a different interpretation than the source material is nothing new. Will some people interpret the movie to be 'canon'? Sure, and to that I ask a hearty 'So the ***** what?' It doesn't make them right. Let them think what they think, and if they play Mass Effect, they'll be pleasantly surprised. Even if someone comes out and says 'This is the official storyline', it shouldn't detract from anything you did in the game. 

you cant seriously belive that if the mass effect movie has a set storyline, no one will think that their game was wrong?, the whole concept behind the ME series was that its your decisions that shape the game, when you take away the decision making from the fans its just not the same thing, if you walk into a subway sandwich shop and are not allowed to make your own order would you eat there? id leave

[ThePwener]

Im neutral on the matter. The movie will obviously follow a Paragon storyline with maybe a few Renegade choices for flavor.

Seriously, it's just a movie though. Even if it is stablished as canon, I won't care. It'll actually make my game unique if it is different. That's a win in my book.

[littlezack]

JediMaster_Murph wrote...

littlezack wrote...

JediMaster_Murph wrote...

littlezack wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

People are like "Well it's just another take on Shepard. No biggie. It won't change your playthrough."

Umm BS it won't. This will pretty much canonize the storyline of Mass Effect which COMPLETELY contradicts the whole theme of choice in the series

I've yet to see a solid argument for how a movie effects the choices you make in a game.

when you have a canon storyline, it makes anyone who strays from that path feel like they are doing something wrong, (it personally wouldnt affect me, and im definatley seeing the ME movie) but i see how some people would be affect by a canon storyline

Firstly, as I'm sure I've said before, this movie will be coming out a LONG time after we're done playing ME3.If it hits before 2013, I will be greatly surprised.

Secondly, nobody has said anything about canonizing anything. The concept of a movie having a different interpretation than the source material is nothing new. Will some people interpret the movie to be 'canon'? Sure, and to that I ask a hearty 'So the ***** what?' It doesn't make them right. Let them think what they think, and if they play Mass Effect, they'll be pleasantly surprised. Even if someone comes out and says 'This is the official storyline', it shouldn't detract from anything you did in the game. 

you cant seriously belive that if the mass effect movie has a set storyline, no one will think that their game was wrong?, the whole concept behind the ME series was that its your decisions that shape the game, when you take away the decision making from the fans its just not the same thing, if you walk into a subway sandwich shop and are not allowed to make your own order would you eat there? id leave

Yes. The decisions made in a movie keep me from making different decisions in the game. How could I not see such flawless logic?

[shepskisaac]

littlezack wrote...

You know, it's funny. I played Wild Arms 4about three times all the way through, and it ended the same way each time. I did the same things. It went the same way. The main character's actions were not in my control. But I could have sworn it was an RPG. Silly me.

Not all RPGs are the same. Just as not all action-adventures are the same. InFamous for example provides very ME/KOTOR like choice of role-playing Cole as a good or evil character, yet no one considers the game an RPG (while actually, it should be lol). The storytelling in ME happens to be like in majority of RPGs where there are alternative, contradictionary choices that lead to events that can't fit into one canon.

[Mathias]

littlezack wrote...

JediMaster_Murph wrote...

littlezack wrote...

JediMaster_Murph wrote...

littlezack wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

People are like "Well it's just another take on Shepard. No biggie. It won't change your playthrough."

Umm BS it won't. This will pretty much canonize the storyline of Mass Effect which COMPLETELY contradicts the whole theme of choice in the series

I've yet to see a solid argument for how a movie effects the choices you make in a game.

when you have a canon storyline, it makes anyone who strays from that path feel like they are doing something wrong, (it personally wouldnt affect me, and im definatley seeing the ME movie) but i see how some people would be affect by a canon storyline

Firstly, as I'm sure I've said before, this movie will be coming out a LONG time after we're done playing ME3.If it hits before 2013, I will be greatly surprised.

Secondly, nobody has said anything about canonizing anything. The concept of a movie having a different interpretation than the source material is nothing new. Will some people interpret the movie to be 'canon'? Sure, and to that I ask a hearty 'So the ***** what?' It doesn't make them right. Let them think what they think, and if they play Mass Effect, they'll be pleasantly surprised. Even if someone comes out and says 'This is the official storyline', it shouldn't detract from anything you did in the game. 

you cant seriously belive that if the mass effect movie has a set storyline, no one will think that their game was wrong?, the whole concept behind the ME series was that its your decisions that shape the game, when you take away the decision making from the fans its just not the same thing, if you walk into a subway sandwich shop and are not allowed to make your own order would you eat there? id leave

Yes. The decisions made in a movie keep me from making different decisions in the game. How could I not see such flawless logic?

You're twisting what we're saying to help your arguement. We never said we'd be incapable of making different decisions than the movie, and you know that.

[littlezack]

IsaacShep wrote...

littlezack wrote...

You know, it's funny. I played Wild Arms 4about three times all the way through, and it ended the same way each time. I did the same things. It went the same way. The main character's actions were not in my control. But I could have sworn it was an RPG. Silly me.

Not all RPGs are the same. Just as not all action-adventures are the same. InFamous for example provides very ME/KOTOR like choice of role-playing Cole as a good or evil character, yet no one considers the game an RPG (while actually, it should be lol). The storytelling in ME happens to be like in majority of RPGs where there are alternative, contradictionary choices that lead to events that can't fit into one canon.

I honestly wouldn't even say most RPGs like that. Certainly not a majority. Quite a few are, and it is a growing trend, but you can find more examples of RPGs with linear storylines than ones without.

[Massadonious1]

Think of it this way: Legendary/Avi Arad played ME1 their own way, and are basing the script off their own playthrough.

If you want to continue to think the opposite, then so be it. But, they shouldn't scrap what could very well be a successful franchise, monetarily or otherwise, because a few ME "fans" feel that this will canon-ize their game, when it really wont.

Modifié par Massadonious1, 04 août 2011 - 05:11 .

[littlezack]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...


You're twisting what we're saying to help your arguement. We never said we'd be incapable of making different decisions than the movie, and you know that.

Oh am I?

 the whole concept behind the ME series was that its your decisions that shape the game, when you take away the decision making from the fans its just not the same thing, if you walk into a subway sandwich shop and are not allowed to make your own order would you eat there? id leave

[ThePwener]

Massadonious1 wrote...

Think of it this way: Legendary/Avi Arad played ME1 their own way, and are basing the script off their own playthrough.

If you want to continue to think the opposite, then so be it. But, they shouldn't scrap what could very well be a successful franchise, monetarily or otherwise, because a few ME "fans" feel that this will canonize their game, when it really wont.

It'll make them saints?

[JediMaster_Murph]

littlezack wrote...

JediMaster_Murph wrote...

littlezack wrote...

JediMaster_Murph wrote...

littlezack wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

People are like "Well it's just another take on Shepard. No biggie. It won't change your playthrough."

Umm BS it won't. This will pretty much canonize the storyline of Mass Effect which COMPLETELY contradicts the whole theme of choice in the series

I've yet to see a solid argument for how a movie effects the choices you make in a game.

when you have a canon storyline, it makes anyone who strays from that path feel like they are doing something wrong, (it personally wouldnt affect me, and im definatley seeing the ME movie) but i see how some people would be affect by a canon storyline

Firstly, as I'm sure I've said before, this movie will be coming out a LONG time after we're done playing ME3.If it hits before 2013, I will be greatly surprised.

Secondly, nobody has said anything about canonizing anything. The concept of a movie having a different interpretation than the source material is nothing new. Will some people interpret the movie to be 'canon'? Sure, and to that I ask a hearty 'So the ***** what?' It doesn't make them right. Let them think what they think, and if they play Mass Effect, they'll be pleasantly surprised. Even if someone comes out and says 'This is the official storyline', it shouldn't detract from anything you did in the game. 

you cant seriously belive that if the mass effect movie has a set storyline, no one will think that their game was wrong?, the whole concept behind the ME series was that its your decisions that shape the game, when you take away the decision making from the fans its just not the same thing, if you walk into a subway sandwich shop and are not allowed to make your own order would you eat there? id leave

Yes. The decisions made in a movie keep me from making different decisions in the game. How could I not see such flawless logic?

ok so the subway allows you to make your sandwich but everytime you ask for something they yell at you that your doing it wrong, sure at the end you still get your sandwich, but its definitely not as good of an experience

[JediMaster_Murph]

littlezack wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...


You're twisting what we're saying to help your arguement. We never said we'd be incapable of making different decisions than the movie, and you know that.

Oh am I?

 the whole concept behind the ME series was that its your decisions that shape the game, when you take away the decision making from the fans its just not the same thing, if you walk into a subway sandwich shop and are not allowed to make your own order would you eat there? id leave

in a MOVIE!

[Massadonious1]

ThePwener wrote...

It'll make them saints?

Yes. :innocent:

[littlezack]

 ok so the subway allows you to make your sandwich but everytime you ask for something they yell at you that your doing it wrong, sure at the end you still get your sandwich, but its definitely not as good of an experience

The only place your analogy works is in some strange universe where you can order Subway sandwiches without talking to the people making them. Because you sure as hell don't have to see the movie.

Edit: Actually, some Subways let you fax the orders in, so I guess such a world exists. Still, you get what I mean.

Modifié par littlezack, 04 août 2011 - 05:15 .

[Mathias]

littlezack wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...


You're twisting what we're saying to help your arguement. We never said we'd be incapable of making different decisions than the movie, and you know that.

Oh am I?

 the whole concept behind the ME series was that its your decisions that shape the game, when you take away the decision making from the fans its just not the same thing, if you walk into a subway sandwich shop and are not allowed to make your own order would you eat there? id leave

That wasn't what he was getting at. He said it's not the same thing. Did he say he's incapable of making different decisions? 

[shepskisaac]

littlezack wrote...

I honestly wouldn't even say most RPGs like that. Certainly not a majority. Quite a few are, and it is a growing trend, but you can find more examples of RPGs with linear storylines than ones without.

Even if, that still doesn't matter. The idea behind the storytelling in the particular trilogy of games we talk about is simply different, contradictionary and incompatible with movie format. From a purely artistic point of view, I don't get why does anyone feel there should be a movie version of something that in its storytelling structure was suppoused to be give you something a movie can't, a choice. If BioWare wanted one canon storyline, they would've done an action-adventure game. But they wanted something different, so they went with an RPG offering freedom to choose contracictionary to each other choices and canons.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 04 août 2011 - 05:16 .

[ThePwener]

littlezack wrote...

 ok so the subway allows you to make your sandwich but everytime you ask for something they yell at you that your doing it wrong, sure at the end you still get your sandwich, but its definitely not as good of an experience

The only place your analogy works is in some strange universe where you can order Subway sandwiches without talking to the people making them. Because you sure as hell don't have to see the movie.

Great analogy. seriously, this is good stuff.

Mass Effect: Eat Fresh

[littlezack]

IsaacShep wrote...

littlezack wrote...

I honestly wouldn't even say most RPGs like that. Certainly not a majority. Quite a few are, and it is a growing trend, but you can find more examples of RPGs with linear storylines than ones without.

Even if, that still doesn't matter. The idea behind the storytelling in the particular trilogy of games we talk about is simply different, contradictionary and incompatible with movie format. From a purely artistic point of view, I don't get why does anyone feel there should be a movie version of something that in its storytelling structure was suppoused to be give you something a movie can't, a choice. If BioWare wanted one canon storyline, they would've done an action-adventure game. But they wanted something different, so they went with an RPG offering freedom to chose contracictionary to each other choices and canons.

Movie canon does not equal videogame canon. I can't say it any simpler.

[JediMaster_Murph]

littlezack wrote...

 ok so the subway allows you to make your sandwich but everytime you ask for something they yell at you that your doing it wrong, sure at the end you still get your sandwich, but its definitely not as good of an experience

The only place your analogy works is in some strange universe where you can order Subway sandwiches without talking to the people making them. Because you sure as hell don't have to see the movie.

Edit: Actually, some Subways let you fax the orders in, so I guess such a world exists. Still, you get what I mean.

not really, all im sayin is that if a movie is made about shepard, dont you think his choices would be considered the canon choices?, and if you played mass effect and your choices arent the canon ones, wouldnt you think that some people wouldnt have as much fun?

[ThePwener]

littlezack wrote...

Movie canon does not equal videogame canon. I can't say it any simpler.

It doesn't stop the idiots (you know who you are!) around here from thinking it does.

[Mathias]

littlezack wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

littlezack wrote...

I honestly wouldn't even say most RPGs like that. Certainly not a majority. Quite a few are, and it is a growing trend, but you can find more examples of RPGs with linear storylines than ones without.

Even if, that still doesn't matter. The idea behind the storytelling in the particular trilogy of games we talk about is simply different, contradictionary and incompatible with movie format. From a purely artistic point of view, I don't get why does anyone feel there should be a movie version of something that in its storytelling structure was suppoused to be give you something a movie can't, a choice. If BioWare wanted one canon storyline, they would've done an action-adventure game. But they wanted something different, so they went with an RPG offering freedom to chose contracictionary to each other choices and canons.

Movie canon does not equal videogame canon. I can't say it any simpler.

Unless the movie is based entirely on a story where the main character's looks, personality and the decisions he/she makes are chosen by the player.

[JediMaster_Murph]

ThePwener wrote...

littlezack wrote...

 ok so the subway allows you to make your sandwich but everytime you ask for something they yell at you that your doing it wrong, sure at the end you still get your sandwich, but its definitely not as good of an experience

The only place your analogy works is in some strange universe where you can order Subway sandwiches without talking to the people making them. Because you sure as hell don't have to see the movie.

Great analogy. seriously, this is good stuff.

Mass Effect: Eat Fresh

thanks, i guess

[ThePwener]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Unless the movie is based entirely on a story where the main character's looks, personality and the decisions he/she makes are chosen by the player.

See, told you so.

[Mathias]

ThePwener wrote...

littlezack wrote...

Movie canon does not equal videogame canon. I can't say it any simpler.

It doesn't stop the idiots (you know who you are!) around here from thinking it does.

Do not call people idiots. There's no call for that, especially over something like this.

[littlezack]

JediMaster_Murph wrote...

littlezack wrote...

 ok so the subway allows you to make your sandwich but everytime you ask for something they yell at you that your doing it wrong, sure at the end you still get your sandwich, but its definitely not as good of an experience

The only place your analogy works is in some strange universe where you can order Subway sandwiches without talking to the people making them. Because you sure as hell don't have to see the movie.

Edit: Actually, some Subways let you fax the orders in, so I guess such a world exists. Still, you get what I mean.

not really, all im sayin is that if a movie is made about shepard, dont you think his choices would be considered the canon choices?, and if you played mass effect and your choices arent the canon ones, wouldnt you think that some people wouldnt have as much fun?

Modifié par littlezack, 04 août 2011 - 05:21 .