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Metopholus wrote...

If this is just a big budget version of someone's Youtube LP Then fine. if they try and pass it off as canon...NOT fine.


It'll be canon...within the movie.

This is not a hard concept to grasp. The ME movie won't have any more effect on the games than, say, Batman Begins had on Batman comics. A different interpretation doesn't automatically invalidate other interpretations.

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littlezack wrote...

Metopholus wrote...

If this is just a big budget version of someone's Youtube LP Then fine. if they try and pass it off as canon...NOT fine.


It'll be canon...within the movie.

This is not a hard concept to grasp. The ME movie won't have any more effect on the games than, say, Batman Begins had on Batman comics. A different interpretation doesn't automatically invalidate other interpretations.

Batman is a defined character, Shepard is not.

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So far, Ive read the linked article (takes me to the Australian mirror), and watched the embedded interview, where the IGN girl (Naomi) is interviewing the IGN director (Jim), and nothing has been said about it being about ME1. The ony thing that was said, was by Naomi, stating she would like to see a female Cmdr Shepard, in response to Jims question abotu what she would like to see in the movie.
Anyone have anything that actually comfirms it being about ME1, or is IGN once again speculating, and proving you cant spell ignorant without IGN?

For what it's worth, I was reading the live blog during the panel, and they said nothing about the movie being based on ME1. This could of course be the live blogger messing up or me missing something, but figured I'd mention it anyway. 


If they had actually said that, I'm sure more media bodies would have picked up on it, and actually offered a full bloody quote of that specific thing! 

Indeed! I did some digging through my internet history, and can at least confirm that I didn't miss anything: the liveblog mentions nothing about ME1.

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Actually, no. Batman is not a defined character - there are dozens and dozens of different interpretations of him - comics, cartoons, movies, TV series. Each one has its own continuity within itself, does things differently than others. The basics stay the same, true, and one could argue that the comic is the main one since it's where all others take inspiration, but ultimately, they're separate.

Whatever path the movie takes, it won't have any effect on the choices you made. It won't hold anymore weight than anyone's idea of what Shepard is.

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Mr.House wrote...

Play ME again, Feros and the Thorian are very important.


Getting the Prothean cipher is just a MacGuffin to chase after.  If they wanted, the Cipher could simply have been included in the Beacon on Eden Prime or the one on Virmire.  

Again, there's a reason that BioWare didn't include Feros in the Genesis Comic.  It was a pointless padding mission.  

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littlezack wrote...

Metopholus wrote...

If this is just a big budget version of someone's Youtube LP Then fine. if they try and pass it off as canon...NOT fine.


It'll be canon...within the movie.

This is not a hard concept to grasp. The ME movie won't have any more effect on the games than, say, Batman Begins had on Batman comics. A different interpretation doesn't automatically invalidate other interpretations.


Actually in the new DC Relaunch i believe the new Joker's design is based of Ledger's Joker from TDK. so to an extent the movies did effect the comics.

as i said as long as the movie doesn't effect the game universe then im fine with it. i won't likely be seeing it though.

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Mr.House wrote...

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But longer than 3 hours is.


So they cut Feros just like they did in the Genesis prequel comic for ME2.  The Thorian was irrelevant to the overall plot anyway.  

Eden Prime
Citadel (recruit Tali, Wrex, Garrus/ if no Therum: Liara)
----> optionally : Therum (recruit Liara)
Noveria (tweak plot so that Cerberus is tied to Binary Helix to introduce group for sequel) 
Virmire (talk Wrex down, save whichever)
Ilos
Finale 

That can easily fit into 2 to 2.5 hours.  

Play ME again, Feros and the Thorian are very important.


I can´t believe that you think that the Thorian is irrelevant. The comic is a poor interpretation of ME1.

Modifié par mauro2222, 23 juillet 2011 - 09:20 .


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Omega-202 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Play ME again, Feros and the Thorian are very important.


Getting the Prothean cipher is just a MacGuffin to chase after.  If they wanted, the Cipher could simply have been included in the Beacon on Eden Prime or the one on Virmire.  

Again, there's a reason that BioWare didn't include Feros in the Genesis Comic.  It was a pointless padding mission.  

No they cut it out because there was no major choice there.

Therum was mentioned because of Liara
Noveria(sp) was mentioned not just because you get the location of the relay but you also make a big decision with the Rachni queen. Virmire, need I say more?

What massive choice do you really make in Feros? None, the choices are all small, Feros role was to advance the story by giving Shepard a tool to make sense of the visions and the Thorian was the only being to have it.

Also using the Genesis comic that got so many things wrong and didn't include many things and characters is not really helping.

Modifié par Mr.House, 23 juillet 2011 - 09:21 .


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Mr.House wrote...

Batman is a defined character, Shepard is not.


That is just painfully wrong.  

If Batman is such a defined character, how do you get everything ranging from:
The Golden Age Detective era
The Silver Age super campy era
the Adam West TV show
the ultra gritty 80's version, including the Dark Knight Returns
The Tim Burton "twisted nightmare" style films
The Joel Schumacher films
The Original Animated Series
The Brave and the Bold Animated Series
The current Nolan-verse

Each of these versions has more differences from each other than any possible pertubation of Shepard.  Batman has had more love interests than Shepard could have.  Different media and versions have even had completely diametrically opposed versions of a single event happen based off of different choices made by their Batman.  

Bringing up Batman in this conversation is a nail in the coffin to your "defined character" argument.  

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That's not even getting into all the Elseworld comics...

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Omega-202 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Batman is a defined character, Shepard is not.


That is just painfully wrong.  

If Batman is such a defined character, how do you get everything ranging from:
The Golden Age Detective era
The Silver Age super campy era
the Adam West TV show
the ultra gritty 80's version, including the Dark Knight Returns
The Tim Burton "twisted nightmare" style films
The Joel Schumacher films
The Original Animated Series
The Brave and the Bold Animated Series
The current Nolan-verse

Each of these versions has more differences from each other than any possible pertubation of Shepard.  Batman has had more love interests than Shepard could have.  Different media and versions have even had completely diametrically opposed versions of a single event happen based off of different choices made by their Batman.  

Bringing up Batman in this conversation is a nail in the coffin to your "defined character" argument.  

He is a hero for Gothem city whose parents where killed when he was young, also male. No matter how diffrent his personlty, looks or actions are, those traits are always there.

Not only is Shepards background not defined, they can also be any gender.

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Mr.House wrote...

Omega-202 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Batman is a defined character, Shepard is not.


That is just painfully wrong.  

If Batman is such a defined character, how do you get everything ranging from:
The Golden Age Detective era
The Silver Age super campy era
the Adam West TV show
the ultra gritty 80's version, including the Dark Knight Returns
The Tim Burton "twisted nightmare" style films
The Joel Schumacher films
The Original Animated Series
The Brave and the Bold Animated Series
The current Nolan-verse

Each of these versions has more differences from each other than any possible pertubation of Shepard.  Batman has had more love interests than Shepard could have.  Different media and versions have even had completely diametrically opposed versions of a single event happen based off of different choices made by their Batman.  

Bringing up Batman in this conversation is a nail in the coffin to your "defined character" argument.  

He is a hero for Gothem city whose parents where killed when he was young, also male. No matter how diffrent his personlty, looks or actions are, those traits are always there.

Not only is Shepards background not defined, they can also be any gender.


So? So what? You mean to tell me that if they go with,say, the Earthborn Survivor background, that'll somehow effect the game you played and the hero you choose? How?

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littlezack wrote...

So? So what? You mean to tell me that if they go with,say, the Earthborn Survivor background, that'll somehow effect the game you played and the hero you choose? How?

Well for one they will probaly make him look like Sheploo(:sick:), two, Shepard is female to me not male and they have kept the gender of Shepard unmentioned outside games and thirdly 99% of Shepards personalty and traits is made up from the player. Are you really telling me you don't know why people are not happy with this, nor do they want a movie based on Shepard?

Also that's not getting into the romance stuff that is a whole new can of worms. It's not that hard to grasp.

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Oh, I get why people are upset at the notion. But it's a dumb reason. It's the same reason some fanfic writers get up in arms whenever a sequel comes out to something they made that goes against the fanfic they created. 'Soul Calibur 4 ruined my Soul Calibur 3 fanfics!'

Come to think of it, this is actually worse than that, since a sequel to a game actually does affect the original canon. The Mass Effect movie will come out a long time after ME3 drops. Hell, I'll be surprised if they even start filming by then. It changes nothing.

Modifié par littlezack, 23 juillet 2011 - 09:35 .


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ithought the revelation novel would have plyed out well....a short background story, but with enough going on to be good....BUT ill take a shep film if its awesome...

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Mr.House wrote...

littlezack wrote...

So? So what? You mean to tell me that if they go with,say, the Earthborn Survivor background, that'll somehow effect the game you played and the hero you choose? How?

Well for one they will probaly make him look like Sheploo(:sick:), two, Shepard is female to me not male and they have kept the gender of Shepard unmentioned outside games and thirdly 99% of Shepards personalty and traits is made up from the player. Are you really telling me you don't know why people are not happy with this, nor do they want a movie based on Shepard?

Also that's not getting into the romance stuff that is a whole new can of worms. It's not that hard to grasp.


I don't see how the movie is any different from ppl posting videos of their Shepards on Youtube. This is just hollywood's version of Shepard. Plus, by the time this movie comes out everyone here will have most likely finished their Shepard's story.

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Karl Urban as Commander Shepard

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littlezack wrote...

Oh, I get why people are upset at the notion. But it's a dumb reason. It's the same reason some fanfic writers get up in arms whenever a sequel comes out to something they made that goes against the fanfic they created. 'Soul Calibur 4 ruined my Soul Calibur 3 fanfics!'


It's not a dumb reason to think the movie will be a pile of poop, though.

I just won't watch the thing...I already know how the story goes and the protagonist is going to suck.  I could care less what they do with it.

There's no point in complaining about it, though as the damage is done.

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Ghost Lightning wrote...

Karl Urban as Commander Shepard



ah....like....sure better than matt fox....

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I dont understand why so many people think retelling ME1 is the only way for the film to have a good story, as if it's impossible for something else interesting or exciting to happen in the ME universe.

I don't buy the idea that newcomers will only be interested in a retelling of the game either. The brand awareness is in the name. How much do you think people who haven't played ME1 actually know about the story? I'd say very little, not enough to have them interested.

First Contact is still the way to go IMO, the story is much better suited to being told in a film.
Start off with the discovery of the Prothean ruins on Mars and how it changes the world, move on to the romantics of space exploration and founding colonies. Find out there are aliens, Oh Noes! They're attacking! Bit of 'splosions and what not then finish off with the first googly eyed humans to visit the citadel.


Boooorrriiiiinnnnggggg

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mulder1199 wrote...

Ghost Lightning wrote...

Karl Urban as Commander Shepard



ah....like....sure better than matt fox....


I forgot to post this

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If we're finally at the stage for suggesting outrageous casting decisions, then I will offer this.

Director - Christian Bale



Composer - Christian Bale



Budget - Christian Bale



Running Time - Christian Bale



Male Commander Shepard - Christian Bale

Female Commander Shepard - Christian Bale

Saren - Christian Bale (voice distortion + giant alien suit)

Ashley Williams - Christian Bale (voice distortion + fake breasts)

Kaiden Alenko - Christian Bale (metrosexualized)

Liara T'Soni - Christian Bale (voice distortion + full blue body paint + tentacle hair)

Garrus - Christian Bale (voice distortion + giant alien suit)

Wrex - Christian Bale (same as above)

Tali - Christian Bale (voice distortion + sexy alien suit)

Capt Anderson - Christian Bale (skin tanning)

Matriarch Benezia - Christian Bale (see Liara)

Admiral Udina - Christian Bale

...

Everyone else - Christian Bale

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littlezack wrote...

Metopholus wrote...

If this is just a big budget version of someone's Youtube LP Then fine. if they try and pass it off as canon...NOT fine.


It'll be canon...within the movie.

This is not a hard concept to grasp. The ME movie won't have any more effect on the games than, say, Batman Begins had on Batman comics. A different interpretation doesn't automatically invalidate other interpretations.


You sir, have exibited the common sense that a lot of people seem to be lacking. It's not canon, imagine it as the director's play through of the first ME but with better graphics.

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masseffectfan00 wrote...

Instead of a made up story from scratch.  I would never watch a ME movie if it weren't based on the series and its good to have it based on the series because we already know the story is amazing minus ME2.  I got a feeling that the movies will be just as good as the video games cause the story is just too good and they can't possibly screw up the movie unless they try to on purpose. 

Based on what we have from the games is what we wanted, just not shepard. It is more likely to fail this way. I am dissapointed at best. since Comic Con alI feel about the new ME stuff is that. I mean no permanent squaddies? That's lazy, like ME2 only showing Jacob, Miranda and Mordin voicing opinions.

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littlezack wrote...

Oh, I get why people are upset at the notion. But it's a dumb reason. It's the same reason some fanfic writers get up in arms whenever a sequel comes out to something they made that goes against the fanfic they created. 'Soul Calibur 4 ruined my Soul Calibur 3 fanfics!'

Come to think of it, this is actually worse than that, since a sequel to a game actually does affect the original canon. The Mass Effect movie will come out a long time after ME3 drops. Hell, I'll be surprised if they even start filming by then. It changes nothing.



This just put the button on why the movie whiners are so annoying to me. They're like these possessive fanfic writers who don't realize that there is a story being told and their version/interpretation of it is irrelevant to everyone else playing the game. The illusion of choice in Mass Effect is just that. You can't say to hell with fighting reapers and have Shepard retire to an apartment on Illium . You also can't summarily execute every character you meet in the game. None of us own the character, even if you can give him/her blond hair and purple armor.

Also to the dude who thought Shepard doesn't have predefined characteristics. Wrong.

As defined  in ME1 REGARDLESS of any player choices

Alliance Marine
N7
Commander of the Normandy
Spectre

Modifié par ChurchOfZod, 23 juillet 2011 - 10:22 .