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[Praetor Knight]

XDMMX wrote...

Space Magic!

careful around technomages...

[Xarathox]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Xarathox wrote...

Can someone enlighten me on how a holographic blade is supposed to cause damage to a physical being?

And that "solid state" crap can go right out the window. It would just then be Plasma, as holograms are digital 3D representation.

Dunno 'bout da hologram part, but a blade edge as thin as a line of atoms is gonna cut through almost anything.

Holograms, by nature, are immaterial 3D images. They have no solid physical properties.

The codex in game exclaims that basically every piece of tech in the future uses "solid state" holographic interfaces. Which isn't holographic at that point. It would just be plasma (the fourth state of matter).

[Praetor Knight]

Xarathox wrote...

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Xarathox wrote...

Can someone enlighten me on how a holographic blade is supposed to cause damage to a physical being?

And that "solid state" crap can go right out the window. It would just then be Plasma, as holograms are digital 3D representation.

Dunno 'bout da hologram part, but a blade edge as thin as a line of atoms is gonna cut through almost anything.

Holograms, by nature, are immaterial 3D images. They have no solid physical properties.

The codex in game exclaims that basically every piece of tech in the future uses "solid state" holographic interfaces. Which isn't holographic at that point. It would just be plasma (the fourth state of matter).

There's this in ME2, masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Codex/Technology#Computers:_Haptic_Adaptive_Interface

Advances in computing have done away with traditional input devices like keyboards. Instead, modern input peripherals are usually holographically displayed in front of the user at a height and angle for ergonomic ease. Machines that use this interface detect a user through a microframe chip in the user's glove that "keys in" to the computer. Once a user is accepted, motion accelerometers in the user's gloves match his hands' location with that of a proportionate but smaller "mirror" set of controls inside the computer itself. As the user presses against the holographic field, force-feedback in the glove kicks in, giving a slight resistance. A person can feel his way through using a touch-screen that isn't actually there. A simple toggle switch on the back of the hands allows the glove to be turned off when not in use.

Haptic interfaces have become so common that some individuals undergo cybernetic enhancement surgery to have the accelerometers implanted in their fingertips. "Going bareskin" is the sign of a committed computer user who no longer has to fuss with putting on gloves or cleaning them with alcohol wipes to get rid of the clammy-hand smell.

[Shirna]

Xarathox wrote...

Can someone enlighten me on how a holographic blade is supposed to cause damage to a physical being?

And that "solid state" crap can go right out the window. It would just then be Plasma, as holograms are digital 3D representation.

Does it really need a solid explanation? I mean.... something awesome happens when you press a button.

[Rolling Flame]

Hearing this, I'm not too impressed either. It should be a biotic/tech combo, not one or the other. I really hope melee combat doesn't become too overpowered for Shepard; I like a challenge at close quarters, and these melee attacks seem to be mean instant death for the AI, which shouldn't be the case at higher difficulties.

[Shirna]

I guess in that case you have to either soften them up before exe/omniblading them. or finish them off with a "insert gun here"blast to the face afterwards.

[MisanthropePrime]

Xarathox wrote...

Can someone enlighten me on how a holographic blade is supposed to cause damage to a physical being?

And that "solid state" crap can go right out the window. It would just then be Plasma, as holograms are digital 3D representation.

The same way a hologram adds to a sentinel's shields?

Basically, the actual display of the omni-tool and derived blade is mostly to help the wielder. The blade itself is probably an invisible forcefield, a pointed extension of their personal shield simply weaponized. But you try stabbing someone with a weightless, invisible sword: it aint happenin'. The omni-tool likely fashions a hologram in the shape of this field so you know where you're stabbin'.

[TheOtherTheoG]

TexasToast712 wrote...

GodWood wrote...

I dread what retarded gimmick they're going to give my engineer.

Most likely the retard Holofist we saw in some of the footage.

Well, most likely the 'retard Holofist' is actually the 'Lighting Up' stomach burn thing the GI previews said about, which is confirmed as the Engineer's heavy melee.

[omnitremere]

Here's a link for those who haven't seen it: http://www.youtube.c...?v=Igut0wRgJv4.

And yeah it makes absolutely no sense.

[Blooddrunk1004]

What mostly bothers me about this close-up atacks is that in 80% of all this moves i saw in gameplays, Shepard usualy hits a thin air and the enemy dies.

[Xarathox]

Shirna wrote...

Xarathox wrote...

Can someone enlighten me on how a holographic blade is supposed to cause damage to a physical being?

And that "solid state" crap can go right out the window. It would just then be Plasma, as holograms are digital 3D representation.

Does it really need a solid explanation? I mean.... something awesome happens when you press a button.

Haha...button-awesome reference.

@ Preator: That description still makes no sense. In order for the omni-blade to be able to inflict real physical damage to an opponent, their entire body would have to be implanted with those chips in every square inch (organs included). But that would still be superficial.

Plasma can be manipulated in a "solid state" displaying the same properties as a real physical object. The problem, however, is that unless contained in framework (like a window for example) to act as a conduit, the plasma would just disperse. So, the omni-tool would have to swing out a physical frame for plasma to adher to in order to actually be effective.

I can only suspend disbelief to a certain point, until my mind says "nope, real world science trumps that horse **** explanation". I had the same problem with Plasma Swords in Halo and Lightsabers in Star Wars. <_<

[Bogsnot1]

Where does he put his gun when he does the double punch? Does he shove it between his butt cheeks and clenches tightly so he doesnt drop it?

[Shirna]

Mhm... Im not that good in english that I could really describe my thoughts on this one but.... I think you are right. The Omniblade is a little too over the top. When you really have to cut corners in order to explain certain powers or tech in a certain universe you ruin a lot of its immersion.

And yea... sorry about the childish awesome comment but I just could not help it.

Modifié par Shirna, 23 juillet 2011 - 09:04 .

[Praetor Knight]

Xarathox wrote...

@ Preator: That description still makes no sense. In order for the omni-blade to be able to inflict real physical damage to an opponent, their entire body would have to be implanted with those chips in every square inch (organs included). But that would still be superficial.

Plasma can be manipulated in a "solid state" displaying the same properties as a real physical object. The problem, however, is that unless contained in framework (like a window for example) to act as a conduit, the plasma would just disperse. So, the omni-tool would have to swing out a physical frame for plasma to adher to in order to actually be effective.

I can only suspend disbelief to a certain point, until my mind says "nope, real world science trumps that horse **** explanation". I had the same problem with Plasma Swords in Halo and Lightsabers in Star Wars. <_<

Wait, as a weapon or as a tool?

Plasma does not seem related to most holographic interfaces in the ME universe, and using the omni-tool to make a sharpe blade as thin as a line of atoms, seems doable as long as one can manipulate mass altering fields. Just check out the Research descriptions in ME2.

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Where does he put his gun when he does the double punch? Does he shove it between his butt cheeks and clenches tightly so he doesnt drop it?

There must be a tether somewhere!

Modifié par Praetor Shepard, 23 juillet 2011 - 09:08 .

[Xarathox]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Xarathox wrote...

@ Preator: That description still makes no sense. In order for the omni-blade to be able to inflict real physical damage to an opponent, their entire body would have to be implanted with those chips in every square inch (organs included). But that would still be superficial.

Plasma can be manipulated in a "solid state" displaying the same properties as a real physical object. The problem, however, is that unless contained in framework (like a window for example) to act as a conduit, the plasma would just disperse. So, the omni-tool would have to swing out a physical frame for plasma to adher to in order to actually be effective.

I can only suspend disbelief to a certain point, until my mind says "nope, real world science trumps that horse **** explanation". I had the same problem with Plasma Swords in Halo and Lightsabers in Star Wars. <_<

Wait, as a weapon or as a tool?

Plasma does not seem related to most holographic interfaces in the ME universe, and using the omni-tool to make a sharpe blade as thin as a line of atoms, seems doable as long as one can manipulate mass altering fields. Just check out the Research descriptions in ME2.

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Where does he put his gun when he does the double punch? Does he shove it between his butt cheeks and clenches tightly so he doesnt drop it?

There must be a tether somewhere!

Eh, the plasma explanation was to showcase how the omni-blade could actually work within real world physics. The omni-tool is holographic, meaning it uses light. Light cannot be collapsed into a solid field...physics doesn't allow it.

[Someone With Mass]

I liked the giant fists better...

[Praetor Knight]

Xarathox wrote...

Eh, the plasma explanation was to showcase how the omni-blade could actually work within real world physics.

What you mean? No heat transfer to enemy?

The omni-tool is holographic, meaning it uses light. Light cannot be collapsed into a solid field...physics doesn't allow it.

OK, sure, light doesn't need to do any cutting though, only carbon lined up as thin as a line as atoms.

[SandTrout]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I liked the giant fists better...

Sad, but true. And I hate the Hulk Fist.

FTR, the actual blade of the Omni-Blade is a mono-molecular crystal sheet reminicent of Diamond that is manufactured on the fly by the user's omni-tool on the fly. As previously stated, the holographic immage is primarily for the user's convenience.

[Bogsnot1]

At least plasma sword/lightsabers have a grounding in real science. I posted this a month ago, in this thread.

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Michio Kaku explains how to build a lightsaber plasma sword, using real science.

 

[Pride Demon]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

What's the special bio-amp for Sentinels?

I've only seen the standard L5 as plausible, while the Vanguard and Adept get custom amps, L5n and L5x.

I believe you to be right... Sentinels probably have just a standard issue L5...
L5n helps Vanguards focus their biotics inward to perform Charges, and L5x helps Adepts to create a single point of collapsing super mass to produce Singularities (so yeah, Biotic Charge and Singularity are mutually esclusive), since Sentinels can't do either, I'll have to guess they have none of the specialized L5 versions...

[Foolsfolly]

Xarathox wrote...

Can someone enlighten me on how a holographic blade is supposed to cause damage to a physical being?

And that "solid state" crap can go right out the window. It would just then be Plasma, as holograms are digital 3D representation.

I thought the tech armor was stupid. Omni-tool armor stopping bullets?

And then I thought, well they have kinetic barriers which they were able to form into hexagonal shapes...so making an armor projector of that wouldn't be so stupid... So I was ok with it.

So I over looked it. Then the Shadow Broker had a riot shield made out of that omni-tool like projection thing...and I thought, well it's like an ap for the omni-tool and it's like the Tech Armor. Plus it looked so bloody cool. So I was ok with it.

Then I saw the Omni-Blade and I thought, "Well now it's a minature lightsaber." But thought, well if it's solid and can resist blows by ballastics and energy weapons then all you'd have to do is modify it into a cutting tool...and I was ok with it.

So it's magic, yes, but it's rather consistant magic. I don't see the omni-tool - Tech Armor - Omni-Blade progression as being too over the top. Still, I hope there's no omni-mace or omni-flail any time soon.

[Admoniter]

Oh good god that was worse that I thought it would have been. I must say Shepard most certainly cannot pull of double fisting omni blades.

As for the whole how do the holo sabers work... IIRC a dev stated it used mono diamond filament (or something like that) that is present in all omni tools as well as the minifabricator and charged it with a magnetic/ME/other field.

[Xarathox]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Xarathox wrote...

Eh, the plasma explanation was to showcase how the omni-blade could actually work within real world physics.

What you mean? No heat transfer to enemy?

<_<

Plasma can be manipulated into a "solid state", meaning it displays similar properties as a solid object, by repelling solid matter away from it. In order for plasma to be manipulated into this state though, it requires a conduit to form whatever shape you wish to construct with it. So, if you wanted to make a blade out of plasma, you would need a frame in the shape of the blade for the plasma to conform to. That would be impracticle to say the least, since if a solid frame is needed, why not just make a traditional blade? Much easier.

The practicality of "solid state" plasma in other areas are far more viable. NASA wanted to use it to contruct larger observation windows (since it's mostly transluceant) on manned space craft, since it has capabilites to repel debris/micrometeorites better than most known materials we have. For that same reason due to its greater than current known armor plating strength, it's potentail use as a force field is also highly desireable.

[Praetor Knight]

Nano-batteries... soon, destroy the universe later... I smell my sleepiness...

Thank you Dr. Kaku for the research, and Bogsnot1 for the link, and darn the weather for my slow internet... I'm too tired.

[No Snakes Alive]

1st of all, I'm with TC and the others. I've been pretty vocal on these boards already about my hopes that Bioware would better embrace the Sentinel's uniqueness (being Biotic AND Tech) and I've said before that their heavy melee attack animation would be a great place to display that.

And to be honest I can't for the life of me understand why they'd make both arms glow orange. I think the majority of Sentinel players wouldn't even mind the current animation if one of the arms would just glow purple instead. A skull-clapping double punch with an Omniblade and a Biotic fist would be PERFECT for a Sentinel; I really hope they just change the damn color. Sentinels appear way too Tech-centric already with Tech Armor. Here's hoping the activation animation for their new class power mode has some sort of a Biotic tint about it to balance them out.

And 2nd, I'm so sick and tired of these idiotic arguments about the plausibility of omni-blades. Why are they the straw that broke the camel's back when it comes to suspending our disbelief for the impossible-but-imaginable universe Bioware has created here. We already have Tech Armor, Combat Drones, and Shadow Broker shields: it's pretty obvious holographic interfaces have come a long way in the Mass Effect universe. You know, like space travel and telekinesis and I'm really not going to start to list every single other thing that isn't yet possible but could maybe some day be.

Oh but "punch someone with light" and the s hits the fan here. Get over it, people. Seriously.