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[Fugiz]

Tela Vasir... :-)

[alperez]

The rachni queen is too obvious imo, every single renegede has been shouting this since me1 that for bioware to go that route would at this stage almost look like a cliche.

Balak makes sense especially considering what happened in arrival, which i've always questioned why they decided Batarians instead of any other race.

But for me i'd say Rana is the most logical choice considering how your crew universally reacts to her in me2, there's foreshadowing and there's every single crew member basically calling Shepard an idiot for letting her live (every one no matter if you would consider them paragon or renegede themselves).

I mean even with the Rachni queens in me1 you get opposing views from your 2 squadmates, with Rana every single one tells you it was a bad idea.

As for it being ooc for her to actually stand up to Shepard like that, well thats easily explained, Every time we've come across her we've had the upper hand which has led her to having to plead for her life basically, reverse the situation and i bet she would be a lot more aggresive.

[didymos1120]

So, what if "You should have killed me..." isn't the gloating of someone who's got a grudge against Shep for whatever reason, but the bitterness of someone who honestly wishes you had killed them because the situation they're in now is so awful?

Modifié par didymos1120, 23 juillet 2011 - 07:01 .

[WreshmanMcGoo]

SandTrout wrote...

WreshmanMcGoo wrote...

It always bothered me that you couldn't kill Rana in ME2. I would have if given the chance because her working for Saren studying indoctrination and cloning Krogan in ME1 AND working with Okeer cloning Krogan in ME2 tells me something isn't rght with her.

Like Mordin said, I'm all for second chances, but thirds? No way, I would have blown her away right there. It never sat right with me that I found her there and couldn't off her. Does anybody else feel this way?

I didn't see a good reason to kill her in ME2. She was doing what she knows, and she wasn't working for anyone that was actively supporting the Reapers or trying to kill Shepard. Hell, she was even working toward a (relatively) noble goal of freeing the Krogan from the genophage's social damage without curing the genophage itself, which is likely to cause a nuclear response (Both Okeer and Mordin agree on this point).

This time she just happened to be indirectly involved with someone who was in Shepard's way.

Edit: Typoed in the intial post. Was refering to ME2, not ME1.

Call it a gut feeling, but there's just something more sinister just a bit off in her demeanour and character in ME2 than in ME1. Also, she is working with Saren and the Reapers in ME1 and then in ME2 working around Collector technology that they received from the Reapers with Okeer? She always seems to find herself working around Reaper tech which makes me believe she's up to no good or is possibly indoctrinated. Maybe I'm a little paranoid but something just doesn't feel right about that entire situation and I really wish I had the option to blow her away in ME2.

[lilco]

who the hell is this Balak anyway?

not everyone played the DLC's, guys.
... then again, not everyone did the sidemissions with Toombs and guys like that, so... eh.

my vote goes to Wrex and Shiala, Harkin and Sidonis too. Rachni Queen couldn't make a sentence that complex so I'd narrow her out.

[JukeFrog]

Not trying to cause a flame war, but I never understood why Renegades complain about lack of content (ex. Fist, Shiala, etc.). Isn't minimizing risks and completing missions as efficiently as possible the whole point of playing Renegade? I doubt every single killable NPC has someone who wants to avenge them.

[didymos1120]

lilco wrote...

who the hell is this Balak anyway?

not everyone played the DLC's, guys.

But everyone on here does have access to Google:

http://www.google.co...lak mass effect

Modifié par didymos1120, 23 juillet 2011 - 07:56 .

[Casterdael]

It will be the VS. BioWare will pull a TwoFace on them.

[Someone With Mass]

didymos1120 wrote...

So, what if "You should have killed me..." isn't the gloating of someone who's got a grudge against Shep for whatever reason, but the bitterness of someone who honestly wishes you had killed them because the situation they're in now is so awful?

Then there's a statistical probability of death by gunshot. A punch to the face is also likely.

[lilco]

didymos1120 wrote...

lilco wrote...

who the hell is this Balak anyway?

not everyone played the DLC's, guys.

But everyone on here does have access to Google:

http://www.google.co...lak mass effect

I know who he is. I'm just pointing out that dropping names of DLC characters is rather dumb.

[eternalnightmare13]

lilco wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

lilco wrote...

who the hell is this Balak anyway?

not everyone played the DLC's, guys.

But everyone on here does have access to Google:

http://www.google.co...lak mass effect

I know who he is. I'm just pointing out that dropping names of DLC characters is rather dumb.

Considering it's the offical forums on ME and Bring Down The Sky was free for ME1, there's nothing *dumb* about it.
Coming on here with ''who the hell'' is rude and juvenille.  Asking with some sense of maturity will get you a lot further, hoss.

Modifié par eternalnightmare13, 23 juillet 2011 - 08:12 .

[eternalnightmare13]

Maybe it's indoctrinated Conrad. That'd be hilarious for two seconds, and then I'd paint the walls with his brains.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

On every one of my playthroughs Balak is either dead or in prison. I had a little fun with him first. Now the playthroughs he's in prison, he could have escaped.

If it isn't him, it would be ... Rana. Kind of funny in a mad scientist sort of way, but I don't think it's her. But what if they're both dead?

Wrex if he was indoctrinated? With a group of indoctrinated Krogan? I'd crap.

I doubt Conrad. Harkin? Harkin isn't that stupid. Vido? Possible if you saved the refinery.

And Benezia? Noveria was an optional mission -- IIRC you got the option to go to Virmire directly after you recruited your entire team. If you didn't do the mission, the Rachni Queen would be indoctrinated as well. Benezia would be very dangerous indeed.

Coombs? Possible. The mad biotic cult leader on that moon in ME1 that you talked down?

The terrorist with the nuclear probe where you had to disarm the bomb.... what was his name.... the sun was red.... optional Alliance mission in ME1. He still has the nuke and what is he doing with it?

So I'm expecting it will be Balak or someone you either overlooked or let live.

Any number of them. I probably missed some too.

[didymos1120]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

And Benezia? Noveria was an optional mission -- IIRC you got the option to go to Virmire directly after you recruited your entire team.

No, it was not.  You can go to Virmire first, but you can't progress until you've also done all the plot worlds.  Also, you get the Virmire mission after any two plot worlds.  You can save Therum and Liara until the very end.  Bit of an Easter Egg actually, doing it that way.

Modifié par didymos1120, 23 juillet 2011 - 09:10 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Thank you. I assumed you could. I never went through the game that way. It was just that when Virmire popped up right after I recruited Liara, I assumed you could go there immediately and then the plot sequence of going back to the Citadel would start.

But all of the others mentioned are valid possibilities.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 23 juillet 2011 - 09:39 .

[Haristo]

I'm voting for that Eclipse ****

[frylock23]

I say either Rana or Shiala.

Rana just seems like a waste of effort to kill each time you run into her. I didn't expect her to outrun the nuke that she did told me she had some kind of part to play.

Shiala's continuing issues with the Thorian make me suspect that perhaps she and the colonists are morphing into new Thorians.

If the first suspicion proves true, it would be the classic case of the overlooked enemy.

If the second proves true, it would be a tragedy.

I could see either one as a possibility.

[Kaiser_Wilhelm]

frylock23 wrote...

I say either Rana or Shiala.

Rana just seems like a waste of effort to kill each time you run into her. I didn't expect her to outrun the nuke that she did told me she had some kind of part to play.

Shiala's continuing issues with the Thorian make me suspect that perhaps she and the colonists are morphing into new Thorians.

If the first suspicion proves true, it would be the classic case of the overlooked enemy.

If the second proves true, it would be a tragedy.

I could see either one as a possibility.

With the Thorian dead, any effects it had were immediately reversed. Shiala is trying to help the colonists in ME2, and, depending if you saved them and are paragon, shows romantic interest in Shepard. I'm thinking this could be Toombs. However, if you used a paragon action, like many did, he doesn't send a threatening message to Shepard, kind of eliminating the purpose of him coming back to kill you after you gave him mercy. Same goes for Rana. I spared her both times, why would she want to kill Shepard? For all three of the characters listed, there are different options for paragons, renegades, and neutrals, and each has quite a different result from the other. So if many players chose paragon actions, would they really make an entire plot arc around someone who possibly is friendly to Shepard and would have no motivation to kill him/her? This line sounds quite like something Wrex would say. Friend or foe of Shepard, Wrex is still ultranationalistic for the krogan and wants them to return to power. His plans, he says, are succeeding. Therefore, it's possible he may see Shepard as a threat to a return of krogan power. However, once again, the fact that he could be killed in ME1 makes it a bit odd to make such a major plot element when many players killed him.

Modifié par Kaiser_Wilhelm, 23 juillet 2011 - 10:33 .

[Anacronian Stryx]

I think it must be Morith..also it will give the Renegade players some extra gameplay compared to Paragons(who seems to have a lot more).

[PPF65]

Based on how they say that you should have killed them when you had the chance, and the whole comment about it being a line that every ME1 importer wants to hear, I'd say it HAS to be a character that Shepard was in a position to kill at some point in ME1, but who we couldn't acctually kill in the game.

This eliminates all ME2 only characters, as well as anyone who could acctualy die in ME1, or anyone from ME1 that could die in ME2.

So to figure this out, we have to create a list of all the people who Shepard was in a position to kill in ME1, but couldn't acctually kill, whether due to game mechanics or plot armor.

Fingers crossed that its not a Squadie - the only options would be the VS or Liara. I include the VS despite saying that this person can't be killable in ME1, because regardless of who gets left behind there is always a VS.

Modifié par PPF65, 23 juillet 2011 - 10:46 .

[frylock23]

With the Thorian dead, any effects it had were immediately reversed. Shiala is trying to help the colonists in ME2, and, depending if you saved them and are paragon, shows romantic interest in Shepard.

So, that's why Shiala turned green and the colonists are suddenly having horrible headaches and strange nightmares? That was the reason Shiala was on Ilium in ME2, seeking medical help to deal with the after effects of the Thorian. It seems to me that the effects of the Thorian were not all suddenly reversed if Shiala and the colonists are still suffering from the incident two years later.

[Anacronian Stryx]

If it must be from ME1 then Shiala springs to mind - something was weird was going on Feros ME2 anyway.

[Lexa_]

I just stumbled over this thread and signed just to post in here. Well, Hi everybody . And I think it's one of the council members. You had the chance to kill them and if it's something everybody wants to hear, I for one, hate how they treat the first human Spectre.

[Kaiser_Wilhelm]

frylock23 wrote...

With the Thorian dead, any effects it had were immediately reversed. Shiala is trying to help the colonists in ME2, and, depending if you saved them and are paragon, shows romantic interest in Shepard.

So, that's why Shiala turned green and the colonists are suddenly having horrible headaches and strange nightmares? That was the reason Shiala was on Ilium in ME2, seeking medical help to deal with the after effects of the Thorian. It seems to me that the effects of the Thorian were not all suddenly reversed if Shiala and the colonists are still suffering from the incident two years later.

After effects doesn't mean direct mind control.

[InHarmsWay]

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

frylock23 wrote...

I say either Rana or Shiala.

Rana just seems like a waste of effort to kill each time you run into her. I didn't expect her to outrun the nuke that she did told me she had some kind of part to play.

Shiala's continuing issues with the Thorian make me suspect that perhaps she and the colonists are morphing into new Thorians.

If the first suspicion proves true, it would be the classic case of the overlooked enemy.

If the second proves true, it would be a tragedy.

I could see either one as a possibility.

I'm thinking this could be Toombs. However, if you used a paragon action, like many did, he doesn't send a threatening message to Shepard, kind of eliminating the purpose of him coming back to kill you after you gave him mercy.

What?

Tombs still sends you the message even if you paragon persuade him.

From: Toombs



What the hell kind of game are you playing, Shepard? You did the buddy
act when I had the gun on that Cerberus scientist, telling me you
understood. Now I find out that you're working for Cerberus?



Tests were done on me that you can't even imagine. For years. Cerberus
did them. They tortured me. They used me as a damn lab rat. And now
you're teaming up with them like they're any other merc band?



I've got my own merc team now, Shepard. And I kill any Cerberus team I can find. If I run into you, don't expect any different.