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Posté 26 septembre 2011 - 10:39

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GodWood wrote...

marshalleck wrote...
I'm really interested in some of Enslaved and Nokturnal Mortum's experimental directions, but these bands are not for everyone, for a number of reasons.

I was meaning to ask what you thought of The Voice of Steel when you first mentioned NM.

Personally, it wasn't exactly what I expected at all but I actually enjoyed it.
Even managed to win some friends over to NM with it. 


To put it simply, that album blows my ****ing mind. 

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Posté 26 septembre 2011 - 10:51

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I'm familiar with all those bands. I was listening to metal when the second wave of black metal rose up in Scandinavia, so yeah, I know the genre pretty thoroughly. 1349 is the least bad of the bands listed, and that ended with Hellfire.

My house picks for black metal would be its pioneers. Don't waste time with the followers; nearly all of them miss the point, and mistake stylistic trappings for substance. Even Burzum has these days sadly degenerated.


Frankly I'm much more of a fan of the second-wave of black metal than the first-wave of black metal. And no, I don't think it has anything to do with my age. I simply don't really like the intentional poor recording quality that the most first-wave black metal bands have. The second-wave doesn't have that intentional poor recording quality (well, some bands from the second-wave still do that, but most don't).

So yeah, you might dislike those bands I listed in my previous posts, but I think they are amazing.

you should check out some Deathspell Omega. They started pretty bland/generic, with the low-fi, low-skill "kvlt" sound which was utterly unremarkable, and then in 2007 all of a sudden they belted out some shockingly sophisticated death/prog/black metal of some sort. They're a modern BM band that I think is pretty decent. Haven't picked up their latest output though. Here are some samples:

Sola Fida I

Not bad, but not very distinguishing. Pretty much an archetypical "kvlt black metal" sound. 

Then this only two years later:

The Shrine of Mad Laughter

I was pretty shocked at the transition, to say the least.

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Posté 27 septembre 2011 - 05:40

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Haven't picked up their latest output though.

Do you mean their latest EP? If so it's pretty good, though not as good as their contribution to the S.V.E.S.T. split.

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Posté 27 septembre 2011 - 07:45

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marshalleck wrote...

Here are some samples:

Sola Fida I

Not bad, but not very distinguishing. Pretty much an archetypical "kvlt black metal" sound. 

Then this only two years later:

The Shrine of Mad Laughter

I was pretty shocked at the transition, to say the least.




Wow yeah you are right! That indeed is a vast improvement! It kinda reminds me of 1349, though they only share few similarities. I might want to check out more from them! Thanks for the tip!

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Posté 27 septembre 2011 - 10:22

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Here are some of the bands i listne to:

Battlelore - Khazad Dûm Pt 1 Ages of Mithril
Catamenia - Iced Over
Compos Mentis - My Inner Beast
Cryptic Wintermoon - Dark Crusade
Dawn of Tears - Blood On Verona
Elvenking - Dominhate
Epica - Fools Of Damnation
Equilibrium - Unbesiegt
Evergrey - Blackened Dawn
Gurthang - W Blasku Swiec
Insomnium - Unsung
Kalmah - Bird Of Ill Omen
Kronos - Phaeton
Mar de Grises - One Possessed
Moonsorrow - Haaska
Mournful Congregation - June Frost
Nightwish - 10th Man Down
Norther - Nothing
Sacramentum - Fog's Kiss
Skepticism - Pendulum
Slumber - Distress
Suidakra - Battle-Cairns
Summoning - Lugburz
Type O Negative - Everything Dies
Vreid - Speak Godamnit

New Insomnium album the 17th Ocotber. :o

Modifié par Haventh, 27 septembre 2011 - 10:28 .

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Posté 27 septembre 2011 - 10:51

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marshalleck wrote...


And on that note, the soundtrack for Arcanum is also excellent. It's entirely string quartet, and it's some of the most subtle and yet sublime video game music I've ever heard. 


what have you done...
Never listened Arcanum's soundtrack, i was playing games with loud metal those days (young and furious B)) and i really missed a lot of good stuff. (Excluding BG and IWD series)
After reading your post i stormed the net and find Arcanum's ost.
I really missed much, gonna play Arcanum once again with this baby on.

Good to have forumies with a nice music taste.

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Posté 27 septembre 2011 - 05:01

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 Also, who's in for some epic FEMALE LEAD metal!?

The Agonist


Ah yes, females and metal music.

Or should I say: females and music

Prepare for some pseudo-philosophic bullcrap. Feel free to ignore.

When it comes to metal, I find the role women have in metal bands quite overlimited to vocalist. I don't care what kind of metal it is, be it symphonic like Within Temptation, are more deathly like the Agonist, it doesn't seem to keep me interested. If there ever is/was/will be a metal band where for instance the guitarist is a woman with some serious skills, I'd be interested of not impressed. I know there are women with guitar skills. You can find woman on YouTube who can easily play stuff like Maiden or Metallica. If those folks would actually make it into proffesional metal musicianship...

As for metal being dead, I kinda agree with marshalleck. Metal bands these days fail to grab me. In fact, the only bands that grab me have been around for over twenty years.
Bands these days, I find most of them to be pretentious and overobsessed with grunting, shrieking, shredding, blast beats and machine gun double-bass. Maybe I'm an old-school purist, but it really bores the **** out of me. If there are bands of the last decade that resemble the bands that started in the 70's/80's/early 90's, I'd love to know about them, though.

Pseudo-philosophic... never mind.

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Posté 27 septembre 2011 - 10:39

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Mister Mida wrote...

When it comes to metal, I find the role women have in metal bands quite overlimited to vocalist. I don't care what kind of metal it is, be it symphonic like Within Temptation, are more deathly like the Agonist, it doesn't seem to keep me interested. If there ever is/was/will be a metal band where for instance the guitarist is a woman with some serious skills, I'd be interested of not impressed. I know there are women with guitar skills. You can find woman on YouTube who can easily play stuff like Maiden or Metallica. If those folks would actually make it into proffesional metal musicianship...


I know plenty of women in metal-bands who aren't pushed in the lead-singer role.

A few examples:

1.  Sandra Völkl - bass guitarist - Equilibrium
2. Emmi Silvennoinen - keyboard - Ensiferum
3. Meri Tadić - violin - Eluveitie
4. Laura Christine - lead guitarist - Warface



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As for metal being dead, I kinda agree with marshalleck. Metal bands these days fail to grab me. In fact, the only bands that grab me have been around for over twenty years.
Bands these days, I find most of them to be pretentious and overobsessed with grunting, shrieking, shredding, blast beats and machine gun double-bass. Maybe I'm an old-school purist, but it really bores the **** out of me. If there are bands of the last decade that resemble the bands that started in the 70's/80's/early 90's, I'd love to know about them, though.

Pseudo-philosophic... never mind.


The problem isn't metal becoming worse. I think the problem lies with you and marshalleck. You guys need to broaden your perspective and be more open-minded about the new stuff. Music evolves, it changes, it becomes different. Whether is becomes better or worse is not something that can be objestively measured. "Better" and "worse" are completely personal opinions.
You can either stay within your small little confort zone and dismiss every new development within the metal music stream (e.g close-minded) or you can open up and try to embrace the new stuff (e.g. open-minded).

Sure, really hardcore death and black metal might not be your thing, but that's not the only type of metal that is around these days. There are plenty of genres to try out, some even sound quite similar to the oldschool heavy metal from the 70's and 80's.

Just name one old band you really love and I can name a modern band that sounds remotely similar.

Most of the bands I listen today are bands I learned to listen. Yes, that sounds weird, but it's true. It's difficult to explain but I think you understand what I mean.

I think you and marshallec need to accept that the problem lies with you and noth with today's metal bands. No offense intended, I'm just thinking out loud here.

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Posté 28 septembre 2011 - 09:39

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Luc0s wrote...

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As for metal being dead, I kinda agree with marshalleck. Metal bands these days fail to grab me. In fact, the only bands that grab me have been around for over twenty years.
Bands these days, I find most of them to be pretentious and overobsessed with grunting, shrieking, shredding, blast beats and machine gun double-bass. Maybe I'm an old-school purist, but it really bores the **** out of me. If there are bands of the last decade that resemble the bands that started in the 70's/80's/early 90's, I'd love to know about them, though.

Pseudo-philosophic... never mind.


The problem isn't metal becoming worse. I think the problem lies with you and marshalleck. You guys need to broaden your perspective and be more open-minded about the new stuff. Music evolves, it changes, it becomes different. Whether is becomes better or worse is not something that can be objestively measured. "Better" and "worse" are completely personal opinions.
You can either stay within your small little confort zone and dismiss every new development within the metal music stream (e.g close-minded) or you can open up and try to embrace the new stuff (e.g. open-minded).

Sure, really hardcore death and black metal might not be your thing, but that's not the only type of metal that is around these days. There are plenty of genres to try out, some even sound quite similar to the oldschool heavy metal from the 70's and 80's.

Just name one old band you really love and I can name a modern band that sounds remotely similar.

Most of the bands I listen today are bands I learned to listen. Yes, that sounds weird, but it's true. It's difficult to explain but I think you understand what I mean.

I think you and marshallec need to accept that the problem lies with you and noth with today's metal bands. No offense intended, I'm just thinking out loud here.

Oh I'm pretty aware that the 'problem' lies with me (it's always me).

With that said I can't change my taste of music, whether I'm being open-minded or not. I don't even call my beef with modern metal a problem. It's just that almost everytime someone shows me something of a recent metal band, it's characterized with everything I listed earlier, and that's just not cutting it for me. No matter how hard I try to learn to listen, it's just noise. The only recent metal band I can remember that is good had a really weird name. Finnish for sauna oven or something... I'm sure someone around here would know it better than me.

And I still have to listen to everything of the bands I can listen to. But at would be nice to know that once those bands retire, there's at least one band to fill in.

These are the metal bands I can at least listen to:

Black Sabbath
Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
Metallica
Slayer
Megadeth
Savatage
Iced Earth
Dio (RIP bro)

Late EDIT: Dream Theater

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Posté 28 septembre 2011 - 09:57

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As for metal being dead, I kinda agree with marshalleck. Metal bands these days fail to grab me. In fact, the only bands that grab me have been around for over twenty years.


I tend to stick around this as well. Slipknot kind of makes me sad... Avenged Sevenfold is alright, but it's not really taking my ears and blasting it with the magnificent splendor of the metal. They're just not pushing the envelope enough to make me go out and nab the album.

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Posté 28 septembre 2011 - 09:58

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hey. why haven't i stumbled upon this thread before? Slap me.

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Posté 28 septembre 2011 - 10:01

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weedyfun wrote...

hey. why haven't i stumbled upon this thread before? Slap me.

Your wish is my command.

*slaps weedyfun*

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Posté 28 septembre 2011 - 10:08

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I have a more open mind than most. Hell, I'm an unapologetic fan of Graveland and Nokturnal Mortum. The problem isn't me; the problem is too many imitators and followers, and not enough pioneers. But this is true of any creative process.

I still love metal, I'm still prepared to die for metal. 

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Posté 28 septembre 2011 - 05:55

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I have an open mind when it comes to metal. Hell, I like everything from black to power. I would die for metal, metal is basically the only thing I listen to.

However, I have my own reasons for not liking Graveland and NM. Be it my own reasons, I just can't bring myself to be a fan of either of them.

Regardless, I don't think metal is "dying" as long as it has a fanbase like this that keeps it alive. However, I think it's forever condemned to be a niche genre. But it hasn't gone the way of old school punk or grunge, nor do I think it ever will.

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Posté 28 septembre 2011 - 07:05

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As for metal being dead, I kinda agree with marshalleck. Metal bands these days fail to grab me. In fact, the only bands that grab me have been around for over twenty years.


I tend to stick around this as well. Slipknot kind of makes me sad... Avenged Sevenfold is alright, but it's not really taking my ears and blasting it with the magnificent splendor of the metal. They're just not pushing the envelope enough to make me go out and nab the album.


There is plenty of sh*tty metal, but do you honestly think every modern metla band is like Slipknot (crap) or Avenged Sevenfold (boring)?

No, most, modern metal bands are just as good as the old metal bands, if not better. Of course it also depends on what kind of metal you like. What is your favorite metal genre?


Here is a list of bands I really love and they're all modern (from the 90's or later):

1349 
Fleshgod Apocalypse 
Darkspace
Xasthur
Dawn of Demise 
Naglfar
The Project Hate MCMXCIX
Shape of Despair 
Wintersun
The Faceless


As you can see, I'm a big black/death/doom fan, with a bit of ambient and folk here and there. Maybe you don't like these genres, that's possible, but then "the problem" lies with you, not with today's music.

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Posté 28 septembre 2011 - 07:28

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Mister Mida wrote...

These are the metal bands I can at least listen to:

1. Black Sabbath
2. Judas Priest
3. Iron Maiden
4. Metallica
5. Slayer
6. Megadeth
7. Savatage
8. Iced Earth
9. Dio (RIP bro)
10. Dream Theater


Here is my list of metal bands that remotely resemble the bands in your list, but still sound unique and fresh:


1. Black Label Society
2. Hammerfall
3. Rhapsody of Fire
4. Godsmack
5. Machine Head
6. Evile
7. Evergrey
8. Symphony X
9.  (granted, nothing can be compared with the amazing Dio, so I skip this one)
10. Anathema


I numbered both lists so you know which bands resemble each other. All the bands in my list are all from the 90's or newer. Nothing is older. Maybe you won't like each and every band from my list, but I'm 100% sure you'll like at least a few of them.

Now, do you still think modern metal is all the same old crap? Or have you changed your mind?

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weedyfun wrote...

hey. why haven't i stumbled upon this thread before? Slap me.


Hi and welcome to this awesome metal thread! ^_^ Make yourself at home and feel free to join in with the discussion.

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Posté 28 septembre 2011 - 09:48

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Luc0s wrote...

Xasthur

Which actually reminded me of a somewhat related project, Lurker of Chalice. Excellent stuff. And almost has a quasi-doom feel to it, although I would call it more suicidally depressive drone. It's not for everyone. :happy:

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marshalleck wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Xasthur

Which actually reminded me of a somewhat related project, Lurker of Chalice. Excellent stuff. And almost has a quasi-doom feel to it, although I would call it more suicidally depressive drone. It's not for everyone. :happy:

Leviathan is pretty good as well.

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Posté 29 septembre 2011 - 02:09

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Cloudkicker - Dysphoria

Edit: I'll add these for more "crush" flavor.

Mourning Beloveth - ...Yet Everything
Shape Of Despair - Quiet These Paintings Are
Evoken - In Pestilence, Burning

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Posté 29 septembre 2011 - 02:16

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Haventh wrote...

Here are some of the bands i listne to:

Battlelore - Khazad Dûm Pt 1 Ages of Mithril
Catamenia - Iced Over
Compos Mentis - My Inner Beast
Cryptic Wintermoon - Dark Crusade
Dawn of Tears - Blood On Verona
Elvenking - Dominhate
Epica - Fools Of Damnation
Equilibrium - Unbesiegt
Evergrey - Blackened Dawn
Gurthang - W Blasku Swiec
Insomnium - Unsung
Kalmah - Bird Of Ill Omen
Kronos - Phaeton
Mar de Grises - One Possessed
Moonsorrow - Haaska
Mournful Congregation - June Frost
Nightwish - 10th Man Down
Norther - Nothing
Sacramentum - Fog's Kiss
Skepticism - Pendulum
Slumber - Distress
Suidakra - Battle-Cairns
Summoning - Lugburz
Type O Negative - Everything Dies
Vreid - Speak Godamnit

New Insomnium album the 17th Ocotber. :o


+1 for Skepticism, Mar de Grises and Mournful Congregation.

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Posté 29 septembre 2011 - 06:25

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Tommyspa wrote...

Cloudkicker - Dysphoria

Edit: I'll add these for more "crush" flavor.

Mourning Beloveth - ...Yet Everything
Shape Of Despair - Quiet These Paintings Are
Evoken - In Pestilence, Burning


What exactly do you mean with "crush flavor". Isn't what you posted there mostly doom?

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Posté 29 septembre 2011 - 06:27

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wiggles89 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Xasthur

Which actually reminded me of a somewhat related project, Lurker of Chalice. Excellent stuff. And almost has a quasi-doom feel to it, although I would call it more suicidally depressive drone. It's not for everyone. :happy:

Leviathan is pretty good as well.


w00t for Leviathan! Leviathan rocks!

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Posté 29 septembre 2011 - 06:49

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Luc0s wrote...

Tommyspa wrote...

Cloudkicker - Dysphoria

Edit: I'll add these for more "crush" flavor.

Mourning Beloveth - ...Yet Everything
Shape Of Despair - Quiet These Paintings Are
Evoken - In Pestilence, Burning


What exactly do you mean with "crush flavor". Isn't what you posted there mostly doom?


If you don't think doom can be crushing, then I can't explain it to you. It is something you understand by listening, or you do not.

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Posté 29 septembre 2011 - 09:23

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Tommyspa wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Tommyspa wrote...

Cloudkicker - Dysphoria

Edit: I'll add these for more "crush" flavor.

Mourning Beloveth - ...Yet Everything
Shape Of Despair - Quiet These Paintings Are
Evoken - In Pestilence, Burning


What exactly do you mean with "crush flavor". Isn't what you posted there mostly doom?


If you don't think doom can be crushing, then I can't explain it to you. It is something you understand by listening, or you do not.


I can understand how death metal can be described as "crushing". Perhaps black metal can be "crushing" too. But when I listen to doom metal I don't think about "crushing". I think about despair, lonelyness, darkness, but really mostly despair.
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