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[IronSabbath88]

What exactly is wrong with Dimmu Borgir?

Okay, so they changed their sound. Big deal, they still sound great and not like every other metal band. They clearly are not black metal anymore but that doesn't make a lick of difference to me.

I don't get the hate. They could completley abandon their older works but they acknowledge that they exist and even recently had a poll to see which album they should play in it's entirety on their UK tour.

This is coming from a guy who also likes more traditional black metal bands. Dimmu Borgir do their own thing and are damned good at doing it.

As far as NM goes, I don't like them for exactly the reason you mentioned marshalleck, their fanatic facism is disgusting. I know it's not "always" a part of their music, but when their frontman has a side project called Aryan Terrorism, I cannot bring myself to support that trash.

[GodWood]

marshalleck wrote...
Well, they're just two guys and I doubt they could afford that.

Yeah, I figured cost was the issue.
A guy can dream though...

marshalleck wrote...
*NM snip*

The Return of the Vampire Lord EP is worth a listen too

[marshalleck]

What's wrong with Demon Burger? Aside from being a big dumb carnival sideshow and Cradle of Filth's retarded little brother, nothing.

As for Aryan Terrorism...yeah, it's pretty rancid stuff. That name alone makes me wonder how serious he thinks he is; it's got to be a joke. Even if it's not, whatever. The music itself is putrid so I ignore it. It's one of the modern wonders of the world...how such genius (Goat Horns, The Voice of Steel) can be the product of the same minds that churn out thuggish bonehead rock that has barely evolved since 70s-80s streetpunk/oi.

[IronSabbath88]

I listen to Cradle of Filth and get a headache. Dani's voice is grating and sounds like a pig squealing. Shagrath has a much more awesome voice and some of the keyboard arrangements are great. I'm mostly a fan of Enthrone Darkness Triumphant, which is apparently one of the more "acceptable" Dimmu albums. But even their newer "less acceptable" albums have gems. Kings of the Carnival Creation, The Serpentine Offering, The Chosen Legacy, Dimmu Borgir are all great songs. Of course that's just my opinion so who knows.

[marshalleck]

honestly at this point I'm surprised Demon Burger haven't teamed up with Lordi to do a Nordic Metal All-Stars circus attraction.

[GodWood]

I've always figured the whole NSBM thing was just an attempt to remain completely 'anti-mainstream'.
Anti-Christianity used to be a big thing but nowadays that's pretty much a staple of most metal and has become pretty mainstream.
So what do you do to show how cool and un-mainstream you are?
Become N azis!

Or at least that's my half-arsed pseudo-psychological reasoning.
Honestly though, if the music is good I can usually just ignore it.

Modifié par GodWood, 06 octobre 2011 - 01:18 .

[IronSabbath88]

Oh no, the guy who is the founder of NM is most definitely a facist. His side projects make that quite clear. Rob Darken is also of the facist beliefs.

I understand some people can just ignore all that, but not me. I stopped listening to Burzum because Varg is a racist ******.

Modifié par IronSabbath88, 06 octobre 2011 - 01:19 .

[marshalleck]

For the vast majority of NSBM kiddies, I think you've hit the nail square on the head. It doesn't help that there's now "unblack metal" which is apparently all about our lord and savior Jesus Christ.

A pox on all their houses.

[Dreadstruck]

GodWood wrote...
I love 'em but (I'm not sure if this is blasphemy among the Summoning fanbase) I think they'd be so much better if they moved to 'real' instruments.

Eh? I thought they were already using real instruments along with some additional stuff for the uniqueness.
Not to mention it's only two of 'em(and a drum machine) doing the whole project

And here comes the fanboy vitriol: I'd have to murder them if they started sounding like Demon Burger

.

Doubt it. Dimmu Borgir is not Tolkien epic enough.

[marshalleck]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Oh no, the guy who is the founder of NM is most definitely a facist. His side projects make that quite clear. Rob Darken is also of the facist beliefs.

Don't misunderstand me; it's not something I'm unaware of. I'm simply not afraid of it. And I don't apologize for it either. They both make excellent music (with a few duds--nobody's perfect)

[IronSabbath88]

My reply was to GodWood. I should've clarified better.

[marshalleck]

Ooooooh, it all makes sense now!

[GodWood]

IronSabbath88 wrote...
Oh no, the guy who is the founder of NM is most definitely a facist. His side projects make that quite clear. Rob Darken is also of the facist beliefs.

Oh I know.

That's just my guess as to how it came about.

Avalla'ch wrote...

GodWood wrote...
I love 'em but (I'm not sure if this is blasphemy among the Summoning fanbase) I think they'd be so much better if they moved to 'real' instruments.

Eh? I thought they were already using real instruments along with some additional stuff for the uniqueness.
Not to mention it's only two of 'em(and a drum machine) doing the whole project

From what I remember only the guitars + bass are real.

Modifié par GodWood, 06 octobre 2011 - 01:35 .

[GodWood]

marshalleck wrote...
It doesn't help that there's now "unblack metal" which is apparently all about our lord and savior Jesus Christ.

A pox on all their houses.

I'd hate them but I figure the entire BM fanbase + their own bible bashing kin is more then enough.

[marshalleck]

Re: Summoning, yes. It's two guys with a guitar, a bass, a drum machine and a bunch of keyboards. And the result is pure genius. Dare I even say epic, in the truest sense of the word.

Modifié par marshalleck, 06 octobre 2011 - 01:38 .

[IronSabbath88]

Well at least Summoning's drum machine actually sounds like drums and not a mess of noise. I'm looking at YOU, Mortician. Good lord, Mortician.. some of the worst music I've ever heard. They call that **** metal?

[marshalleck]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Well at least Summoning's drum machine actually sounds like drums and not a mess of noise. I'm looking at YOU, Mortician. Good lord, Mortician.. some of the worst music I've ever heard. They call that **** metal?

I hate goregrind almost as much as I hate deathcore and unblack metal.

[IronSabbath88]

marshalleck wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Well at least Summoning's drum machine actually sounds like drums and not a mess of noise. I'm looking at YOU, Mortician. Good lord, Mortician.. some of the worst music I've ever heard. They call that **** metal?

I hate goregrind almost as much as I hate deathcore and unblack metal.

Now that we can agree on, I hate American death metal in general besides the old school bands like Death and Obituary. I much prefer European death where there is some actual melody besides just chugging and "UURRRRRGHHHHHHHH KILL DEATH KILL".

[marshalleck]

How about this criminally underappreciated band?

Atheist:

Unquestionable Presence
And the Psychic Saw

[marshalleck]

Suffocation is another brilliant US death metal band.

And of course early Deicide, Morbid Angel.

Again, we come back to a discussion of innovators and pioneers, and their legions of followers and imitators who mistake aesthetic and superficial trappings for substance.

Modifié par marshalleck, 06 octobre 2011 - 02:00 .

[IronSabbath88]

marshalleck wrote...

Suffocation is another brilliant US death metal band.

And of course early Deicide, Morbid Angel.

Again, we come back to a discussion of innovators and pioneers, and their legions of followers and imitators who mistake aesthetic and superficial trappings for substance.

Indeed, it's amazing how black metal's early pioneers like Celtic Frost and Venom aren't even close to resembling what's considered black metal today, but back then it was pretty extreme stuff. Bathory is the early pioneer that resembles the sound and the general misanthropy the genre usually has with it.

[marshalleck]

I love that blasphemous, raucous early black metal. Bathory is amazing. Under the Sign of the Black Mark is one of my favorites. And for some reason whenever I hear "Woman of Dark Desires" I can't help but think of Morrigan from DAO. I'm such a nerd.

Ildjarn channels that primal, atavistic fury also. Strength & Anger is brutal in its simplicity.

Modifié par marshalleck, 06 octobre 2011 - 02:16 .

[IronSabbath88]

Indeed Bathory is amazing. I'm partial to the first album myself but Under the Sign is a great one too.

It's amazing how much people were offended by the imagery and lyrical content back then. It was touched on in Metal: A Headbanger's Journey that Venom is incredibly tame by today's standards and is seen more as ridiculous than evil, but back then it was the most evil thing anyone ever saw. Apparently you couldn't buy Venom albums without bags over them. I guess to prevent the corruption of America's youth to the realm of Satan.. LOL

[marshalleck]

 Yeah, pretty hilarious. Tipper Gore would have a fit had she read any of Deicide's lyrics.

Damned to Hell..end my life...wrath of God...Satan! I must die...in my wake...seventh gate...Satan!
Ah, memories. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 06 octobre 2011 - 02:24 .