Sounds like they need to go have a good cry, then give each other anal.
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Sounds like they need to go have a good cry, then give each other anal.
You must be on happy pills or something, because you're not always this funny.
And apparently it isn't metal, from your "Atheist" link there. I'm guessing.
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Posté 06 octobre 2011 - 02:48
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I'm always jovial and full of mirth.
Also, not metal. So sayeth we all.
Also, not metal. So sayeth we all.
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Never mind then. I don't have a clue what metal is.
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I'm no metalhead, but I do appreciate good metal when I hear it, as I do with any music.
What do people think of Pendulum playing at metal festivals? Has anyone seen them and if so do they justify their inclusion? It seems a bit strange that a drum n bass band should play alongside bands like Iron Maiden and I'm interested in what people think. Futhermore, what do people think of Self vs Self featuring In Flames; is it acceptable to death metal fans or is it a poor DnB cross? www.youtube.com/watch
What do people think of Pendulum playing at metal festivals? Has anyone seen them and if so do they justify their inclusion? It seems a bit strange that a drum n bass band should play alongside bands like Iron Maiden and I'm interested in what people think. Futhermore, what do people think of Self vs Self featuring In Flames; is it acceptable to death metal fans or is it a poor DnB cross? www.youtube.com/watch
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Never mind then. I don't have a clue what metal is.
That band, Wolves At The Gate or something? is screamo/emocore. I think I can safely say we ALL hate emocore and screamo in this thread. It just plain hurts my ears. Sorry, but it's pretty gay.
Officially, emocore is a sub-genre of the metalcore genre. And metalcore is in fact metal. But most true metal fans don't like metalcore and HATE emocore. As do I. I REFUSE to acknowledge emocore or screamo as a metal genre.
Here, this is an example of metalcore, which is in fact metal, but I personally don't like it that much: Silent Civilian - Rebirth of The Temple
If you wish I could give a lesson about the heavy metal subculture and what is or isn't metal, but that would take several comments to type it all out.
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Wereparrot wrote...
I'm no metalhead, but I do appreciate good metal when I hear it, as I do with any music.
What do people think of Pendulum playing at metal festivals? Has anyone seen them and if so do they justify their inclusion? It seems a bit strange that a drum n bass band should play alongside bands like Iron Maiden and I'm interested in what people think. Futhermore, what do people think of Self vs Self featuring In Flames; is it acceptable to death metal fans or is it a poor DnB cross? www.youtube.com/watch
In-Flames pretty much dropped the balls for me. I always kinda liked the old In Flames, but how they sound now is just main-stream crap. They have become sellouts. The fact that they teamed up With Pendulum to make this song already shows how f*cking sellout they have become.
While I can appreciate good drum' n bass, Pendulum isn't that. Pendulum doesn't even remotely sound drum 'n bass anymore with their later albums. And this song, this song is a disgrace to both the heavy metal subculture and the drum 'n bass subculture. It's not good drum 'n bass and it isn't good metal either. Sorry, but this song really falls short on both sides.
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By the way, I really love the instrumental work of Apocalyptica. In my opinion they really know how to make classical music sound etremely metal.
This song is just friggin' amazing: Apocalyptica - Prologue
I really don't like Apocalyptica's songs with vocals, but their insturmental songs (like the entire Reflections album) are, in my opinion, amazing.
What do you guys think?
This song is just friggin' amazing: Apocalyptica - Prologue
I really don't like Apocalyptica's songs with vocals, but their insturmental songs (like the entire Reflections album) are, in my opinion, amazing.
What do you guys think?
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Posté 06 octobre 2011 - 12:04
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Luc0s wrote...
Wereparrot wrote...
I'm no metalhead, but I do appreciate good metal when I hear it, as I do with any music.
What do people think of Pendulum playing at metal festivals? Has anyone seen them and if so do they justify their inclusion? It seems a bit strange that a drum n bass band should play alongside bands like Iron Maiden and I'm interested in what people think. Futhermore, what do people think of Self vs Self featuring In Flames; is it acceptable to death metal fans or is it a poor DnB cross? www.youtube.com/watch
In-Flames pretty much dropped the balls for me. I always kinda liked the old In Flames, but how they sound now is just main-stream crap. They have become sellouts. The fact that they teamed up With Pendulum to make this song already shows how f*cking sellout they have become.
While I can appreciate good drum' n bass, Pendulum isn't that. Pendulum doesn't even remotely sound drum 'n bass anymore with their later albums. And this song, this song is a disgrace to both the heavy metal subculture and the drum 'n bass subculture. It's not good drum 'n bass and it isn't good metal either. Sorry, but this song really falls short on both sides.
I thought someone would say this. It's true that Pendulum have departed from their roots with their last two albums, but I still like them; but personally I do think that Self vs Self is a bit of a mess. I can't really comment on In Flames because death metal itself isn't really my thing: I don't like the growling although I can appreciate the guitarwork and drumming of bands like Nile. The only extreme metal band I really like is Immortal.
While we're on the subject of metal crossovers, I think a metal remix of Straight Outta Compton would be interesting: the vocals are strong enough to work over heavy guitars.
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Posté 06 octobre 2011 - 03:58
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Luc0s wrote...
Wereparrot wrote...
I'm no metalhead, but I do appreciate good metal when I hear it, as I do with any music.
What do people think of Pendulum playing at metal festivals? Has anyone seen them and if so do they justify their inclusion? It seems a bit strange that a drum n bass band should play alongside bands like Iron Maiden and I'm interested in what people think. Futhermore, what do people think of Self vs Self featuring In Flames; is it acceptable to death metal fans or is it a poor DnB cross? www.youtube.com/watch
In-Flames pretty much dropped the balls for me. I always kinda liked the old In Flames, but how they sound now is just main-stream crap. They have become sellouts. The fact that they teamed up With Pendulum to make this song already shows how f*cking sellout they have become.
Oh man can we agree there. I love the older In Flames. Have you heard Goliaths Disarm Their Davids? Such an amazing song but they NEVER do anything like that anymore. At one point they were easily the best Gothenberg death metal band around and now they play cheesy "alternative metal" that sucks so much balls it ain't funny.
How the mighty have fallen..
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Never mind then. I don't have a clue what metal is.
That band, Wolves At The Gate or something? is screamo/emocore. I think I can safely say we ALL hate emocore and screamo in this thread. It just plain hurts my ears. Sorry, but it's pretty gay.
Officially, emocore is a sub-genre of the metalcore genre. And metalcore is in fact metal. But most true metal fans don't like metalcore and HATE emocore. As do I. I REFUSE to acknowledge emocore or screamo as a metal genre.
Here, this is an example of metalcore, which is in fact metal, but I personally don't like it that much: Silent Civilian - Rebirth of The Temple
If you wish I could give a lesson about the heavy metal subculture and what is or isn't metal, but that would take several comments to type it all out.
Just tell me basically.
Lots of guitars? Heavy guitars? Crazy distorted guitars, or clean?
Vocals, are they clean or growly?
Explain in those kind of terms.
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Just tell me basically.
Lots of guitars? Heavy guitars? Crazy distorted guitars, or clean?
Vocals, are they clean or growly?
Explain in those kind of terms.
I'll answer in order of your questions.
1. Usually just 2 guitarist but during recording it can get complex because there is multi layering of tracks, It's used to bolster the sound of distortion for rhythm guitar and for harmonies in both lead and rhythm. In short.
2. Yes heavy guitars, excessive use of power chords and palm muting to make extra chunky sounding music.
3. Based on classic rock being like AC/DC, yes crazy distorted guitars, the more distortion or gain you have the chunkier tone you can get, in laymens terms. Guitar tone as a whole is entirely too long a conversation to have, Bass, mids, highs, overdrive, distortion, clean a bunch of other things. Clean is used by alot of bands in the bridges of songs or intro or outros, it can still be metal but it usually has a style of its own compared to folk-y or alternative music clean sounds.
4. Vocals are usually growled but there are different types of growl-y type vocals, you got low grunts and highs, I call them squawks. It's basically the guttural version of falsetto really. And clean can be used quite effectively in metal as well, but its more of a feel of the song thing that makes it acceptable.
Bear in mind this is a rather basic description, someone else might pick up my slack if they're interested.
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That's helpful.
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Posté 07 octobre 2011 - 07:32
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Luc0s wrote...
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Never mind then. I don't have a clue what metal is.
That band, Wolves At The Gate or something? is screamo/emocore. I think I can safely say we ALL hate emocore and screamo in this thread. It just plain hurts my ears. Sorry, but it's pretty gay.
Officially, emocore is a sub-genre of the metalcore genre. And metalcore is in fact metal. But most true metal fans don't like metalcore and HATE emocore. As do I. I REFUSE to acknowledge emocore or screamo as a metal genre.
Here, this is an example of metalcore, which is in fact metal, but I personally don't like it that much: Silent Civilian - Rebirth of The Temple
If you wish I could give a lesson about the heavy metal subculture and what is or isn't metal, but that would take several comments to type it all out.
Pretty broad generalizations there, bud. Good screamo exists, you just need to wade through a lot of BS to get to it.
Also, writing something off as "gay" makes you sound like an idiot. I'm sure you're not an idiot, which is why I assume you don't want to sound like one.
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The Used was good screamo back in the day, so was Senses Fail, then there is Silverstein too. I'll say Silverstein and Senses Fail were quite the entertaining bands live when I saw them at Warped Tour in '06.ianmcdonald wrote...
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Never mind then. I don't have a clue what metal is.
That band, Wolves At The Gate or something? is screamo/emocore. I think I can safely say we ALL hate emocore and screamo in this thread. It just plain hurts my ears. Sorry, but it's pretty gay.
Officially, emocore is a sub-genre of the metalcore genre. And metalcore is in fact metal. But most true metal fans don't like metalcore and HATE emocore. As do I. I REFUSE to acknowledge emocore or screamo as a metal genre.
Here, this is an example of metalcore, which is in fact metal, but I personally don't like it that much: Silent Civilian - Rebirth of The Temple
If you wish I could give a lesson about the heavy metal subculture and what is or isn't metal, but that would take several comments to type it all out.
Pretty broad generalizations there, bud. Good screamo exists, you just need to wade through a lot of BS to get to it.
Also, writing something off as "gay" makes you sound like an idiot. I'm sure you're not an idiot, which is why I assume you don't want to sound like one.
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I know there are some thrash metal fans here, so have you heard the newer bands to come out of the thrash scene? These two are currently touring together and both bands absolutely SLAY playing some old school balls to the wall thrash metal.
Warbringer
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Pretty broad generalizations there, bud. Good screamo exists, you just need to wade through a lot of BS to get to it.
Also, writing something off as "gay" makes you sound like an idiot. I'm sure you're not an idiot, which is why I assume you don't want to sound like one.
Sorry, but I've listened to all the "true" screamo bands you can probably think of, and I didn't like one bit of it. You see, a friend of my is a pretty hardcore screamo fan. He knows what is "true screamo" and what isn't. He gave me some of the best screamo bands that he had to offer, from the old stuff to the new stuff, and I didn't like a single song.
Sorry, but screamo just really isn't my thing. It just totally really isn't. In my opinion it's quite horrible, even "the good stuff".
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Just tell me basically.
Lots of guitars? Heavy guitars? Crazy distorted guitars, or clean?
Vocals, are they clean or growly?
Explain in those kind of terms.
What Tommy said was quite accurate.
I do have some information to add though.
There are different types of metal. I think the best way to explain the heavy metal subculture is to take you through a (very very) brief tour through the history of heavy metal, with some examples along the way. So here goes nothing...
Heavy metal first started as a sub-genre of hard rock. Black Sabbath and a few other bands took hard rock to a new level with a extreme low, distorded and heavy sounds. Heavy metal was born. Where hard rock was more melodic, the early heavy metal had a darker, heavier monothone sound.
Not long after, heavy metal started to split up into different genres. Speed metal and glam metal among other types of metal (such a power metal and the first wave of black metal) were born.
Speed metal was much faster than the traditional heavy metal, often louder too. Racer X is a good example.
Glam metal was actually closer to the old hard rock sound, but with a lot of show and glamour added to it. Glam metal was much more melodic than traditional heavy metal. It also contained a lot of high-pitch sounds in both the guitars and the vocals. One of the glam metal pioneers was Motley Crue.
After the speed metal and glam metal period, a new evolution in the heavy metal genre happened, introducing trash metal. Trash metal went back to the roots of heavy metal and transformed it into an even lower, heavier and louder sound. The best way to describe the sound of trash metal is "dirty", hence the name -trash- metal. A perfect example of this is Megadeth.
From trash metal, we are heading towards death metal. Death metal takes the sound of trash metal to a new height and adds a new layer of brutality to it. Death metal was often dark, brutal and the lyrics were vulgar. Growling voices, known als "grunts" and "death growls" were introduced with the coming of death metal. You can clearly hear this in the band Possessed.
Meanwhile, another dark metal genre evolved, similar to death metal, yet quite different. We're talking about black metal. Black metal had a much higher, colder and more low-fi sound than death metal. Black metal introduced high-pitched grunting vocals, which is quite different from death metal's low-pitched grunting voals. Mayhem is a good example of this.
From this period forth, tons of different metal genres came into existence. Simply too many to name them all in one post. A few examples are folk metal (Finntroll), symphonic metal (Kamelot), metalcore (Trivium) and nu-metal (Korn).
That basically sums it all up. For a more detailed tour through the history of heavy metal, I advice you to take a look at mapofmetal.com. Kinda cool website.
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Interesting. It's kind of interesting when you think about how many different sub-genres of something there are.
Techno, for example. *hides*
Techno, for example. *hides*
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Interesting. It's kind of interesting when you think about how many different sub-genres of something there are.
Techno, for example. *hides*
I recently started a doom metal band myself, together with the singer from a different I temporary played in.
I didn't name doom metal in my previous post, but it's actually also a big genre within the heavy metal subculture. My favorite doom metal band at the moment is Swallow The Sun.
Anyway, I hope you have a better understanding of the heavy metal genre as a whole now.
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Somewhat, yes. Thanks.
