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[NamiraWilhelm]

Its sh!tting awful, so sad. And im not reading this thread since i know one person at least will say something douschebaggy

[C9316]

I'd love to see how many deranged fangirls worldwide would bawl their eyes out if Bieber were to be found dead tomorrow...

[billy the squid]

Autolycus wrote...

hehe....

Really..people calling the loss of a talentless, useless junky waste of space a sad loss? She was everything that is wrong with society today....

Thank you for saying this, I thought I was alone in this line of thought and was starting to feel bad.

[Addai]

No matter what she did or didn't do with her life, it's a human being we're talking about.

Be a mensch, don't be a schlamozel. And don't speak ill of the dead.

[C9316]

Autolycus wrote...

Don't feel bad billy....(But then I don't care who I upset on here...most ppl hate me anyway lol).

Bottom line is, decent, hard working people go out every day to try and pay their rent, put food on the table etc etc....and trash like that.....ugghhh...

Waste of valuable fresh air that the rest of us need...the very fact that people even look up to someone like that says a lot of about society and the people (not all) within it in this modern era that we live in.

+1

*hands you free internet*

[Ulous]

Autolycus wrote...

Don't feel bad billy....(But then I don't care who I upset on here...most ppl hate me anyway lol).

Bottom line is, decent, hard working people go out every day to try and pay their rent, put food on the table etc etc....and trash like that.....ugghhh...

Waste of valuable fresh air that the rest of us need...the very fact that people even look up to someone like that says a lot of about society and the people (not all) within it in this modern era that we live in.

I personally am not upset by you or your comments, but I do think it would/could be beneficial to you to educate yourself on addictions and the causes of addiction.

[billy the squid]

Autolycus wrote...

Don't feel bad billy....(But then I don't care who I upset on here...most ppl hate me anyway lol).

Bottom line is, decent, hard working people go out every day to try and pay their rent, put food on the table etc etc....and trash like that.....ugghhh...

Waste of valuable fresh air that the rest of us need...the very fact that people even look up to someone like that says a lot of about society and the people (not all) within it in this modern era that we live in.

Oh, yes I agree. I simply cannot comprehend how we, as a society, have reached this point. Where this, is what some people aspire to.

[Druss99]

C9316 wrote...

Druss99 wrote...

Girchou wrote...

While it is all well and good that this is bad,it is a sad reflection on humanity that this is getting more coverage than the Oslo attacks.

I was just thinking that, the BBC news flash thingy that they show on BBC3 came on before Family Guy anouncing that theres "only one piece of news" a drugged up alcholic singer is dead. No mention of all the deaths in Norway.

You're not surprised right? People love their pet celebrities.

Not surprised at all and thats the saddest part. Still atleast she isnt Jordan.

[MassFrost]

Definitely feel bad for her family and those she left behind, but I really don't see how her death could come as a surprise to anybody.

[Ulous]

Autolycus wrote...

Oh I know about them very well...does not change what she was....addiction or not.

Well what was she then? Other than someone that was completely destroyed by her own addictions? And how can any way she behaved be blamed on anything but her addictions and/or a poor upbringing?

The main problem here is that her own addictions carry far less implications on society than many addictions that are not even noticed or recognised, for example peoples addictions to power and money have bought the world to it's knees with pollution, environmental destruction, war, poverty and money mechanics that depend upon perpetual debt. Not only are these barely criticized or mentioned in the media but they are rewarded and revered by handing the addicted person more money and/or power.

Modifié par Ulous, 23 juillet 2011 - 09:06 .

[C9316]

Causes of addiction? Oh lord, is no one responsible for their own actions anymore?

[Swordfishtrombone]

Girchou wrote...

While it is all well and good that this is bad,it is a sad reflection on humanity that this is getting more coverage than the Oslo attacks.

I don't know what news source you are looking at, but It isn't getting more coverage everywhere.

I'm looking at the CNN international edition front page right now, and there's two small-print links to an article on Winehouse (both lead to the same article), and most of the page reserved for images, video clips and links to stories around the events in Norway, with a big title "Norway's Grief" on the top of the page.

[Ulous]

C9316 wrote...

Causes of addiction? Oh lord, is no one responsible for their own actions anymore?

Are people responsible for their own actions? For the most part yes. Are people fully in control of their ability to not get addicted to things? Not at all, things that happen to people early in their lives can have a massive impact on if they become addicts or not, that isn't only to drugs but to anything, look how many people go shopping? But only a few people become addicted to it, it is because that minority of people are more susceptible to addiction and lack impulse control that many of us posses.

Modifié par Ulous, 23 juillet 2011 - 09:17 .

[billy the squid]

Autolycus wrote...

Oh I know about them very well...does not change what she was....addiction or not.

@billy.....

Completely agreed.  As Druss pointed out earlier...92 people died yesterday in Norway....yet every single news channel (here in the UK at least) as that women as their top story....and that's society form you.....makes you sick doesn't it.

Yes, I live in the UK to. So I find it mind boggling, quite frankly, that the rise of "popular" culture has reached the levels that it has, were the feckless and the stupid are elevated to levels of stardom, whilst issues of real importance are sidelined.

Yet, our current political discourse in the House of Commons consists of inane sniping. Considering that I find the Financial Times' analysis and coverage of the news a good read suggests that I may be in the minority, so I tend to dispair and have given up on watching television in general, apart from the news. 

Modifié par billy the squid, 23 juillet 2011 - 09:31 .

[Ulous]

billy the squid wrote...

Yes, I live in the UK to. So I find it mind boggling, quite frankly, that the rise of "popular" culture has reached the levels that it has, were the feckless and the stupid are elevated to levels of stardom, whilst issues of real importance are sidelined.

Just calling these people Stupid and Feckless isn't really going to solve anything, and ones idea of issues of importance can be different from person to person, for example the fact that 40% of the worlds wealth is controlled by 1% of the population is a big issue for me, over 50,000 people a day dieing from starvation is a big issue for me, the fact over half the worlds population live on less than two dollars a day is also a big issue to me (I could go on), and what is of even greater concern is that all these issues are caused by the minority's greed which is a bi-product of that same minority's addiction to money and power.

It is strange how when the government make something people get addicted to illegal people become judgemental of it.

Modifié par Ulous, 23 juillet 2011 - 09:36 .

[C9316]

Ulous wrote...

C9316 wrote...

Causes of addiction? Oh lord, is no one responsible for their own actions anymore?

Are people responsible for their own actions? For the most part yes. Are people fully in control of their ability to not get addicted to things? Not at all, things that happen to people early in their lives can have a massive impact on if they become addicts or not, that isn't only to drugs but to anything, look how many people go shopping? But only a few people become addicted to it, it is because that minority of people are more susceptible to addiction and lack impulse control that many of us posses.

Does that mean anyone who had a crappy childhood will end up being an alcoholic or a criminal? Does every spoiled rich kid end up being addicted to money? And do people who do not have these things not end up with problems? You have to draw the line somewhere, sure some people may have had a bad early experience in life but that doesn't mean it is necessarily an excuse for choosing to partake in potentially life destroying practices. At least that's just my two cents on the matter... 

[Ghost Lightning]

I was never a fan of hers but this is just tragic. People shouldn't die that young, and I say this from the point of view of being nine years her junior. It's really sad. RIP

Modifié par Ghost Lightning, 23 juillet 2011 - 09:42 .

[Ulous]

C9316 wrote...


Does that mean anyone who had a crappy childhood will end up being an alcoholic or a criminal? Does every spoiled rich kid end up being addicted to money? And do people who do not have these things not end up with problems? You have to draw the line somewhere, sure some people may have had a bad early experience in life but that doesn't mean it is necessarily an excuse for choosing to partake in potentially life destroying practices. At least that's just my two cents on the matter... 

It isn't that black and white, it is much deeper than that in many cases, a humans brain at age 3 is 80% the size of an adults, while a 3 years olds body is only 10%-20% the size of an adults, the impact on the human brain in these first 3 years is a massive one, so things that happen even before your active memory remembers anything can have an impact, for example a mother suffering from stress (which is something that happens more often now) can cause a large decrease in the childs endorphin production, this continues on right up into adulthood, getting addicted to something causes an increase in endorphins, people who have suffered in childhood are low in these and hence they seek to medicate themselves, couple this with a lack of impulse control which is another bi-product of a stressful childhood makes for a very ill person.

This does not mean addiction is untreatable however, the problem is that many re-hab centres are still in the stone age when it comes to treatment, they seek to treat these problems with more drugs which usually only results in a temporary fix, but of course this is not likely to change soon as many of the big pharmaceutical company's are making a fortune from this.

Modifié par Ulous, 23 juillet 2011 - 09:59 .

[DragonRageGT]

There's really only one thing that makes us all equals and that is the unavoidable fate. Some people choose how and when. Or are just too powerless to keep trying cope with this hell of a plane and give up to any anesthetic substance even if it cost them a fast reaching that unavoidable fate.

[KBomb]

Autolycus wrote...

hehe....

Really..people calling the loss of a talentless, useless junky waste of space a sad loss? She was everything that is wrong with society today....

If you think someone like her is what is wrong with society--and in the same breath condemn those who feel compassion for anyone who is young, who senselessly and effortlessly ran to their grave--then that says more about you than it does about us. Compassion doesn’t have to be summed up in parts and rationed out. It can be given freely. In my opinion, it is a loss of talent. I can understand people being upset that the media is putting her death before the tragedy in Norway--that doesn’t negate the fact that she was a human being with faults and fallacies and vices that made her a part of the most unfortunate dregs of life. It fascinates me how people think you can only have compassion and pity for a certain ilk of society. It makes me wonder how polished and carefree and pious their life must be that they can dole out condemnation and judgment so easily. But yes, of course--it’s your opinion.

[Turnip Root]

What a shame...

She was a good woman, what a rotten way to die.