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[marshalleck]

Feraele wrote...

I think you're trolling me...I think that what you say is rather disturbing.    I am glad I am not on your list of people who deserve to die....didn't Hitler have a list like that?

I'm not trolling you, but that cold feeling of dread in your gut when you read the words is what you've been conditioned to feel should you hear or see speak against the lie that all people are equally capable and/or equally desirable.

Look, I'm not saying I have any desire to kill anyone. Sheesh. I really sincerely hope I'm never, EVER in such a situation. I'm just saying, there are very horrible people out there who have no redeeming qualities, and who would be missed by nobody. And in whose passing, the world would be made a safer place for any who would have otherwise come into contact with them otherwise. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 24 juillet 2011 - 08:05 .

[Feraele]

Slidell505 wrote...

Feraele wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Feraele wrote...

As for  people "deserving" to die,  I don't think that is our place to decide that...is it?   

Absolutely. There is no higher, objective moral arbiter to do it for us. And the people I would put on a "deserving" list are truly nasty, horrible individuals without whom the world would be a much better place. Amy Winehouse is nowhere near their league.

This idea that "all human life is valuable" is a sweet-sounding lie for children.

I think you're trolling me...I think that what you say is rather disturbing.    I am glad I am not on your list of people who deserve to die....didn't Hitler have a list like that?

I think he would put people like Hitler on the list.

Ahhh that was enlightening, do you speak for him now? lol

[Feraele]

marshalleck wrote...

Feraele wrote...

I think you're trolling me...I think that what you say is rather disturbing.    I am glad I am not on your list of people who deserve to die....didn't Hitler have a list like that?

I'm not trolling you, but that cold feeling of dread in your gut when you read the words is what you've been conditioned to feel should you hear or see speak against the lie that all people are equally capable and/or equally desirable.

Look, I'm not saying I have any desire to kill anyone. Sheesh. I really sincerely hope I'm never, EVER in such a situation. I'm just saying, there are very horrible people out there who have no redeeming qualities, and who would be missed by nobody. And in whose passing, the world would be made a safer place for any who would have otherwise come into contact with them otherwise. 

I have no cold feeling of dread,  I just think that your reaction to a human death is rather...disturbing and cold yes.

Also determining who should be on that "list"...is rather ..like playing God isn't it?    I don't wish death or harm on anyone..ever.   I don't hate anyone..at all.       People die and I don't make a joke of it, tell jokes about them, speak ill of them..or anything like that.    

That's my upbringing..I am probably a rare breed these days....soon to die out.    Too many self-centred Me, me, me, me types in the world,  specifically encountered on the internet.

What goes around comes around....

[DragonRageGT]

No one "deserves" to die. Yet no one can escape it and no one dies one second before the time that is set for them. We are ultimately all just food for worms. How they lived, what's their legacy, how much did they shine is what will remain in people's memory, particularly of those who knew the departed more closely.

She was a really talented girl, gifted with a powerful voice, ultimately wasted since she could not sing to save her life lately, metaphorically speaking, not. Shine too much, shine too fast and forget to be humble and grateful for where that shinning came from and it's hard to deal with success.

Still there are enough really evil people left to remind us the worst human race can have but even they cannot escape it. Best they can do is hope that the worms have a bad time at dinner.

[marshalleck]

Slidell505 wrote...

Feraele wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Feraele wrote...

As for  people "deserving" to die,  I don't think that is our place to decide that...is it?   

Absolutely. There is no higher, objective moral arbiter to do it for us. And the people I would put on a "deserving" list are truly nasty, horrible individuals without whom the world would be a much better place. Amy Winehouse is nowhere near their league.

This idea that "all human life is valuable" is a sweet-sounding lie for children.

I think you're trolling me...I think that what you say is rather disturbing.    I am glad I am not on your list of people who deserve to die....didn't Hitler have a list like that?

I think he would put people like Hitler on the list.

I suppose. Who I actually had in mind were the cannibal warlords of the second Liberian civil war. Just as an example.

If you ever want to feel absolutely sick to your stomach, spend some time reading about them. Then come back and tell me all human life is valuable. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 24 juillet 2011 - 08:12 .

[Ulous]

Feraele wrote...

  Like someone stated on one of the you-tube videos,  she was crying for help....but I don't think she knew how to accept what was offered.

The problem is that the help she was offered was inadequate, she was basically just being offered prescription versions of the drugs she was already taking from the doctor feelgoods, to treat someone like Amy Whinehouse would have taken a lot of time, time her money men would not have liked her spending getting better, it is/was much better for them to keep sending her onto stage sick as a parrot and taking the money from her average performances, now she is dead they seek to make another lump sum............ and those that get that money are the real dregs of society in this situation.

[Feraele]

marshalleck wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

Feraele wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Feraele wrote...

As for  people "deserving" to die,  I don't think that is our place to decide that...is it?   

Absolutely. There is no higher, objective moral arbiter to do it for us. And the people I would put on a "deserving" list are truly nasty, horrible individuals without whom the world would be a much better place. Amy Winehouse is nowhere near their league.

This idea that "all human life is valuable" is a sweet-sounding lie for children.

I think you're trolling me...I think that what you say is rather disturbing.    I am glad I am not on your list of people who deserve to die....didn't Hitler have a list like that?

I think he would put people like Hitler on the list.

I suppose. Who I actually had in mind were the cannibal warlords of the second Liberian civil war. Just as an example.

If you ever want to feel absolutely sick to your stomach, spend some time reading about them. Then come back and tell me all human life is valuable. 

And...those were the only cannibals in the history of man?     Probably not.      I don't know how Amy Winehouse and cannibal warlords landed in the same conversation.    I think she was  many many levels higher than that.

The Romans had some pretty disgusting practices.. Caligula comes to mind, and other so-called civilizations as well.     Perhaps we'll blow ourselves  up with nuclear arms some day, and that will put an end, once and for all to the whole argument.

Nevertheless, we are here for the time being. 

[Gterror]

This weekend really is depressing, first Norway then this.. R.I.P all of them.

[marshalleck]

Feraele wrote...

And...those were the only cannibals in the history of man?     Probably not.      I don't know how Amy Winehouse and cannibal warlords landed in the same conversation.    I think she was  many many levels higher than that.

The Romans had some pretty disgusting practices.. Caligula comes to mind, and other so-called civilizations as well.     Perhaps we'll blow ourselves  up with nuclear arms some day, and that will put an end, once and for all to the whole argument.

Nevertheless, we are here for the time being. 

The only examples? No, of course not. As I said, just an example. Though I don't know if you'll find any others who chopped up the president of their country with machetes and then shot him, live on national television.

And you're right. Amy Winehouse doesn't hold a candle to that. Which is what I've been saying all along. On the scale of people who just need to go, she's well toward the bottom. All I said is when you treat your body the way she did, this sort of thing is bound to happen and it's hard for me to feel sympathy.

Modifié par marshalleck, 24 juillet 2011 - 08:27 .

[Feraele]

Ulous wrote...

Feraele wrote...

  Like someone stated on one of the you-tube videos,  she was crying for help....but I don't think she knew how to accept what was offered.

The problem is that the help she was offered was inadequate, she was basically just being offered prescription versions of the drugs she was already taking from the doctor feelgoods, to treat someone like Amy Whinehouse would have taken a lot of time, time her money men would not have liked her spending getting better, it is/was much better for them to keep sending her onto stage sick as a parrot and taking the money from her average performances, now she is dead they seek to make another lump sum............ and those that get that money are the real dregs of society in this situation.

I read something yesterday about her resisting going onstage..think that was the failed performance where she ended up getting booed off stage?    She knew that she wasn't up to it, but she got pushed onstage by whomever..maybe managers?     If you are that sick or that drunk or whatever it was...then they shouldn't be forcing her onstage..rather get her to the rehab place to recover. 

[Feraele]

marshalleck wrote...

Feraele wrote...

And...those were the only cannibals in the history of man?     Probably not.      I don't know how Amy Winehouse and cannibal warlords landed in the same conversation.    I think she was  many many levels higher than that.

The Romans had some pretty disgusting practices.. Caligula comes to mind, and other so-called civilizations as well.     Perhaps we'll blow ourselves  up with nuclear arms some day, and that will put an end, once and for all to the whole argument.

Nevertheless, we are here for the time being. 

The only examples? No, of course not. As I said, just an example. Though I don't know if you'll find any others who chopped up the president of their country with machetes and then shot him, live on national television.

And you're right. Amy Winehouse doesn't hold a candle to that. Which is what I've been saying all along. On the scale of people who just need to go, she's well toward the bottom. All I said is when you treat your body the way she did, this sort of thing is bound to happen and it's hard for me to feel sympathy.

I guess we'll eventually find out what the whole story was,  "someone" will probably sit down and write about it.   I want to know what was going on with her, I just feel like there was more to it than..oh she's just a useless junkie..a throw-away human.      

I think there was alot of emotional pain happening there, if you watch her eyes in her videos...at one point she sings,  I need a friend...the point does shoot home. 

[Ulous]

Autolycus wrote...

I have had manic depression and a nervous breakdown myself, but I didn't turn to drink and drugs, I sorted my damn life out and dealt with my problems.

Who ever said Manic depression and or a nervous breakdown leads to drugs? Drugs are just one of many things that people get addicted to, and people get addicted to things because their brains lack natural opiates, for the best part it really is that simple.

Just because your personal life experiences never took you down this path does not make you holier than thou, it just means in the end you were mentally stronger than some or most in your predicament, you could try helping people in the same situation instead of beating up on them maybe?

Only in the prescence of compassion will people allow themselves to see the truth.

Modifié par Ulous, 24 juillet 2011 - 10:31 .

[vometia]

Autolycus wrote...

For the record...

I never said she deserved to die. Secondly, she was a talentless junky. Thirdly, we all have problems we have to deal with, I have had manic depression

You've "had" manic depression...?

[J0HNL3I]

Shouldn't have done drugs then.

[DragonRageGT]

Give some strong drug to 10 people and 9 will say whatever they want and go on with their lives. One out of 10 will feel like they discovered the answer for all their problems. And will enter the progressive, incurable and fatal route of addiction. It is a disease and has nothing to do with mental strength or anything. There is NO known cause for it. The World Health Organization says so. My 18 years working with addicts say so.

Many other really "talenteless" people died at the same age of 27, of the same cause, if it is confirmed in her case. Like Janis, Hendrix, Kurt, Morrison...

I didn't like her work except as few pieces and actually didn't listen much to it but I am a musician and one that can really admire other people's talents. She had it. She wasted it. Pity. R.I.P.

[Ulous]

RageGT wrote...

There is NO known cause for it. The World Health Organization says so. My 18 years working with addicts say so.

I disagree, the WHO will say whatever puts the most money in the pharmaceuitcals pockets half the time, and recognising the causes of addiction would also require a massive shift in social change to help prevent it, which again the powers that be do not want.

You say you have worked with addicts for 18 years? In what capacity? And how much true history do you know about each addict? And also do you have access to each addicts parents to ask them of how the addict was treated prior to his/her own re-call memory even starting to work?

Modifié par Ulous, 24 juillet 2011 - 11:56 .

[DragonRageGT]

Ulous wrote...

RageGT wrote...

There is NO known cause for it. The World Health Organization says so. My 18 years working with addicts say so.

I disagree, the WHO will say whatever puts the most money in the pharmaceuitcals pockets half the time, and recognising the causes of addiction would also require a massive shift in social change to help prevent it, which again the powers that be do not want.

You say you have worked with addicts for 18 years? In what capacity? And how much true history do you know about each addict? And also do you have access to each addicts parents to ask them of how the addict was treated prior to his/her own re-call memory even starting to work?

Calm down. I just said there is no known cause. Doesn't mean there is not enough speculation about them. It just that a single one cannot be proved and the other possibilities discarded. Can it be genetic? Sure, kids of addict parents may have more propension to develop it. Can it be a mental disorder in some specific part of the brain? Definitely.  Chemical Dependency Syndrome identifies a paricular area of the brain that is affected. Can it be spiritual? Why not? People who don't try escape reality or to have immediate pleasure at any cost don't usually use any humor altering substances to a degree that causes them problems.

In any case, Amy's powerful voice will live longer than most of us. She wasn't awarded 5 Grammy's for her looks, I guess.

[Russalka]

Autolycus wrote...

Secondly, she was a talentless junky.

Opinions.

And for the rest of the discussion... Don't know if this has been posted, but it was very nice.

Modifié par Russalka, 24 juillet 2011 - 03:23 .

[blothulfur]

Heard that Elton John is going to do another tribute song for her like candle in the wind, it's called candle under the spoon. Nobody thinks about her poor dealer that blokes earning potential has just gone to crap.

[slimgrin]

blothulfur wrote...

Heard that Elton John is going to do another tribute song for her like candle in the wind, it's called candle under the spoon. Nobody thinks about her poor dealer that blokes earning potential has just gone to crap.

Lol. 

[Druss99]

blothulfur wrote...

Heard that Elton John is going to do another tribute song for her like candle in the wind, it's called candle under the spoon. Nobody thinks about her poor dealer that blokes earning potential has just gone to crap.

LMAO!

The poor guy.

[slimgrin]

Autolycus wrote...

Removed...not worth it.

I understand what you're saying, she made her own choices.