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Modifié par Russalka, 24 juillet 2011 - 04:21 .
Russalka wrote...
And for the rest of the discussion... Don't know if this has been posted, but it was very nice.
slimgrin wrote...
I understand what you're saying, she made her own choices.
Turnip Root wrote...
You know, I'm trying my hardest to give a damn about this woman being dead but despite my best efforts I still can't.
RageGT wrote...
Did she, really? The one thing that addiction takes away from any addict is the ability to choose anything. Until they find recovery, that is. Read the text Russalka linked for us. It is enlightining.
Modifié par slimgrin, 24 juillet 2011 - 04:37 .
Modifié par weirder, 24 juillet 2011 - 07:42 .
weirder wrote...
Would you mock and demean a physically crippled person for their inabilities? The mechanisms of mind can be broken the same as flesh and bone. There is no healing, just learning to live or die with it.
Modifié par Siansonea II, 24 juillet 2011 - 05:39 .
slimgrin wrote...
I personally don't buy into the philosophy that drug users are powerless once addicted. Even with therapy, they are the ones who have the power to change.
Russalka wrote...
What pleasure is in laughing or over-analysing over a dead woman's bad choices?
No one denies her being a junkie, I just do not deny that she had great talent.
EDIT: Reading the topic again, I see the complaint over the death of a single person over-shadowing that of a great massacre.
I am deeply saddened by both of these events. They cannot be compared and I do not do that. Am I not allowed to be sad over different things? Is it a competition?
My personal belief is that a madman killed those 92 people, and he needs to pay the piper. Masses of young people ..gone forever, due to some crazy hopped up ..no-mind.
Ulous wrote...
Autolycus wrote...
I have had manic depression and a nervous breakdown myself, but I didn't turn to drink and drugs, I sorted my damn life out and dealt with my problems.
Who ever said Manic depression and or a nervous breakdown leads to drugs? Drugs are just one of many things that people get addicted to, and people get addicted to things because their brains lack natural opiates, for the best part it really is that simple.
Just because your personal life experiences never took you down this path does not make you holier than thou, it just means in the end you were mentally stronger than some or most in your predicament, you could try helping people in the same situation instead of beating up on them maybe?
Only in the prescence of compassion will people allow themselves to see the truth.
blothulfur wrote...
Heard that Elton John is going to do another tribute song for her like candle in the wind, it's called candle under the spoon. Nobody thinks about her poor dealer that blokes earning potential has just gone to crap.
Volourn wrote...
She had a good voice but she was overrated as a singer.
While it's sad a human life was wasted that is 100% on her, and it's 100% her fault she died.
That might be judgemental but since I don'ty do drugs I cana fford to be. And, it certainly isn't 'hypocritical' to call it as you see it.
I feel bad for her family.
Modifié par Feraele, 24 juillet 2011 - 08:21 .
Gterror wrote...
Well i dont want to say anything bad about her, but she got it coming with all the drugs and alcohol.
Siansonea II wrote...
If Amy Winehouse died of a drug overdose, that's a shame, but it's not a tragedy. It's a shame that she got addicted to drugs in the first place, and never had the strength to overcome her addiction. But lots of people waste their lives in this way, she just happened to have enough talent and charisma to capture the public's imagination for awhile. The real tragedy is that impressionable young people might look at her lifestyle choices as "cool" and think that it's something to emulate. They'll die as young as she did, no doubt.
Seriously, of all the pitfalls and traps that life throws at us, drugs are one of the easiest to avoid. Don't start nothin' and there won't be nothin'. I don't know why it's so hard for people to realize that it's a terrible idea to take drugs.
Cigarettes too. It boggles my mind when I see young people smoking these days. Cigarettes steal your health, your youth, and eventually your life. They WILL kill you, if you smoke them for enough years. My mother has COPD after a lifetime of smoking, and she still chain smokes. She knows she needs to quit smoking if she wants to preserve what lung function she has. But will she? I don't know. I hope so. Her own father died of emphysema. But if she dies of emphysema too, it will be a crying shame, because it was 100% avoidable. I will be very sad if that happens.
) Modifié par Feraele, 24 juillet 2011 - 08:38 .
but the priiiiiizeReconTeam wrote...
Maybe I'm just a bad person but I really don't feel too bad for these stars when they die due to copious amounts of drugs, money, and booze. You choose to life your life like that, you take the risk.
Siansonea II wrote...
If Amy Winehouse died of a drug overdose, that's a shame, but it's not a tragedy. It's a shame that she got addicted to drugs in the first place, and never had the strength to overcome her addiction. But lots of people waste their lives in this way, she just happened to have enough talent and charisma to capture the public's imagination for awhile. The real tragedy is that impressionable young people might look at her lifestyle choices as "cool" and think that it's something to emulate. They'll die as young as she did, no doubt.
Seriously, of all the pitfalls and traps that life throws at us, drugs are one of the easiest to avoid. Don't start nothin' and there won't be nothin'. I don't know why it's so hard for people to realize that it's a terrible idea to take drugs.
Cigarettes too. It boggles my mind when I see young people smoking these days. Cigarettes steal your health, your youth, and eventually your life. They WILL kill you, if you smoke them for enough years. My mother has COPD after a lifetime of smoking, and she still chain smokes. She knows she needs to quit smoking if she wants to preserve what lung function she has. But will she? I don't know. I hope so. Her own father died of emphysema. But if she dies of emphysema too, it will be a crying shame, because it was 100% avoidable. I will be very sad if that happens.
Feraele wrote...
Here's a quote I just took off the internet ..was in the CBS thread under the announcement about Amy's demise.
-Quote ""All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated...As therefore the bell that rings to a sermon, calls not upon the preacher only, but upon the congregation to come: so this bell calls us all: but how much more me, who am brought so near the door by this sickness....No man is an island, entire of itself...any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee." - end quote
--John Donne
This pretty much sums up what I believe in and why I believe it's bad taste, bad karma..whathave you to look down upon, or be derisive or disrespectful ..to someone who has just recently deceased.
Too many folks feel they are SO much better and therefore ENTITLED to heap scorn on someone who isn't there to state the reasons why, and talk about their humanity.
I think this is shameful behaviour...to be quite honest.
gamer_girl wrote...
Siansonea II wrote...
If Amy Winehouse died of a drug overdose, that's a shame, but it's not a tragedy. It's a shame that she got addicted to drugs in the first place, and never had the strength to overcome her addiction. But lots of people waste their lives in this way, she just happened to have enough talent and charisma to capture the public's imagination for awhile. The real tragedy is that impressionable young people might look at her lifestyle choices as "cool" and think that it's something to emulate. They'll die as young as she did, no doubt.
Seriously, of all the pitfalls and traps that life throws at us, drugs are one of the easiest to avoid. Don't start nothin' and there won't be nothin'. I don't know why it's so hard for people to realize that it's a terrible idea to take drugs.
Cigarettes too. It boggles my mind when I see young people smoking these days. Cigarettes steal your health, your youth, and eventually your life. They WILL kill you, if you smoke them for enough years. My mother has COPD after a lifetime of smoking, and she still chain smokes. She knows she needs to quit smoking if she wants to preserve what lung function she has. But will she? I don't know. I hope so. Her own father died of emphysema. But if she dies of emphysema too, it will be a crying shame, because it was 100% avoidable. I will be very sad if that happens.
Exactly this. People who are too dumb to realize the dangers of drugs or are too concerned with fitting in to realize it's a bad idea have it coming to them.
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