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No, I am not. Bi is more rigid. A bi person has a roughly equal attraction to either sex. It is rarely really 50/50, but usually close enough. As well, bisexual implies an attraction that is as much physical as mental. I find most men physically repulsive, but if I like a man's personality I can still feel attracted to them.

As well, there are other sex and gender combinations to consider. Other transsexuals, genderqueer, androgynes and the like who may not always fall into a neat binary male/female category. A bisexual person may not be attracted to any or all of these individuals.

The distinction between bisexual and pansexual is a fine one, but it still exists.


Prepare to be offended. :innocent: Fair warning. I mean no harm, but it may come accross as that.


I still don't see any real difference. You say that the difference between you and and a bisexual person is an emphasis on personality. Sounds fair-ish..

However, almost everybody says they place emphasis on personality. I tell girls I care about personality first, body second. Do I? Sometimes. :innocent:I really deserve to go to hell.. But my vices are not the point. The point is the only seperation between someone who "values" body more vs. personality and vice versa is word of mouth. As you probably are aware, word of mouth =/= choice in action. The disparity between speech and action and a vast middle ground between the extremes makes categorization of either tendency virtually impossible on any scale. 

Relevance? You say you value personality first. Fine. Not a damn thing wrong with that. However, you are trying to categorize people en masse with that as a factor, which is nonsense.  I just don't see how you could put a label on something so inconsistant. It doesn't make sense. Taking that into account, "pansexuality" just seems like a glorified version of bisexuality, with the only real difference being someone saying they are pansexual vs. saying they are bisexual. It seems like an attempt to differentiate yourself from a group over something very, very trivial.

All in all, I just don't see the point. More sociopolitical nonsense I am supposed to know.

I know Sea already responded to you, but she didn't point out something that I feel needs to be.

Bisexuals like males and they like females. (If someone who likes otherwhise is calling themselves a bisexual, it's a misnomer.)

Pansexuals can be attracted to people irregardless of their gender or where they are in transitioning between genders and that is a HUGE distinction, as there are more people in this world than clearcut males and females.

I hope that helped explain the need for both terms.

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I don't like Bi-sexuals and Pansexuals, therefore I don't join.

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mohsen m hangani wrote...
Say what is on your mind.


Your opening something dangerous.


I might  but this the way it should be. Freedom of speech. Everyone is free and should be free to say what is on his/her mind. Weather it is pleasent for others or not. Every single idea should be heard and if logical, considered.

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Pansexuals.....what the hell?

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Gterror wrote...

Pansexuals.....what the hell?


Whats wrong with them?

We are humans and we have feelings. Everyone is born in his/her own way. And no one can and should be blamed for what he/she is. One is straight, one is a gay and so on. We cant blame them and criticize them for who they are. This them. We should respoect them and like them the way they are. Everyone is free to choos and is free to live his/her own life, in the way he/she likes, without hurting others in the process of course. And no one shouled ever try to change them. If one tries to, then that person is no longer him/herself. It is our free will and emotions that makes us what we are and who we are. It is what makes us human.

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Apparently I've been invited to join this group, although I honestly don't quite understand why...

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Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Apparently I've been invited to join this group, although I honestly don't quite understand why...

Maybe to support that community? It doesn't mean you have to belong to it. ;)

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I don't think its a problem with the people really as it is a problem with the term.

Let me try to explain the other side of the coin -- or at least where I'm coming from with this. As I precise the world there are two sexes either male or female and sexuality is tied to the sexes. This point of view is not compatible with Pansexuality or Polysexuality, in fact in this world view both sexualities would fall in under Bisexual (I profusely apologize to anyone all who labels themselves as either for any offence taken). In fact using this word view there are only 4 sexualities; Heterosexuality; Homosexuality; Bisexuality; and Asexuality.

Sure using the same world view I suppose you could argue that Pan- and Polly-sexuality are sub categories of Bisexuality though if you look at it that way then even Hetro and ****** sexuallity would have similar sub categories.

Now personally I don't care what the hell people lable themselves, if someone wants to call themselves some combination of word+sexual or another then as long as they feel comfortable with it good on them. After all, everyone searches for some form of Love or another right?

(Again apologies to anyone who got offended)

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Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Apparently I've been invited to join this group, although I honestly don't quite understand why...


There are three possibiltyies..

1) You are maybe a LGBPT, so maybe support it.

2) You are straight but support the idea of it and its freedom.

3) You are straight and do not support the idea and the group.

In al three cases. You and your opinion is respected. You are inviteed to the groups by someone to support it. But no one is forced to do so. You are free as is every othe person on this site.

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As much as I'm in favour for this, it's like this group supports everything but heterosexuality.

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Rokky94 wrote...

As much as I'm in favour for this, it's like this group supports everything but heterosexuality.

That's the whole idea. For hetero sexuality there is no need to become accepted, nor is there a danger that it won't be in the foreseeable future, and thus there is no need to support that.

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Just because support for something isn't essential doesn't mean you should push it aside.

Modifié par Rokky94, 24 juillet 2011 - 10:38 .


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AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Rokky94 wrote...

As much as I'm in favour for this, it's like this group supports everything but heterosexuality.

That's the whole idea. For hetero sexuality there is no need to become accepted, nor is there a danger that it won't be in the foreseeable future, and thus there is no need to support that.


Agreed, in my years of being on this earth, my sexuality has never encountered non-acceptance by anyone. I cannot say that any of my non-hetero friends have ever felt accepted by everyone.

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< Proud pansexual reporting in!

I love a girl and I'm a girl too. Bite me.

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I need some help, what's the difference between a bi-sexual and a pan-sexual?

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Rokky94 wrote...

Just because support for something isn't essential doesn't mean you should push it aside.

Look at the comments in group. A lot of heteros have joined. They obviously have input there. Your worries are a non-issue. ;)

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 24 juillet 2011 - 10:48 .


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Rokky94 wrote...

I need some help, what's the difference between a bi-sexual and a pan-sexual?


I find the difference to be this:

A bisexual is attracted physically to both men and women.

A pansexual, however, can be both attracted physically or emotionally, and the gender is non-valued. If that makes sense?

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Rokky94 wrote...

Just because support for something isn't essential doesn't mean you should push it aside.


That isn't what he means Rokky. He isn't pushing one sexual orientation aside, isimply because that orientation never experiences being rejected or experiences non-acceptance. I can put it this way; I don't reject any orientation, but I reject anyone that rejects any orientation.

Ask yourself this; have you ever encountered where someone didn't like you or expressed disapproval because of your orientation?

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SilentNukee wrote...

Rokky94 wrote...

I need some help, what's the difference between a bi-sexual and a pan-sexual?


I find the difference to be this:

A bisexual is attracted physically to both men and women.

A pansexual, however, can be both attracted physically or emotionally, and the gender is non-valued. If that makes sense?


+100, and that makes very good sense to me.
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Sad Dragon wrote...

I don't think its a problem with the people really as it is a problem with the term.

Let me try to explain the other side of the coin -- or at least where I'm coming from with this. As I precise the world there are two sexes either male or female and sexuality is tied to the sexes. This point of view is not compatible with Pansexuality or Polysexuality, in fact in this world view both sexualities would fall in under Bisexual (I profusely apologize to anyone all who labels themselves as either for any offence taken). In fact using this word view there are only 4 sexualities; Heterosexuality; Homosexuality; Bisexuality; and Asexuality.


It's not quite that simple. You fail to mention hermafrodites, for one - people born with both female and male genitalia. There are also people with ambiguous genitalia. And there are transsexuals who have undergone a sex change.

A bi-sexual may not be attracted one or any of the people in these less common situations, but a pansexual wouldn't have any qualms with being attracted to any one of them, if they are attracted to their personality.

Thus it seems to me that there is something this term describes that is not covered by "bisexual".

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Tommy6860 wrote...

Rokky94 wrote...

Just because support for something isn't essential doesn't mean you should push it aside.


That isn't what he means Rokky. He isn't pushing one sexual orientation aside, isimply because that orientation never experiences being rejected or experiences non-acceptance. I can put it this way; I don't reject any orientation, but I reject anyone that rejects any orientation.

Ask yourself this; have you ever encountered where someone didn't like you or expressed disapproval because of your orientation?


I get it, I'm probably just misunderstanding and being naive.

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Rokky94 wrote...

Tommy6860 wrote...

Rokky94 wrote...

Just because support for something isn't essential doesn't mean you should push it aside.


That isn't what he means Rokky. He isn't pushing one sexual orientation aside, isimply because that orientation never experiences being rejected or experiences non-acceptance. I can put it this way; I don't reject any orientation, but I reject anyone that rejects any orientation.

Ask yourself this; have you ever encountered where someone didn't like you or expressed disapproval because of your orientation?


I get it, I'm probably just misunderstanding and being naive.


Not at all my friend, it is why people who may not experience this ask what others mean. You did that, when you could have jsut walk away from the convo. We all misunderstand on many thing, it is the fact that we endeavor to understand that makes us good people. Ok, sappy time over now .

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Swordfishtrombone wrote...


Thus it seems to me that there is something this term describes that is not covered by "bisexual".


What could that thing possibily be?

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SilentNukee wrote...

< Proud pansexual reporting in!

I love a girl and I'm a girl too. Bite me.


Cheers for this young brave and proud lady. "high five"

I agree with you. SOmeon whouldnt be ashamed of what he/she is. We dont choose how to be born. We are born this way. And we should be proud f what we are and who we are. :)

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mohsen m hangani wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...

< Proud pansexual reporting in!

I love a girl and I'm a girl too. Bite me.


Cheers for this young brave and proud lady. "high five"

I agree with you. SOmeon whouldnt be ashamed of what he/she is. We dont choose how to be born. We are born this way. And we should be proud f what we are and who we are. :)


Thanks! and QFT. :3