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[Fixers0]

So In the demo and trailers we can see Alliance shuttles evacuate civilians and marines combating  the Reapers.

But why?

There is ample background material in both games and other works that there is a clear seperation between, earth (Who is still a planet controlled by many nations) and the Alliance (an indepedant goverment that protects human interests outside of the sol system).

Basicly the Alliance has nothing to do with Earth security and goverment and each state on earth organises it's own defense against attacks, Maybe there is an unified 'Earth defense force'' with Spaceships and Orbital stations but it's certainly not the Alliance.

But the 'invasion' trailer clearly shows the Alliance sysmbols on news reports from different nations, even though they should be independant entities.

What?

[nhsk]

Without the backing of the nations that are actually in the alliance the alliance is nothing.

[Cainne Chapel]

I would like to think most humans still see earth as "home" whether they're part of the alliance or not, and if a planet is being invaded why WOULDN'T the alliance help?

That and I'm sure they have a headquarters on earth too, hence, the reason Shepards on earth for "trial" anyway. and not at the citadel

Modifié par Cainne Chapel, 23 juillet 2011 - 09:49 .

[Zulu_DFA]

It's called "retcon". Shepard's trial on Earth makes even less sense.

I wonder if the Arcturus station and the Alliance colonies even get mentioned in ME3...

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 23 juillet 2011 - 09:52 .

[Fixers0]

nhsk wrote...

Without the backing of the nations that are actually in the alliance the alliance is nothing.

Which is autmaticly false since the Alliance is an  independant nation. who are mainly backed by human companies and various colonies.

Modifié par Fixers0, 23 juillet 2011 - 09:52 .

[Cainne Chapel]

eh...Dont think that really Constitutes as a "Retcon" Zulu...oversight maybe? *shrug* But still why wouldnt the systems alliance....help the home system?

[KingNothing125]

Fixers0 wrote...

Maybe there is an unified 'Earth defense force'' with Spaceships and Orbital stations but it's certainly not the Alliance.

Actually it is the Alliance.

[Fixers0]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

eh...Dont think that really Constitutes as a "Retcon" Zulu...oversight maybe? *shrug* But still why wouldnt the systems alliance....help the home system?

Because the Alliance  has absolutly no interest in defending earth.

[sephiroth199127]

Well I imagined earth was a slum like planet from Shepherds Earth born life, however apart from the giant squid robots it seems like a nice place to live in the trailers, I imagine the alliance is like a united army for planet earth which responds to the leaders of earth, however they still control there respected countries.

[Wulfram]

All the nation states are "affiliated beneath the overarching banner of the Systems Alliance", or so says the codex.

[Dave of Canada]

They put the Alliance on Earth even if it doesn't make much sense so we'd be capable of relating to Earth's destruction.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 23 juillet 2011 - 09:57 .

[Someone With Mass]

Gee, I wonder if has something to do with the billions of humans, both rich and poor, including the potential leaders of companies and nations, the very same nations that created the Alliance being located on Earth...

[Zulu_DFA]

Fixers0 wrote...

he Alliance is an  independant nation. 

Not a "nation". It's a "political-economic block".

[marshalleck]

Fixers0 wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

eh...Dont think that really Constitutes as a "Retcon" Zulu...oversight maybe? *shrug* But still why wouldnt the systems alliance....help the home system?

Because the Alliance  has absolutly no interest in defending earth.

I have no idea where you get the idea that humans in the Systems Alliance have no interest in Earth, the home system. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 23 juillet 2011 - 09:58 .

[Mr. MannlyMan]

The Alliance represents the governments of Earth as a single, unified body. So obviously, if the Alliance fails to keep invaders from entering Earth's proximity, they can't just leave the rest up to Earth's ground forces. They continue to play an active role in assisting ground operations; this is no different than them protecting their colonies from pirates (think of Elysium).

As to the Alliance news reports... those are all ANN broadcasts.

[Cainne Chapel]

Fixers0 wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

eh...Dont think that really Constitutes as a "Retcon" Zulu...oversight maybe? *shrug* But still why wouldnt the systems alliance....help the home system?

Because the Alliance  has absolutly no interest in defending earth.

Hmm so the Alliance should protect a colony like Eden Prime, but with the Homeworld of the "SPECIES" is attacked it should just twiddle its thumbs?

Good logic.

[Zulu_DFA]

Dave of Canada wrote...

They put the Alliance on Earth even if it doesn't make much sense so the ME3 noobs  'd be capable of relating to Earth's destruction.

Fixed.

[NYG1991]

I've never read anything saying the alliance or earth being completely independent from each other. I assume a good portion of alliance military recruits come from earth and most colonists recruited for developing new colonies would come from there as well.

[Kaiser_Wilhelm]

Fixers0 wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

eh...Dont think that really Constitutes as a "Retcon" Zulu...oversight maybe? *shrug* But still why wouldnt the systems alliance....help the home system?

Because the Alliance  has absolutly no interest in defending earth.

A human organization, funded, founded, and led by Earth's nations, would have no interest in providing military aid to its leaders and source of funding?

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

It's called "retcon". Shepard's trial on Earth makes even less sense.

I wonder if the Arcturus station and the Alliance colonies even get mentioned in ME3...

Shepard's Earth trial may or may not be a "lore" slip-up, but the Alliance sending ground troops to Earth isn't necessarily a retcon.

[Fixers0]

Wulfram wrote...

All the nation states are "affiliated beneath the overarching banner of the Systems Alliance", or so says the codex.

That's actually a rather strange part of the codex, that entry Displayes like the Alliance is some kind of UN. yet other entries i seem to hammer upon that Alliance is an independant Nation, and it's very unlikley that ll the goverments will resort to an indepedant entity for protection from attacks outer space,

[Someone With Mass]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

They put the Alliance on Earth even if it doesn't make much sense so the ME3 noobs  'd be capable of relating to Earth's destruction.

Fixed.

Both of you.

Shut up.

Don't like it, don't participate.

[marshalleck]

Fixers0 wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

All the nation states are "affiliated beneath the overarching banner of the Systems Alliance", or so says the codex.

That's actually a rather strange part of the codex, that entry Displayes like the Alliance is some kind of UN. yet other entries i seem to hammer upon that Alliance is an independant Nation, and it's very unlikley that ll the goverments will resort to an indepedant entity for protection from attacks outer space,

"The Systems Alliance is the representative body of Earth and all human colonies in Citadel space. Backed by Earth's most powerful nations, the Alliance has become humanity's military, exploratory, and economic spearhead."

Which part of that is unclear to you? The Systems Alliance is humanity. They're not just going to sit back and watch Earth burn.

Modifié par marshalleck, 23 juillet 2011 - 10:04 .

[Alfa Kilo]

Fixers0 wrote...

nhsk wrote...

Without the backing of the nations that are actually in the alliance the alliance is nothing.

Which is autmaticly false since the Alliance is an  independant nation. who are mainly backed by human companies and various colonies.

OK, if I consider it a fact that The Alliance is a bunch of bastards who would let the homeworld of their race to be wiped out, they would still defend it because of what you said in the post i quote - they are backed by human companies.
I imagine they would lose most of this backing not only by having most of these companies that fund them wiped out, but also I most certainly would stop funding an organisation that is supposed to defend human interests in the galaxy yet it lets Earth get destroyed and I imagine a lot of other companies/colonies would feel the same.

That is all assuming that the Reapers do not succeed in the end.

[Someone With Mass]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

It's called "retcon". Shepard's trial on Earth makes even less sense.

I wonder if the Arcturus station and the Alliance colonies even get mentioned in ME3...

Stop raping the definition of retroactive continuity, please.