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Guest_Saphra Deden_*
Candidate 88766 wrote...
Firstly, try and keep it civil.
Candiate 88766 wrote...
Secondly, the only chance of saving people is while the Reapers are still arriving and being resisted by the fleets.
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
Candidate 88766 wrote...
The Alliance doesn't know that. As far as they're concerned an overwhelming hostile force has arrived on Earth and is killing everyone.
You missed the point of my second, er, point: if the Reapers are given more time on Earth then they have time to fortify their position as it were. That will put the Alliance at a massive disadvantage if they mount a counter-attack; their only chance of saving people is while they still have at least some kind of foothold on Earth, which is during the very early stages.Saphra Deden wrote...
Candidate 88766 wrote...
Firstly, try and keep it civil.
Use your brain and it will be civil.Candiate 88766 wrote...
Secondly, the only chance of saving people is while the Reapers are still arriving and being resisted by the fleets.
No, we will save them when we return and kick the Reapers off the planet.
In the beginning of Arrival Hackett tells you it's a black op, and that the Alliance wants to avoid any responsibility.Arijharn wrote...
Of course it does (humanity's trial I mean).Zulu_DFA wrote...
Makes no sense.Arijharn wrote...
Humanity's trial.
Nothing about Arrival does though...
Shephard is the political scapegoat here, but it's trailed on Earth because Batarian's apparently have the capability to effectively wage war on humanity (judging by the fact that they are highly industrialised and that they otherwise have no Council related 'responsibilities', i.e., no treaty of farixen to worry about). It's probably going to be less about Shephard than how the other races perceive how humanity goes about handling it's business.
To me it seems that if there is a batarian delegation, it will demand blood (meaning Shephard's), if the trial otherwise would declare Shephard as otherwise cleared of all charges, then the Batarians will see it as proof that humanity is 'corrupt' and wage war. If the court otherwise declares Shephard guilty, then the Batarians will still win because Shephard is the first human Spectre, thus he's a symbol etc, etc. If a Spectre is found at fault, then a whole new slew of headaches for the Council would threaten to open up (because Saren was still handled 'in house').
It's a question whether Humanity has the necessary intellectual maturity to take centre stage of interstellar politics in other words.
Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 24 juillet 2011 - 01:04 .
None of them know what the Reapers want with humanity. Even we, the gamers, don't actually know. We guess they want to harvest them, but since the loss of the Collector Base the Reapers may have decided a Human Reaper isn't worth the effort and are instead just going to wipe out humanity.Saphra Deden wrote...
Candidate 88766 wrote...
The Alliance doesn't know that. As far as they're concerned an overwhelming hostile force has arrived on Earth and is killing everyone.
They've got Shepard, Hackett, and Cerberus telling them what the Reapers want.
If they're eradicating us on sight there's nothing we can do anyway.
Nothing changes. My strategy is still the best one.
Keep your forces intact, retreat, and formulate a plan to take back your planet. Time is of the essence so we can't afford to wait around.
Exactly. Being tried on Arcturus, an Alliance ship, would imply that the Alliance is involved and is taking responsibilty. If they hold it on Earth in a non-Alliance court it gives the impression that Shepard's actions had nothing whatsoever to do with the Alliance.Zulu_DFA wrote...
In the beginning of Arrival Hackett tells you it's a black op, and that the Alliance wants to avoid any responsibility.
Candidate 88766 wrote...
Exactly. Being tried on Arcturus, an Alliance ship, would imply that the Alliance is involved and is taking responsibilty. If they hold it on Earth in a non-Alliance court it gives the impression that Shepard's actions had nothing whatsoever to do with the Alliance.Zulu_DFA wrote...
In the beginning of Arrival Hackett tells you it's a black op, and that the Alliance wants to avoid any responsibility.
Modifié par Fixers0, 24 juillet 2011 - 12:59 .
Saphra Deden wrote...
Candidate 88766 wrote...
The Alliance doesn't know that. As far as they're concerned an overwhelming hostile force has arrived on Earth and is killing everyone.
They've got Shepard, Hackett, and Cerberus telling them what the Reapers want.
If they're eradicating us on sight there's nothing we can do anyway.
Nothing changes. My strategy is still the best one.
Keep your forces intact, retreat, and formulate a plan to take back your planet. Time is of the essence so we can't afford to wait around.
Yeah there probably will be won't there <_<. Meh, doesn't bother me too much either way.Fixers0 wrote...
Candidate 88766 wrote...
Exactly. Being tried on Arcturus, an Alliance ship, would imply that the Alliance is involved and is taking responsibilty. If they hold it on Earth in a non-Alliance court it gives the impression that Shepard's actions had nothing whatsoever to do with the Alliance.Zulu_DFA wrote...
In the beginning of Arrival Hackett tells you it's a black op, and that the Alliance wants to avoid any responsibility.
Tell that again when there is a big Alliance symbol in the court room.
Where do they get those money from?Saphra Deden wrote...
That said, the most populous and developed planet in Alliance space is not "a money sink". It is the complete opposite. They give you money by buying up all that crap you dig out of the ground out in the colonies.
The Alliance exists because it wants to.Saphra Deden wrote...
It absurd to think that the Earth is a parasite not worth defending when it is the entire reason the Alliance exists in the first place and the single human world with the biggest economy.
This.ReconTeam wrote...
Seems like a complete waste of effort to evacuate the planet. In fact, I would suggest that everybody with a private ship on earth start flying around to give the reapers too many targets to shoot at, possibly allowing some warships to get lucky.
No, they don't.Phaedon wrote...
Kodiak shuttles have FTL capability
Candidate 88766 wrote...
You also missed my third point - how does the Alliance know there'll be anyone left to save by the time they mount a rescue?
Yes it does. You literally see the shuttle jump to FTL speeds in the game. It happens on the screen in front of you whilst playing the game.Zulu_DFA wrote...
No, they don't.Phaedon wrote...
Kodiak shuttles have FTL capability
BioWare has been too lazy and greedy to do it properly.
There may well be, but the Alliance can't assume that. The Reapers are so powerful that they bypass Earth's defences in minutes. for all the Alliance knows, there will be no life left on Earth by the end of the first week.LOLandStuff wrote...
Candidate 88766 wrote...
You also missed my third point - how does the Alliance know there'll be anyone left to save by the time they mount a rescue?
There'll be a resistance hidding underground, waiting for the perfect moment to strike back at the enemy.
Candidate 88766 wrote...
There may well be, but the Alliance can't assume that. The Reapers are so powerful that they bypass Earth's defences in minutes. for all the Alliance knows, there will be no life left on Earth by the end of the first week.LOLandStuff wrote...
Candidate 88766 wrote...
You also missed my third point - how does the Alliance know there'll be anyone left to save by the time they mount a rescue?
There'll be a resistance hidding underground, waiting for the perfect moment to strike back at the enemy.
Candidate 88766 wrote...
Yes it does. You literally see the shuttle jump to FTL speeds in the game. It happens on the screen in front of you whilst playing the game.Zulu_DFA wrote...
No, they don't.Phaedon wrote...
Kodiak shuttles have FTL capability
BioWare has been too lazy and greedy to do it properly.
Obvious answer: the toy model was misnamed. The Kodiak Shuttle in ME2 is the one that is used in the game to ferry Shepard around, and we see that do FTL speeds.Zulu_DFA wrote...
Candidate 88766 wrote...
Yes it does. You literally see the shuttle jump to FTL speeds in the game. It happens on the screen in front of you whilst playing the game.Zulu_DFA wrote...
No, they don't.Phaedon wrote...
Kodiak shuttles have FTL capability
BioWare has been too lazy and greedy to do it properly.
No it doesn't.
BioWare cut this corner, it's obvious to anyone but a fanboy.
It's like the boobs in space, really.
Yes, and the Alliance can evacuate maybe 0.1% of Earth's population. At the expense of all of it's logistical capabilities.Candidate 88766 wrote...
There may well be, but the Alliance can't assume that. The Reapers are so powerful that they bypass Earth's defences in minutes. for all the Alliance knows, there will be no life left on Earth by the end of the first week.LOLandStuff wrote...
There'll be a resistance hidding underground, waiting for the perfect moment to strike back at the enemy.Candidate 88766 wrote...
You also missed my third point - how does the Alliance know there'll be anyone left to save by the time they mount a rescue?
If the Alliance is fleeing Earth anyway then why shouldn't they at least try to take some people with them?Zulu_DFA wrote...
Yes, and the Alliance can evacuate maybe 0.1% of Earth's population. At the expense of all of it's logistical capabilities.Candidate 88766 wrote...
There may well be, but the Alliance can't assume that. The Reapers are so powerful that they bypass Earth's defences in minutes. for all the Alliance knows, there will be no life left on Earth by the end of the first week.LOLandStuff wrote...
There'll be a resistance hidding underground, waiting for the perfect moment to strike back at the enemy.Candidate 88766 wrote...
You also missed my third point - how does the Alliance know there'll be anyone left to save by the time they mount a rescue?
Saphra Deden wrote...
They've got Shepard, Hackett, and Cerberus telling them what the Reapers want.
If they're eradicating us on sight there's nothing we can do anyway.
Nothing changes. My strategy is still the best one.
Keep your forces intact, retreat, and formulate a plan to take back your planet. Time is of the essence so we can't afford to wait around.
Zulu_DFA wrote...
No it doesn't.
BioWare cut this corner, it's obvious to anyone but a fanboy.
It's like the boobs in space, really.
Modifié par Someone With Mass, 24 juillet 2011 - 01:21 .
The obvious answer is in the Codex for the Kodiak: it's a "drop shutle". It's a Higgins' boat of the future.Candidate 88766 wrote...
Obvious answer: the toy model was misnamed. The Kodiak Shuttle in ME2 is the one that is used in the game to ferry Shepard around,Zulu_DFA wrote...
Candidate 88766 wrote...
Yes it does. You literally see the shuttle jump to FTL speeds in the game. It happens on the screen in front of you whilst playing the game.Zulu_DFA wrote...
No, they don't.Phaedon wrote...
Kodiak shuttles have FTL capability
BioWare has been too lazy and greedy to do it properly.
No it doesn't.
BioWare cut this corner, it's obvious to anyone but a fanboy.
It's like the boobs in space, really.
We see BioWare blatantly cutting this corner and putting the Kodiak where the real shuttle should have been. Because BioWare didn't wan't to spend time and resources on a fully scaled and rendered model which would be used in just a couple of short cuscenes. Who can blame BioWare though, if the fanboys are ready to eat anything they are given?Candidate 88766 wrote...
and we see that do FTL speeds.
Please cite one single in-game source confirming that the Kodiak has the FTL capability.Candidate 88766 wrote...
Its not cutting a corner, they just had several designs for the Kodiak Shuttle and decided on the one we see in the game.
Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 24 juillet 2011 - 01:24 .
You are so bright... I can't see you.Someone With Mass wrote...
Zulu_DFA wrote...
No it doesn't.
BioWare cut this corner, it's obvious to anyone but a fanboy.
It's like the boobs in space, really.
You are so dense...
The Mako has Element Zero core. The skycabs have them. Guess what they do, genius.Someone With Mass wrote...
It has a element zero core. Guess what it does, idiot.
Um, you see, I'm kinda proud to be butthurt, when BioWare takes a good game and dumbs it down to be accessible to people like you.Someone With Mass wrote...
But you're going on about how much a butthurt trolltard you are because BioWare is not making the game according to your utterly retarded assumptions.
Do Tali a favor, limit your posting to the Tali thread. It's up to you to keep Tali alive! Hey, maybe BioWare still makes her permanent squaddie if you reach the 1,000,000 posts mark by the end of the summer!Someone With Mass wrote...
Do the whole world a favor and delete your account and rid this forum of your stupidity.
Did you know? The military are government employees.Candidate 88766 wrote...
What is the point of having a military if not to defend the people?
They do not have to get the money. They simply have it.Zulu_DFA wrote...
Where do they get those money from?Saphra Deden wrote...
That said, the most populous and developed planet in Alliance space is not "a money sink". It is the complete opposite. They give you money by buying up all that crap you dig out of the ground out in the colonies.
You tell me. You obviously made some sort of point here, but I am not Oracle to guess which one.Who gives money to the geth?
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