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[Someone With Mass]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Hmmm, may be it is a retcon. BioWare retconned the Real Shuttle even before it had a chance to come to being, lol!
And the FTL physics along with it.

But I prefer to call it what it is: cutting corners by not developing a believable space shuttle for the sake of just two cutscenes. Cutscenes suck anyway, it was almost officially admitted by BioWare (Re: the Alliance dearnoughts inside the Citadel arms). The absence of a mass relay around the Collector Base comes to mind again, as well as the overall "boobs in space" style of ME2.

So yeah, more crappy cutscenes await us in ME3, that's all this thread really comes down to.

If you really hate it so much, then you can just leave.

Trust me. Nothing of importance will be lost.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Where does it say that the Kodiak doesn't have a FTL drive? Oh, that's right. Nowhere.

And element zero cores can be used in more ways than one.

It doesn't matter!
Mighty Zulu will save us all with his friends Cerberus!!!!!!!!

[Candidate 88766]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

What is so hard to understand here?

Nothing.

What is so hard to agree here with?

That Zulu is right.

I have no trouble agreeing with you when appropriate. I've always agreed with your idea of Cerberus still being part of the Alliance. I disagree with your support the Alliance not helping evacuate people, and whilst I admit that the codex doesn't say the shuttle can do FTL travel, it does in the game and thats enough for me. No, I can't back it up and I admit that based on the codex alone you are right and the shuttle shouldn't be able to do FTL. A simple explanation is that at some point the models for the shuttles were changed. Just pretend that the shop selling the models misnamed the shuttle model. Its a very minor thing to me. I appreciate the need for solid lore, but I can overlook little niggles like this with a little imagination. For some people thats not good enough. I get the feeling you fall into that crowd and you're more than welcome to want 100% consistent lore. I don't think its possible for any media (film, book, game etc) to remain entirely consistent, especially if it has sequels and expansions, but as a consumer you have every right to demand it and I hope one day you do find a game that os both fun and internally 100% consistent. ME and ME2 are good enough for me - what niggles there are I can overlook because I enjoy the overall game. 

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 24 juillet 2011 - 04:35 .

[Someone With Mass]

Nevermind that there might be some modified Kodiaks in use that have FTL drives.

Because that would require a cute little thing called suspension of disbelief.

[Candidate 88766]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Nevermind that there might be some modified Kodiaks in use that have FTL drives.

Because that would require a cute little thing called suspension of disbelief.

Don't be silly. You cannot fill in the blanks with your imagination. Bioware must spoon-feed every drop of information you require so your mind doesn't have to do any of the work.

You could also have 'shopkeeper misnamed the shuttle model'. I'd say thats the one I go for but TBH I never really noticed or cared about this. It doesn't really figure into the grand scheme of things in the Mass Effect games.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 24 juillet 2011 - 04:35 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Where does it say that the Kodiak doesn't have a FTL drive? Oh, that's right. Nowhere.

And element zero cores can be used in more ways than one.

Lol...

You see how it works:

Where does it say that Tali has no penis? Oh, that's right. Nowhere!
 

And penises can be used in more ways than one.

[Candidate 88766]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Where does it say that the Kodiak doesn't have a FTL drive? Oh, that's right. Nowhere.

And element zero cores can be used in more ways than one.

Lol...

You see how it works:

Where does it say that Tali has no penis? Oh, that's right. Nowhere!
 

And penises can be used in more ways than one.

Where does it say that the Alliance can't put people on trial in a court on Earth...

Also, I get the sense you don't like Tali very much?

Edit: I sounded a bit ruder here than I intended. Sorry about that.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 24 juillet 2011 - 04:58 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

What is so hard to understand here?

Nothing.

What is so hard to agree here with?

That Zulu is right.

I have no trouble agreeing with you when appropriate. I've always agreed with your idea of Cerberus still being part of the Alliance. I disagree with your support the Alliance not helping evacuate people, and whilst I admit that the codex doesn't say the shuttle can do FTL travel, it does in the game and thats enough for me. No, I can't back it up and I admit that based on the codex alone you are right and the shuttle shouldn't be able to do FTL. A simple explanation is that at some point the models for the shuttles were changed. Just pretend that the shop selling the models misnamed the shuttle model. Its a very minor thing to me. I appreciate the need for solid lore, but I can overlook little niggles like this with a little imagination. For some people thats not good enough. I get the feeling you fall into that crowd and you're more than welcome to want 100% consistent lore. I don't think its possible for any media (film, book, game etc) to remain entirely consistent, especially if it has sequels and expansions, but as a consumer you have every right to demand it and I hope one day you do find a game that os both fun and internally 100% consistent. ME and ME2 are good enough for me - what niggles there are I can overlook because I enjoy the overall game. 

That's fair enough. I can understand that, but I think that the more acceptive the fans are of all this corner-cutting, the more of it will plague the future releases. So, pardon my ire.

[Candidate 88766]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

What is so hard to understand here?

Nothing.

What is so hard to agree here with?

That Zulu is right.

I have no trouble agreeing with you when appropriate. I've always agreed with your idea of Cerberus still being part of the Alliance. I disagree with your support the Alliance not helping evacuate people, and whilst I admit that the codex doesn't say the shuttle can do FTL travel, it does in the game and thats enough for me. No, I can't back it up and I admit that based on the codex alone you are right and the shuttle shouldn't be able to do FTL. A simple explanation is that at some point the models for the shuttles were changed. Just pretend that the shop selling the models misnamed the shuttle model. Its a very minor thing to me. I appreciate the need for solid lore, but I can overlook little niggles like this with a little imagination. For some people thats not good enough. I get the feeling you fall into that crowd and you're more than welcome to want 100% consistent lore. I don't think its possible for any media (film, book, game etc) to remain entirely consistent, especially if it has sequels and expansions, but as a consumer you have every right to demand it and I hope one day you do find a game that os both fun and internally 100% consistent. ME and ME2 are good enough for me - what niggles there are I can overlook because I enjoy the overall game. 

That's fair enough. I can understand that, but I think that the more acceptive the fans are of all this corner-cutting, the more of it will plague the future releases. So, pardon my ire.

We already got 2 discs worth of content for ME2 so I can forgive a little cutting here and there. The main thing I mourn is the loss of all the stuff about Legion - he was meant to be following throughout the game but got cut back, which is a shame. Also, given the number of threads about minor lore inconsistencies that pop up on this forum I don't think ME fans are very acceptive to cuts, so I wouldn't worry about that happening in ME3. 

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 24 juillet 2011 - 04:59 .

[Someone With Mass]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Lol...

You see how it works:

Where does it say that Tali has no penis? Oh, that's right. Nowhere!
 

And penises can be used in more ways than one.

You would know that, wouldn't you...

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Arijharn wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

This thread...hurts my brain...mod please...shut it down...

Why are you spamming? I don't spam in your threads, and even if this thread wasn't created by
me, I'm enjoying the discussion it contains. If you don't like something
don't listen to it or watch it, but whatever you do don't try and stop
the people who do enjoy it from enjoying it.

Truth is, because I wanted to leave this message, which is related to the thread. I didn't care if it was spamming or not at the time. U mad bro?

Considering your posts are pretty mature usually, I think you should be a bit embarrassed by it to be fair. As zany as Zulu is sometimes, he has a right to put forth his (wrong, in this case ) opinion.

I know man, I was just kidding around, trolling if you may put. 
Just wanted to make some laughs out of the stupidity around here and that person who replied my post. This thread was getting on my nerves, sometimes it's not even funny . Anyway, won't do anymore. I'm outta here.

[Lopake]

You know humans come from earth right?

[Yakko77]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

eh...Dont think that really Constitutes as a "Retcon" Zulu...oversight maybe? *shrug* But still why wouldnt the systems alliance....help the home system?

Because the Alliance  has absolutly no interest in defending earth.

Hmm so the Alliance should protect a colony like Eden Prime, but with the Homeworld of the "SPECIES" is attacked it should just twiddle its thumbs?

Good logic.

Yeah, I don't understand the issue some have with the Alliance in this situation.  I mean, why WOULDN'T the Alliance defend Earth?  What's the point of the Alliance if they don't act to defend the home and biggest concentration of humanity.  The Alliance is more or less like NATO.  An attack on one is an attack on them all.  Also, NATO is more than just a military alliance.  It is political and economic as well.

[LOLandStuff]

Lopake wrote...

You know humans come from earth right?

Neah, those aren't important anymore. Now we have colonies. All we need to do is try keeping them a secret from the Reapers and repopulate. So easy. And everyone will keep their shuttles and be happy.

[GunMoth]

:/ Even if it is an attempt at retcon, I doubt any organization that represents a specific race would let their home world get destroyed. If you don't want it to be a simple gesture of concern or pride for their home planet, then view it as a terrorist threat. Imagine if Africa started to get obliterated by a giant space craft. I'm pretty sure everyone on planet earth would unite despite differences in order to save their planet. The reaper attack is huge and everyone in the galaxy is at risk.Casey described ME3 as the equivalent of a galaxy-wide WW2. Everyone is caught up in their own issues (America refused to help because we wanted to become isolationists. Many people wanted to stay neutral as to not burn bridges with any countries. However mass genocide cannot be ignored, especially when it becomes a potential threat to everyone around you.)

Not only that, but the council is required to help send military allies/support whenever they are needed. (We learned that in ME1. Its why the volus cannot become members of the council.)

As to why Shepard's trial is on Earth, I'm assuming that falls under retcon. They need to make Shepard "in the right place at the right time".

[MajorStranger]

Yakko77 wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

eh...Dont think that really Constitutes as a "Retcon" Zulu...oversight maybe? *shrug* But still why wouldnt the systems alliance....help the home system?

Because the Alliance  has absolutly no interest in defending earth.

Hmm so the Alliance should protect a colony like Eden Prime, but with the Homeworld of the "SPECIES" is attacked it should just twiddle its thumbs?

Good logic.

Yeah, I don't understand the issue some have with the Alliance in this situation.  I mean, why WOULDN'T the Alliance defend Earth?  What's the point of the Alliance if they don't act to defend the home and biggest concentration of humanity.  The Alliance is more or less like NATO.  An attack on one is an attack on them all.  Also, NATO is more than just a military alliance.  It is political and economic as well.

That is incorrect. While NATO's sole goal is the defense of Europe and North-America. The same countries involved in NATO use different organisation for political and economical problem. (NAFTA for North America, European Union for Europe. They also have the G8 and G20. NATO is only about military alliance.

[sponge56]

This is the most pointless thread in the history of the BSN. I think mangirrafedog made more sense. The vast majority of the human race lives on earth, as stated in the codex earth nations and colonies get parliamental seats on the Alliance parliament- indicating that both earth and the alliance are very closely linked. It is overwhelmingly obvious that the alliance represents humanity so why the hell wouldn't they assist in the evac if they could? If the the state of Arizona gets attacked would the US government do nothing because the state government has some control over its own laws, just like the earth nations have some separation from the alliance? The fact that this thread has got to 16 pages is ridiculous

[GunMoth]

sponge56 wrote...

This is the most pointless thread in the history of the BSN. I think mangirrafedog made more sense. The vast majority of the human race lives on earth, as stated in the codex earth nations and colonies get parliamental seats on the Alliance parliament- indicating that both earth and the alliance are very closely linked. It is overwhelmingly obvious that the alliance represents humanity so why the hell wouldn't they assist in the evac if they could? If the the state of Arizona gets attacked would the US government do nothing because the state government has some control over its own laws, just like the earth nations have some separation from the alliance? The fact that this thread has got to 16 pages is ridiculous

This. I also pointed out in my post above that even the council is required to send out fleets or provide support during attacks like this. 

I'd be interested in hearing your take on Shepard's trial being on Earth though. I'm still trying to figure it out myself, but I am so behind on codex reading that I'm not entirely sure how it should be handled. 

[Annihilator27]

sponge56 wrote...

This is the most pointless thread in the history of the BSN. I think mangirrafedog made more sense. The vast majority of the human race lives on earth, as stated in the codex earth nations and colonies get parliamental seats on the Alliance parliament- indicating that both earth and the alliance are very closely linked. It is overwhelmingly obvious that the alliance represents humanity so why the hell wouldn't they assist in the evac if they could? If the the state of Arizona gets attacked would the US government do nothing because the state government has some control over its own laws, just like the earth nations have some separation from the alliance? The fact that this thread has got to 16 pages is ridiculous

You would think so,But no lol.

[Shotokanguy]

God, 16 pages? Just once I could get into one of these topics where someone says something stupid and shut them down on page 1.

[suprhomre]

Because they are human and other humans need there help. In what part doesn't it make sense?

[dreman9999]

Fixers0 wrote...

nhsk wrote...

Without the backing of the nations that are actually in the alliance the alliance is nothing.

Which is autmaticly false since the Alliance is an  independant nation. who are mainly backed by human companies and various colonies.

Some need to know who the alliance is before commenting....
http://masseffect.wi...ystems_Alliance

The Systems Alliance[/b] is the representative body of Earth and all human colonies in Citadel
space. Backed by Earth's most powerful nations, the Alliance has become
humanity's military, exploratory, and economic spearhead. While the
Alliance is relatively new to the galactic community, it has already
made a name for itself, gaining humans an embassy on the Presidium. The Alliance is governed by a parliament based at Arcturus Station; the station also serves as the Alliance's capital.


So...Alliacne = Major contries of earth and colonies....

[dreman9999]

MajorStranger wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

eh...Dont think that really Constitutes as a "Retcon" Zulu...oversight maybe? *shrug* But still why wouldnt the systems alliance....help the home system?

Because the Alliance  has absolutly no interest in defending earth.

Hmm so the Alliance should protect a colony like Eden Prime, but with the Homeworld of the "SPECIES" is attacked it should just twiddle its thumbs?

Good logic.

Yeah, I don't understand the issue some have with the Alliance in this situation.  I mean, why WOULDN'T the Alliance defend Earth?  What's the point of the Alliance if they don't act to defend the home and biggest concentration of humanity.  The Alliance is more or less like NATO.  An attack on one is an attack on them all.  Also, NATO is more than just a military alliance.  It is political and economic as well.

That is incorrect. While NATO's sole goal is the defense of Europe and North-America. The same countries involved in NATO use different organisation for political and economical problem. (NAFTA for North America, European Union for Europe. They also have the G8 and G20. NATO is only about military alliance.

But the alliance is both of those.....That's the point...

[SnakeStrike8]

Seems pretty logical to me that the Alliance would have many more spaceworthy shuttles and transports that any single earth nation. Grounds for providing the transport off the world to other worlds.
And if it's such a big bloody deal to you, then just imagine that Hackett or some other bigshot ordered a fleet or two in to save as many humans as they could.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

For the love of The Biotic God let this thread die.