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[Malanek]

I'm not quite sure I understand this. Has the alliance moved it's fleet in after the reapers arrive to evacuate or are the alliance forces on and around earth evacuating? The former would be pretty stupid, the latter very obvious.

[Someone With Mass]

Malanek999 wrote...

I'm not quite sure I understand this. Has the alliance moved it's fleet in after the reapers arrive to evacuate or are the alliance forces on and around earth evacuating? The former would be pretty stupid, the latter very obvious.

According to this trailer, the Alliance stationed a massive fleet above Earth in preparation for the Reapers arrival.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Malanek999 wrote...

I'm not quite sure I understand this. Has the alliance moved it's fleet in after the reapers arrive to evacuate or are the alliance forces on and around earth evacuating? The former would be pretty stupid, the latter very obvious.

"The obscure we see eventually. The completely obvious, it seems, takes longer."

[Phaedon]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Kodiak shuttles have FTL capability

No, they don't.

BioWare has been too lazy and greedy to do it properly.

Mass Effect 2 - After Lazarus Project - Speak to Jacob and Miranda - Cut to Minuteman Station.


I like how you didn't answer any of my points, by the way.

Modifié par Phaedon, 24 juillet 2011 - 09:20 .

[Icinix]

I thought in the live trailer - one of the news broadcasts had a small reel on the bottom saying the Fleet was in retreat when the Reapers came.

[GunMoth]

Well considering an ex-member of the alliance committed one of the largest acts of genocide in quite some time, it makes sense that a good portion of the alliance is present for Shepard's trial.

It also makes sense that the alliance has a large station on Earth. :x I think we're underestimating the size of the Alliance.

[Xarathox]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

I'm not quite sure I understand this. Has the alliance moved it's fleet in after the reapers arrive to evacuate or are the alliance forces on and around earth evacuating? The former would be pretty stupid, the latter very obvious.

According to this trailer, the Alliance stationed a massive fleet above Earth in preparation for a possible Batarian invasion.

Fixed that for you.

The Alliance doesn't believe in the reapers, the Council doesn't believe in the Reapers nor 99.9% of the rest of the galaxy. Why would they prepare for an invasion for an enemy everyone believes to be a fairytale?

Preparing for an invasion from the Batarians after Shepard nuked 300k of them, is by far the only conclusion.

[SandTrout]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Kodiak shuttles have FTL capability

No, they don't.

BioWare has been too lazy and greedy to do it properly.

Yes, they do, though range is probably limited. The fact that it is used as a drop-shuttle in no way negates the possibility of FTL.

There are multiple cases of the Kodiak demonstrating FTL in the game.
1) The transport from Lazarus to Minuteman.
2) Using the shuttle to get to your next mission during the Collector's IFF ambush. The Normandy was in deep-space at the time, meaning that FTL would be required to get anywhere in a reasonable amount of time.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

At this point in this topic every possible way to answer this question has already been stated,yes its 17 pages but you'll find the first 3-4 contain all relevant info ,the rest is bickering about why everyone else is teh dumb

Edit: Xarothox brings up the batarians which is the only variable not discussed because we were busy fighting about the Kodiak:bandit:

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 24 juillet 2011 - 09:40 .

[Someone With Mass]

Xarathox wrote...

Fixed that for you.

The Alliance doesn't believe in the reapers, the Council doesn't believe in the Reapers nor 99.9% of the rest of the galaxy. Why would they prepare for an invasion for an enemy everyone believes to be a fairytale?

Preparing for an invasion from the Batarians after Shepard nuked 300k of them, is by far the only conclusion.

I don't think they'd pull back thousands of ships to Earth just to protect it from some lousy batarian fleet. Especially when a much smaller force kicked the batarian's asses hard during the Skyllian Blitz.

[1136342t54_]

This seems like the op has just trolled everyone basically.

[1136342t54_]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Xarathox wrote...

Fixed that for you.

The Alliance doesn't believe in the reapers, the Council doesn't believe in the Reapers nor 99.9% of the rest of the galaxy. Why would they prepare for an invasion for an enemy everyone believes to be a fairytale?

Preparing for an invasion from the Batarians after Shepard nuked 300k of them, is by far the only conclusion.

I don't think they'd pull back thousands of ships to Earth just to protect it from some lousy batarian fleet. Especially when a much smaller force kicked the batarian's asses hard during the Skyllian Blitz.

Actually no they killed pirates and criminal warlords asses in the Skyllian Blitz. The Batarians only funded those factions. The Alliance never really fought a conventional war with the batarians.

[Xarathox]

GunMoth wrote...

Well considering an ex-member of the alliance committed one of the largest acts of genocide in quite some time, it makes sense that a good portion of the alliance is present for Shepard's trial.

It also makes sense that the alliance has a large station on Earth. :x I think we're underestimating the size of the Alliance.

Considering that the Alliance is roughly the same size as todays U.S forces, they wouldn't be that impressive in size. Formidable? yes. All incompasing Galactic Empire ala Star Wars? no.

They would have about 500k ground forces (at max). Fighter craft would number in the hundreds, Frigates/Destroyers/Dreadnaughts would be even fewer in number, decending in order as listed. The codex even states that all militarized council races can only build and maintain very few Dreadnaughts, with the exception going to the Turians.

I think some of you are overestimating the Alliance.

[GunMoth]

Xarathox wrote...

GunMoth wrote...

Well considering an ex-member of the alliance committed one of the largest acts of genocide in quite some time, it makes sense that a good portion of the alliance is present for Shepard's trial.

It also makes sense that the alliance has a large station on Earth. :x I think we're underestimating the size of the Alliance.

Considering that the Alliance is roughly the same size as todays U.S forces, they wouldn't be that impressive in size. Formidable? yes. All incompasing Galactic Empire ala Star Wars? no.

They would have about 500k ground forces (at max). Fighter craft would number in the hundreds, Frigates/Destroyers/Dreadnaughts would be even fewer in number, decending in order as listed. The codex even states that all militarized council races can only build and maintain very few Dreadnaughts, with the exception going to the Turians.

I think some of you are overestimating the Alliance.

IRL
"As of 30 September 2010, 1,430,895 people were on active duty" (US Armed Forces)
"Earth population is currently 6,775,235,700." 

In Mass Effect 
"According to Mass Effect: Incursion, the exact human population of Earth in 2183 is 11,490,225,106."


Where are you getting this information? There is no way in hell the alliance is the same size as today's U.S. forces considering the increase in population. Not only that, but not every human lives on Earth - we also have the colonists and citizens of the Terminus systems. 

"The Alliance maintains an impressive navy consisting of over 200 vessels ranging from small hundred meter frigates to imposing kilometer long dreadnoughts and carriers. It is one of the greater forces in Citadel space and a serious rival to that of the turians"


D; 

[Phaedon]

Iirc, the Systems Alliance has soldiers from 193+ countries, so...

[WreshmanMcGoo]

I can't believe this thread was even created. I didn't even read the codex before this thread but I just assumed through common sense and logic that the Alliance was merely Earth and humanity's representation in the galactic community as well as furthering efforts of space colonization and that dozens of countries were a part of it.

How did someone get that it's an independent nation and thus wouldn't care what happens to the Earth at all?

[Someone With Mass]

Well, about 3% of the humans are volunteering for the military service in the Alliance. Only that puts their numbers in the hundreds of millions.

[SandTrout]

The Council regards the Alliance as a "sleeping giant" as only 3% of humans volunteer for military service.

Considering that the population of Earth alone, not counting the Colonies, is ~ 11.4 billion, that would imply that the total military establishment, the majority of which would be within the Alliance, is about 342 million humans.

[CroGamer002]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Well, about 3% of the humans are volunteering for the military service in the Alliance. Only that puts their numbers in the hundreds of millions.

Over 330 000 000 to be more precise.


How big is Chinese army today?

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

I figure the draft isn't a foreign concept in 2186

[exskeeny]

SandTrout wrote...

The Council regards the Alliance as a "sleeping giant" as only 3% of humans volunteer for military service.

Considering that the population of Earth alone, not counting the Colonies, is ~ 11.4 billion, that would imply that the total military establishment, the majority of which would be within the Alliance, is about 342 million humans.

Are you counting people of a non-combatant age i.e. the young and the old here?

[Yakko77]

MajorStranger wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

eh...Dont think that really Constitutes as a "Retcon" Zulu...oversight maybe? *shrug* But still why wouldnt the systems alliance....help the home system?

Because the Alliance  has absolutly no interest in defending earth.

Hmm so the Alliance should protect a colony like Eden Prime, but with the Homeworld of the "SPECIES" is attacked it should just twiddle its thumbs?

Good logic.

Yeah, I don't understand the issue some have with the Alliance in this situation.  I mean, why WOULDN'T the Alliance defend Earth?  What's the point of the Alliance if they don't act to defend the home and biggest concentration of humanity.  The Alliance is more or less like NATO.  An attack on one is an attack on them all.  Also, NATO is more than just a military alliance.  It is political and economic as well.

That is incorrect. While NATO's sole goal is the defense of Europe and North-America. The same countries involved in NATO use different organisation for political and economical problem. (NAFTA for North America, European Union for Europe. They also have the G8 and G20. NATO is only about military alliance.

Yeah, I mistook the NATO Parliamentary Assembly and it's various committees as an official part of NATO.

[Arxduke]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

I think Zulu is just trolling. We lose Earth, we lose over 90% of the Human population. We'd be screwed.

This. The Alliance is responisible for Humanity in space, however everyone is going to be doing anything they can to save as many humans as they can to keep their race alive. As Humans, and for any race really, we unconciously are pro-human and loosing that many people means you lost. And nobody wants to lose.

People would really care less about politics when their whole planet and species is in danger. It would just be the right thing to do. If I was head of the Systems Alliance I would still order our spacecraft to go down and save people. I could care less what government says what.

[1136342t54_]

It wouldn't just be morally right but also economically. Earth is going through a golden age. The economy on earth is booming and guess where that money would be going to. The SA military and Earth's colonies. The SA needs large financial support and people to keep it active. Human colonies support the SA but I the colonies alone wouldn't be able to support a interstellar military like the Systems Alliance. Humanity just hasn't been in space long enough.

The Turians could likely lose their homeworld but still be in the fight. They've been in space long enough to likely have a population in the upper double digit billions. Their economy is also larger then Humanity's so they could go into war time production on other large colony worlds that would have populations akin to billions of people.