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[AquamanOS]

Earth is humanity's homeworld. Of course it would be important, just as all the other races homeworlds are. Just because Shepard came from one gang infested slum doesn't mean all of the Earth is like that. Just that a Shepard who had a happy loving life on Earth wouldn't be in the military.

[Yakko77]

Arxduke wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

I think Zulu is just trolling. We lose Earth, we lose over 90% of the Human population. We'd be screwed.

This. The Alliance is responisible for Humanity in space, however everyone is going to be doing anything they can to save as many humans as they can to keep their race alive. As Humans, and for any race really, we unconciously are pro-human and loosing that many people means you lost. And nobody wants to lose.

People would really care less about politics when their whole planet and species is in danger. It would just be the right thing to do. If I was head of the Systems Alliance I would still order our spacecraft to go down and save people. I could care less what government says what.

Yeah, if we beat the Reapers but still lose 90% of the human population then we have still essentially lost in a way.  The term Pyrrhic Victory comes to mind....

[1136342t54_]

The thing is Humanity still has Colonies out there and a fleet left. As a Council race they can call on a **** load of help but Humanity wouldn't be the power we once was.

[1136342t54_]

Saphra Deden wrote...

With 90% of its population dead along with most of its economy it won't be a Council race anymore. Even if the Council is human controlled they'll have an extremely hard time keeping it once they can no longer pay for their large fleet.

I doubt it. The Council never kicked anyone off the council's seat before. If a human saves the Galaxy again they will allow Humanity to keep its Council's seat just simply out of respect. It will likely not be a large political position but more ceremonial. Also whos to say the other Council races won't get their asses kicked at least similar to humanity? The Turian homeworld will be attacked. Depending on how the game goes most if not all the Council races will be horribly hit by the Reaper fleets.

[Someone With Mass]

If the humans becomes a liability instead of the supporting column, they will be ditched in an instant. Any race would.

[1136342t54_]

Saphra Deden wrote...

lol

Council races are expected to meet certain obligations. Without its homeworld humanity won't be able to meet those obligations. It will have to step down.

No one has ever actually been kicked off. The fact that they will have to do this with humanity their strongest Council race would be a bit to morale breaking. Also by kicking Humanity off the Citadel Council then that's not just kicking out a **** load of politicians and human workers who are a part of the Councils forces they will have to take out the Systems Alliance military from the Council. Their really is no point in doing that when they could just let Humanity keep their position.

Wow, I think you are the most naive person I've had the displeasure to meet on this entire forum. I'm amazed.

Considering that you are incredibly wrong and making an assumption about someone you've never met pretty much leads me to actually understand why you ignored part of my arguement.

Letting humanity stay on the Council to be honest isn't a bad thing. If they somehow stop the Reapers then they will have to worry about rebuilding not whether or not who is on the Council or not. Kicking humanity out will make them have to think about reorganizing Council forces if they even can. Remember the Turians and Humanity have been getting their asses kicked and the other Council races will follow. I'd doubt that anyone of them could even stay on the Council. Depending on what ending you go with the Council races have supposedly just became weaker than Humanity.

When the Reapers attack I seriously doubt any Council race would be able to have the same power they once had. It would at least take a few decades or more.

[1136342t54_]

And your being childish by ignoring a large part of the arguement. Oh well no point in arguing with most people on BSN these days anyway.

[SandTrout]

RidiculousName is correct on one point. Most likely, the Council will either be non-existent or so weak as to be trivial in its enforceable authority.

Can we please let this stupid topic die now?

[AquamanOS]

No that's a fairly good point. To be a council rep you're race needs to have made a serious security contrabution to Citadel races. Well except for the Asari and Salarians as they founded the council.

The Turians were added after they helped with the Krogan rebellions (and it took them thousands of years) while the Humans were added (if you save the Council) because they repelled the attack on the Citadel. And why the Volus complain that they'll never ever be made a Council race, because they have zero intergalatic military strength.

Assuming you lost your species military power. They could possibly suggest you be removed since you can't contribute. That's yet to happen though.

[1136342t54_]

AquamanOS wrote...

No that's a fairly good point. To be a council rep you're race needs to have made a serious security contrabution to Citadel races. Well except for the Asari and Salarians as they founded the council.

The Turians were added after they helped with the Krogan rebellions (and it took them thousands of years) while the Humans were added (if you save the Council) because they repelled the attack on the Citadel. And why the Volus complain that they'll never ever be made a Council race, because they have zero intergalatic military strength.

Assuming you lost your species military power. They could possibly suggest you be removed since you can't contribute. That's yet to happen though.

You are mostly correct but its more accurate to say that you need to be both a economic and military power to be exact. The Asari and Salarians aren't just on the Council because they founded it. They are their because economically they are the biggest powers and if the Turians took them on they would lose more than they would gain from a war.

My main point is that it would pointless if the SA is taken off the Council especially during the war. Most of the Council races would be so screwed up to the point that actually having the SA be on the council would be more helpful.

[1136342t54_]

Tigerblood and MilkShakes wrote...

i know im a little late to this thread.but how is this a question.the Alliance is an earth based militray group created to defend humanity from enemies in space or back on land.so why wouldnt they try to save humans on earth,seriously thats like secret service debating if they should take a bullet for the President let alone even guard him/her

I'd be content on letting it die. let someone create a thread on this new discussion.

[atheelogos]

Mesina2 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Well, about 3% of the humans are volunteering for the military service in the Alliance. Only that puts their numbers in the hundreds of millions.

Over 330 000 000 to be more precise.


How big is Chinese army today?

true I was just giving a rough estimate

[Sashimi_taco]

Saphra Deden wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

And your being childish by ignoring a large part of the arguement.

Your premise is too ridiculous to take seriously. I read it, but it's preposterously stupid.

[BlackwindTheCommander]

Why does Humans helping Humans seem so complicated?

[darth_lopez]

from the ME wiki

Rather than nations fighting each other over their differences, it
was now "us vs. them" and the foundations of a united human front were
laid.
Within a year of the discovery, Earth's eighteen largest nations
had drafted and ratified the Systems Alliance charter, establishing a
representative political body to expand and defend human territory.
Shortly thereafter, the various nations of Earth pooled their military
resources to create the Systems Alliance Military. The same year, 2149,
the Alliance discovered the Sol system's mass relay orbiting Pluto, previously thought to be a moon, Charon. The Charon Relay propelled them into space and the reach of humanity grew quickly.

Its essentially space NATO if any of the Homeworld's Nations have interests in space They protect them(including possibly most importantly Earth Considering without earth the Space NATO can not exist) If they're interests are threatend they Fly in and protect the interest through their Diplomatic arm or the Military arm.

If earth is besieged then obviously Space NATO would come to help in the same way that if the US, Brittain France (nato members) etc... are attacked Other NATO Forces come to help (comprised of Nato Members)

[Arijharn]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

Zulu, surely you realise that nobody, not even the Alliance, can hush up the fact that an entire system went up in a bright light.

I refuse to see the point of accepting the responsibility.

A system went up. In the Batarian space. Must be some new WMD they tested! Alarm!!! Militarize, everybody!!!

Who do you think the Council is going to believe? If anything, exploding star systems should be a matter of the Council's own primary concern.

This "appeasing the Batarians" crap is, for the lack of a better word, crap.

The fact that out of my post you only responded to the quoted section is what I think is crap Zulu.

[vader da slayer]

marshalleck wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

All the nation states are "affiliated beneath the overarching banner of the Systems Alliance", or so says the codex.

That's actually a rather strange part of the codex, that entry Displayes like the Alliance is some kind of UN. yet other entries i seem to hammer upon that Alliance is an independant Nation, and it's very unlikley that ll the goverments will resort to an indepedant entity for protection from attacks outer space,

"The Systems Alliance is the representative body of Earth and all human colonies in Citadel space. Backed by Earth's most powerful nations, the Alliance has become humanity's military, exploratory, and economic spearhead."

Which part of that is unclear to you? The Systems Alliance is humanity. They're not just going to sit back and watch Earth burn.

would like to reiterate this since it seems to have been missed by all the people thinking the SA wouldn't help earth. and btw this is the first few sentences from the Systems Alliance entry on the ME wiki. this is also being quoted from the first page of this thread.

link to ME Systems Alliance wiki page

[Nightdragon8]

I think even with a 90% human fality rate, the fact that you will have so much Reaper scrap that money wont be an issue and if anything keep all the scrap yourself and use it for tech, instant technologically superior race

on a side note, looks like the Allance is a follower of Sun Tzu....