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[nhsk]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

on a side note, looks like the Allance is a follower of Sun Tzu....

All modern warfare is.

[SkittlesKat96]

vader da slayer wrote...
"The Systems Alliance is the representative body of Earth and all human colonies in Citadel space. Backed by Earth's most powerful nations, the Alliance has become humanity's military, exploratory, and economic spearhead."

Which part of that is unclear to you? The Systems Alliance is humanity. They're not just going to sit back and watch Earth burn.

link to ME Systems Alliance wiki page[/url]

Seems like people keep missing this, why is this still being discussed?

Modifié par SkittlesKat96, 25 juillet 2011 - 10:09 .

[Fixers0]

SkittlesKat96 wrote...

vader da slayer wrote...
"The Systems Alliance is the representative body of Earth and all human colonies in Citadel space. Backed by Earth's most powerful nations, the Alliance has become humanity's military, exploratory, and economic spearhead."

Which part of that is unclear to you? The Systems Alliance is humanity. They're not just going to sit back and watch Earth burn.

link to ME Systems Alliance wiki page[/url]

Seems like people keep missing this, why is this still being discussed?

Because it's not economical profitable to send you're fleet to their doom by evacuting that 'acid waste slum' money sink hole that is called ''earth''

And besides it's and independant goverment that makes it's own decision.

[Someone With Mass]

Fixers0 wrote...

Because it's not economical profitable to send you're fleet to their doom by evacuting that 'acid waste slum' money sink hole that is called ''earth''

And besides it's and independant goverment that makes it's own decision.

Okay. Good luck running that independent government with resources or manpower that aren't even close to what Earth can provide.

[celuloid]

Fixers0 wrote...

it's not economical profitable to send you're fleet to their doom by evacuting that 'acid waste slum' money sink hole that is called ''earth''

Do you have a better plan except "wait and see"? And in any case, since Alliance does not metagame, they don't know they are going to lose in conventional war against Reapers.

[TLayug]

"Why is the Alliance helping to evacuate earth?"

Cuz it's fun

[CroGamer002]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Because it's not economical profitable to send you're fleet to their doom by evacuting that 'acid waste slum' money sink hole that is called ''earth''

And besides it's and independant goverment that makes it's own decision.

Okay. Good luck running that independent government with resources or manpower that aren't even close to what Earth can provide.

And with army that mostly came from Earth.

[Fixers0]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Because it's not economical profitable to send you're fleet to their doom by evacuting that 'acid waste slum' money sink hole that is called ''earth''

And besides it's and independant goverment that makes it's own decision.

Okay. Good luck running that independent government with resources or manpower that aren't even close to what Earth can provide.

What does Earth provide to Alliance, Nothing, well mayby the cigars TIM smokes,

But almost all it's backing and funding comes from corporations and colonies, almost everything essential comes from outside the sol system, which is logical since the goal of the Alliance was to operate outside of it,

Earth on the other hand is just a money sink that struggle with over population, you should be happy that it's gone. 

[CroGamer002]

Fixers0 wrote...

What does Earth provide to Alliance, Nothing, well mayby the cigars TIM smokes,

But almost all it's backing and funding comes from corporations and colonies, almost everything essential comes from outside the sol system, which is logical since the goal of the Alliance was to operate outside of it,

Earth on the other hand is just a money sink that struggle with over population, you should be happy that it's gone. 

Read Codex for crying out loud!

Alliance Codex

The Systems Alliance is the representative body of Earth and all human colonies in Citadel space. Backed by Earth's most powerful nations, the Alliance has become humanity's military, exploratory, and economic spearhead. While the Alliance is relatively new to the galactic community, it has already made a name for itself, gaining humans an embassy on the Presidium. The Alliance is governed by a parliament based at Arcturus Station; the station also serves as the Alliance's capital.

Also 3% of Earth population is in Alliance military.
Which is over 330 million of soldiers!

Modifié par Mesina2, 25 juillet 2011 - 10:38 .

[Fixers0]

Mesina2 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

What does Earth provide to Alliance, Nothing, well mayby the cigars TIM smokes,

But almost all it's backing and funding comes from corporations and colonies, almost everything essential comes from outside the sol system, which is logical since the goal of the Alliance was to operate outside of it,

Earth on the other hand is just a money sink that struggle with over population, you should be happy that it's gone. 

Read Codex for crying out loud!

Alliance Codex

The Systems Alliance is the representative body of Earth and all human colonies in Citadel space. Backed by Earth's most powerful nations, the Alliance has become humanity's military, exploratory, and economic spearhead. While the Alliance is relatively new to the galactic community, it has already made a name for itself, gaining humans an embassy on the Presidium. The Alliance is governed by a parliament based at Arcturus Station; the station also serves as the Alliance's capital.

Also 3% of Earth population is in Alliance military.
Which is over 330 million of soldiers!

LIES, that is not from the Codex, that is ME wiki fanboy crap.

[Someone With Mass]

Fixers0 wrote...
What does Earth provide to Alliance, Nothing, well mayby the cigars TIM smokes,

But almost all it's backing and funding comes from corporations and colonies, almost everything essential comes from outside the sol system, which is logical since the goal of the Alliance was to operate outside of it,

Earth on the other hand is just a money sink that struggle with over population, you should be happy that it's gone. 

The very reason why the other races didn't want to start trouble with the Alliance is because they thought humanity was a "sleeping giant" with only 3% of their population ready for military service.

If you take Earth away, that number will decrease so rapidly so humanity will be easy bait for anyone out there that might want to take over their colonies or the likes.

Earth has about 11 billion people alone. The human colonies have a total of 50 million at best. 

The colonies just won't be able to uphold the Alliance at its current strength on their own. Resources don't mean crap if you don't have people that can use them.

[dahoughtonuk]

You can''t rescue everybody, but you do need to take people off Earth, mostly due to the bottleneck effect. Some genes are in probably found only on Earth, and they need to be saved. You don't take entire families, but one person from each.

If Earth falls the alliance does. Think British or Roman empires. Earth, Rome or London could be sacked and survive, but if they ever truly fall so does the empire.

Earth has high taxes and is overpopulated . This suggests, Earth provides,, the colonists, the genetic library, and the money. Lose the genetic library and you are effectively extinct. See Quarian's, Krogan, and possibly Asari.

[Someone With Mass]

Fixers0 wrote...
LIES, that is not from the Codex, that is ME wiki fanboy crap.

Until you can provide a better source, we're going with the wikia page.

Deal with it.

[Fixers0]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...
LIES, that is not from the Codex, that is ME wiki fanboy crap.

Until you can provide a better source, we're going with the wikia page.

Deal with it.

Codex, and ingame background info.

[Fixers0]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...
What does Earth provide to Alliance, Nothing, well mayby the cigars TIM smokes,

But almost all it's backing and funding comes from corporations and colonies, almost everything essential comes from outside the sol system, which is logical since the goal of the Alliance was to operate outside of it,

Earth on the other hand is just a money sink that struggle with over population, you should be happy that it's gone. 

The very reason why the other races didn't want to start trouble with the Alliance is because they thought humanity was a "sleeping giant" with only 3% of their population ready for military service.

If you take Earth away, that number will decrease so rapidly so humanity will be easy bait for anyone out there that might want to take over their colonies or the likes.

Earth has about 11 billion people alone. The human colonies have a total of 50 million at best. 

The colonies just won't be able to uphold the Alliance at its current strength on their own. Resources don't mean crap if you don't have people that can use them.

There is something called ''profit''

Ships are build at Arcturus.

Resources and materials come from corporations.

Manpower comes from colonies

Problems come from earth

Maximum profit comes from removing problems.

[MDT1]

I don't get it why people say the Alliance has nothing to do with earth (it has even earth in its logo).
It represents all human colonies and Earth and as far as I know a lot of humans still live on earth.
That the citadel council sees humaity as a whole represented be the alliance doesn't mean earth can't be an important part of it.

[MDT1]

Fixers0 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...
LIES, that is not from the Codex, that is ME wiki fanboy crap.

Until you can provide a better source, we're going with the wikia page.

Deal with it.

Codex, and ingame background info.

Then name and quote them please.

Like: Ingame Codex about Earth:

The homeworld and capital of humanity
is entering a new golden age. The resource wealth of a dozen settled
colonies and a hundred industrial outposts flows back to Earth, fueling
great works of industry, commerce, and art. The great cities are
greening as arcology skyscrapers and telecommuting allow more efficient
use of land.
Earth is still divided among nation-states, though all are affiliated beneath the overarching banner of the Systems Alliance.
....

Modifié par MDT1, 25 juillet 2011 - 11:01 .

[Someone With Mass]

Fixers0 wrote...

There is something called ''profit''

Ships are build at Arcturus.

Resources and materials come from corporations.

Manpower comes from colonies

Problems come from earth

Maximum profit comes from removing problems.

As I just said, the colonies just won't be able to match the manpower to run the Alliance on their own.

[nhsk]

Fixers0 wrote...

LIES, that is not from the Codex, that is ME wiki fanboy crap.

Grasping at straws are we? Implications unpleasant...

[dahoughtonuk]

I notice you avoided mypoint . I pointed out British Empire and genetic bottleneck. The Alliance is much less powerful than it looks. Colonies are underpopulated, If you remove colonists from them you lose the colony. You're not looking at things in the round. Like the Britsh Empire the home has high taxes, the colonies light,

There are gangs in worse areas, which you can escape by entering the Alliance or being sentenced to colonies. Second there is no America.(unless Cerberus counts). So no colony yet has either enough resources or people to go their own way.

If Earth ever truly falls so does the Alliance.

[InfoGuy101]

The Earth is part of the Alliance, it founded the Alliance to represent humans on a galactic scale. Also it's the largest human population in the galaxy. The Alliance looks out for human interest so what do you think there going to do just sit back.........

This thread is getting ridiculous. Maybe a mod should close it.

[Arijharn]

Fixers0 wrote...

What does Earth provide to Alliance, Nothing, well mayby the cigars TIM smokes,

I'm going to be brutally honest here, but that's pretty naive for you to think. If SA is the representative face of Humanity then even if it's 'majority shareholders' as you'd like to call them, companies, would have to have their base of operations here. Why? Because Earth is the lynchpin of Humanity's economic might.

Like it or lump it, but the greater portion of humanity's population exists on Earth. If the Systems Alliance is made up from Earth's 'strongest' nations, then it would surely be an exercise of common sense to apply that taxes go towards the Systems Alliance upkeep to at least some part. I don't know about you, but if my taxes supplemented the Systems Alliance operating costs, it would make a tonne of sense if the Systems Alliance would respond if my homeworld (our homeworld) was attacked. Sure, the SA would sit out if Australia went to war with the North American states for arguments sake, but if the Turian's started to march on us, well duh of course the SA would respond. Do you know why? BECAUSE WHAT THE **** IS THE POINT OF EVEN HAVING THE SA OTHERWISE? Even if the SA is driven by corporate interests (source please) then they'd want to protect those that are the ones paying their bills.

You think that if the Turian's did declare war on us and managed to push us all the way back to Earth, the SA would suddenly just stop and say to the Earth parliament: "Sorry guys, you're on your own as we can't help you anymore... yeah, we've exceeded our operational mandate and can't protect the Sol System directly." I'm sorry, but that is the most retarded thing I've ever heard on these forums (and that's saying something).

Fixers0 wrote...
But almost all it's backing and funding comes from corporations and colonies, almost everything essential comes from outside the sol system, which is logical since the goal of the Alliance was to operate outside of it,

What sort of 'almost everything essential comes from outside the sol system' items do you know of?
You know what I think? I think you actually have no idea and have nothing to back that statement up. I think the SA has plenty of things in the sol system that requires their on-going presence.
• Recruitment centres
• Shipyards (Hell, we had to enter and construct spacecraft from somewhere right? Wouldn't it make sense then that the largest shipyards would be in Earth orbit for the simple reason that: a) Ready access to materials and workers, Expansion options, c) Maturity of workforce)
• Uranus - the Alliance's largest supplier of He3
• Saturn - the Alliance's marine training ground for hostile environment training.
Shipyards, Uranus and Saturn would require ongoing military presence. 

Fixers0 wrote...
Earth on the other hand is just a money sink that struggle with over population, you should be happy that it's gone. 

It's of course impossible to save the population of Earth in any appreciable reason, but more than anything, I think the evacuation process was more to do with automated protocols in place, rather than: "OMG it's the Reapers."

I'm amazed that you can't seem to grasp that although colonists can manufacture a lot of things for their colonies, they can't manufacture everything they need, and nor should they (waste of resources for one, lack of 'Fabrication Rights Management' whatever, sheer scale of construction for some reason). You seem to think that they can construct a spacecraft in their backyard using nothing but an Omnitool and a large sheet of metal.

I'm sure the individual nations are doing there part too, or perhaps there'll be a bit of an explanation in the codex?