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[Kaiser_Wilhelm]

marshalleck wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

All the nation states are "affiliated beneath the overarching banner of the Systems Alliance", or so says the codex.

That's actually a rather strange part of the codex, that entry Displayes like the Alliance is some kind of UN. yet other entries i seem to hammer upon that Alliance is an independant Nation, and it's very unlikley that ll the goverments will resort to an indepedant entity for protection from attacks outer space,

"The Systems Alliance is the representative body of Earth and all human colonies in Citadel space. Backed by Earth's most powerful nations, the Alliance has become humanity's military, exploratory, and economic spearhead."

Which part of that is unclear to you? The Systems Alliance is humanity. 

Exactly, which is why it's completely logical they'd defend from attack by the Reapers.

Modifié par Kaiser_Wilhelm, 23 juillet 2011 - 10:04 .

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Seriously, guys?

[Fixers0]

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

eh...Dont think that really Constitutes as a "Retcon" Zulu...oversight maybe? *shrug* But still why wouldnt the systems alliance....help the home system?

Because the Alliance  has absolutly no interest in defending earth.

A human organization, funded, founded, and led by Earth's nations, would have no interest in providing military aid to its leaders and source of funding?

Nope, it's a totally independant entity with it's own goverment, that may be founded by earth back in the day, but now relies on colonies and companies for funding. 

[robarcool]

Well, it is the home planet. They will protect it, maybe not for financial reasons but at least for the sentimental value.

[marshalleck]

Fixers0 wrote...

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

eh...Dont think that really Constitutes as a "Retcon" Zulu...oversight maybe? *shrug* But still why wouldnt the systems alliance....help the home system?

Because the Alliance  has absolutly no interest in defending earth.

A human organization, funded, founded, and led by Earth's nations, would have no interest in providing military aid to its leaders and source of funding?

Nope, it's a totally independant entity with it's own goverment, that may be founded by earth back in the day, but now relies on colonies and companies for funding. 

You're simply wrong. 

"The Alliance is responsible for the government and defense of all extra-solar human colonies, and represents humanity on the galactic stage. It is a supranational government, and is based on a parliamentary system, with the Alliance Parliament based at Arcturus Station. It is unknown if the representation is based on the population of member nations on Earth and the colonies, or if all nations and colonies involved receive the same amount of parliamentary members.

The Alliance government is headed by a Prime Minister; as of 2185 this position was occupied by Amul Shastri. It is unknown whether the Prime Minister is an elected member of Parliament, or is appointed to the position. While the Alliance is a supranational government, the member nations retain their individual sovereignty back on Earth."

Modifié par marshalleck, 23 juillet 2011 - 10:08 .

[Someone With Mass]

marshalleck wrote...

"The Systems Alliance is the representative body of Earth and all human colonies in Citadel space. Backed by Earth's most powerful nations, the Alliance has become humanity's military, exploratory, and economic spearhead."

Which part of that is unclear to you? The Systems Alliance is humanity. They're not just going to sit back and watch Earth burn.

It's also the reason the Alliance was created to begin with. To protect Earth and its colonies from potential alien threats.

[PPF65]

Fixers0 wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

eh...Dont think that really Constitutes as a "Retcon" Zulu...oversight maybe? *shrug* But still why wouldnt the systems alliance....help the home system?

Because the Alliance  has absolutly no interest in defending earth.

Apart from the fact that the Alliance is all human, and about 99% of humans live on Earth... right?

Modifié par PPF65, 23 juillet 2011 - 10:08 .

[Fixers0]

marshalleck wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

All the nation states are "affiliated beneath the overarching banner of the Systems Alliance", or so says the codex.

That's actually a rather strange part of the codex, that entry Displayes like the Alliance is some kind of UN. yet other entries i seem to hammer upon that Alliance is an independant Nation, and it's very unlikley that ll the goverments will resort to an indepedant entity for protection from attacks outer space,

"The Systems Alliance is the representative body of Earth and all human colonies in Citadel space. Backed by Earth's most powerful nations, the Alliance has become humanity's military, exploratory, and economic spearhead."

Which part of that is unclear to you? The Systems Alliance is humanity. They're not just going to sit back and watch Earth burn.

You copied that from From the ME wiki, they often like to fill the holes in the story with convienant information.


And why should't they let earth burn, it's not like they are getting thay much resources or material from that planet other then political support.

Modifié par Fixers0, 23 juillet 2011 - 10:09 .

[Dave of Canada]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Both of you.

Shut up.

Don't like it, don't participate.

Listen to your own advice more often and I'd consider it.

[CaptainHydra]

I believe that the Alliance has a parliamentary system installed, and has members from both Human colonies and from Earth, it is backed by major nations and the Arcturus Station guards the Mass Relay that goes to Earth, so they could easily defend it, so they obviously care. Also, Earth also has the largest human population (11 billion) and I doubt the Alliance cares more about the lots of small colonies compared to EARTH.

[Someone With Mass]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Listen to your own advice more often and I'd consider it.

What?

I can't hear you over your butthurt Renegade babble.

[Cainne Chapel]

Fixers0 wrote...

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

eh...Dont think that really Constitutes as a "Retcon" Zulu...oversight maybe? *shrug* But still why wouldnt the systems alliance....help the home system?

Because the Alliance  has absolutly no interest in defending earth.

A human organization, funded, founded, and led by Earth's nations, would have no interest in providing military aid to its leaders and source of funding?

Nope, it's a totally independant entity with it's own goverment, that may be founded by earth back in the day, but now relies on colonies and companies for funding. 

I guess you're really not understanding the concept here.... Even IF the Alliance is an independent entity, its in its BEST interest to keep the home system where 95%+ of all humanity lives, safe from invasion.

Think about what happens to the alliances credibility if they cant even protect they're species home system?  What would they stand to gain by letting the Sol System fall to destruction and thousands of years of human civilization beings wiped clean?

Nothing.

Same reason the US will help other countries during wartime, because they have something to gain from winning.  and a LOT to lose from losing

[Dave of Canada]

Someone With Mass wrote...

What?

I can't hear you over your butthurt Renegade babble.

You're hilarious. How long did it take for you to think that up? Certainly took more thought than you ever put in the series.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 23 juillet 2011 - 10:13 .

[marshalleck]

Fixers0 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

All the nation states are "affiliated beneath the overarching banner of the Systems Alliance", or so says the codex.

That's actually a rather strange part of the codex, that entry Displayes like the Alliance is some kind of UN. yet other entries i seem to hammer upon that Alliance is an independant Nation, and it's very unlikley that ll the goverments will resort to an indepedant entity for protection from attacks outer space,

"The Systems Alliance is the representative body of Earth and all human colonies in Citadel space. Backed by Earth's most powerful nations, the Alliance has become humanity's military, exploratory, and economic spearhead."

Which part of that is unclear to you? The Systems Alliance is humanity. They're not just going to sit back and watch Earth burn.

You copied that from From the ME wiki, they often like to fill the holes in the story with convienant information.


And why should't they let earth burn, it's not like they are getting thay much resources or material from that planet other then political support.

The wiki is perfectly accurate in this regard. It's a supranational parliamenty government of which Earth and all extra-solar human colonies are participants. It is humanity, and it would defend Earth if Earth were under attack, the same as it would defend colonies. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 23 juillet 2011 - 10:14 .

[Zulu_DFA]

marshalleck wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

eh...Dont think that really Constitutes as a "Retcon" Zulu...oversight maybe? *shrug* But still why wouldnt the systems alliance....help the home system?

Because the Alliance  has absolutly no interest in defending earth.

I have no idea where you get the idea that humans in the Systems Alliance have no interest in Earth, the home system. 

Because Earth is a huge resource and money sink for the Alliance. The Alliance should be happy the Earth is getting smashed, just like a greedy nephew is happy when his old, cranky and rich uncle is meeting the Grim Reaper. Think Udina, think TIM. No point in sacrificing the fleets to save the unproductive population.

Of course, the relatives and buddies of the wealthy Alliance honchos would get evac'd, and it stands to reason that the Alliance would assist in the evacuation to that end, but the main efforts would be undertaken by Earth's nation states (with no Alliance insignia on the vehicles).

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 23 juillet 2011 - 10:16 .

[Fixers0]

marshalleck wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

eh...Dont think that really Constitutes as a "Retcon" Zulu...oversight maybe? *shrug* But still why wouldnt the systems alliance....help the home system?

Because the Alliance  has absolutly no interest in defending earth.

A human organization, funded, founded, and led by Earth's nations, would have no interest in providing military aid to its leaders and source of funding?

Nope, it's a totally independant entity with it's own goverment, that may be founded by earth back in the day, but now relies on colonies and companies for funding. 

You're simply wrong. 

"The Alliance is responsible for the government and defense of all extra-solar human colonies, and represents humanity on the galactic stage. It is a supranational government, and is based on a parliamentary system, with the Alliance Parliament based at Arcturus Station. It is unknown if the representation is based on the population of member nations on Earth and the colonies, or if all nations and colonies involved receive the same amount of parliamentary members.

The Alliance government is headed by a Prime Minister; as of 2185 this position was occupied by Amul Shastri. It is unknown whether the Prime Minister is an elected member of Parliament, or is appointed to the position. While the Alliance is a supranational government, the member nations retain their individual sovereignty back on Earth."

What is there to see,  it has it's own goverment and it's responsible form all extra-solar Human activities, 


And an extra question
And since when does the Alliance controls all the media of various earth's nations.

[marshalleck]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

eh...Dont think that really Constitutes as a "Retcon" Zulu...oversight maybe? *shrug* But still why wouldnt the systems alliance....help the home system?

Because the Alliance  has absolutly no interest in defending earth.

I have no idea where you get the idea that humans in the Systems Alliance have no interest in Earth, the home system. 

Becasue Earth is a huge resource and money sink for the Alliance. The Alliance should be happy the Earth is getting smashed, just like a greedy nephew is happy when an old cranky uncle is meeting the Grim Reaper. Think Udina, think TIM. No point in sacrificing the fleets to save the unproductive population.

Of course, the relatives and buddies of the wealthy Alliance honchos would get evac'd, and it stands to reason that the Alliance would assist in the evacuation to that end, but the main efforts would be undertaken by Earth's nation states (with no Alliance insignia on the vehicles).

Oh, you're making things up again. I'm talking about information regarding the Alliance from the game, books, and dev journals. 

[Fixers0]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

eh...Dont think that really Constitutes as a "Retcon" Zulu...oversight maybe? *shrug* But still why wouldnt the systems alliance....help the home system?

Because the Alliance  has absolutly no interest in defending earth.

I have no idea where you get the idea that humans in the Systems Alliance have no interest in Earth, the home system. 

Becasue Earth is a huge resource and money sink for the Alliance. The Alliance should be happy the Earth is getting smashed, just like a greedy nephew is happy when an old cranky uncle is meeting the Grim Reaper. Think Udina, think TIM. No point in sacrificing the fleets to save the unproductive population.

Of course, the relatives and buddies of the wealthy Alliance honchos would get evac'd, and it stands to reason that the Alliance would assist in the evacuation to that end, but the main efforts would be undertaken by Earth's nation states (with no Alliance insignia on the vehicles).

This, pretty much

[marshalleck]

Fixers0 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

eh...Dont think that really Constitutes as a "Retcon" Zulu...oversight maybe? *shrug* But still why wouldnt the systems alliance....help the home system?

Because the Alliance  has absolutly no interest in defending earth.

A human organization, funded, founded, and led by Earth's nations, would have no interest in providing military aid to its leaders and source of funding?

Nope, it's a totally independant entity with it's own goverment, that may be founded by earth back in the day, but now relies on colonies and companies for funding. 

You're simply wrong. 

"The Alliance is responsible for the government and defense of all extra-solar human colonies, and represents humanity on the galactic stage. It is a supranational government, and is based on a parliamentary system, with the Alliance Parliament based at Arcturus Station. It is unknown if the representation is based on the population of member nations on Earth and the colonies, or if all nations and colonies involved receive the same amount of parliamentary members.

The Alliance government is headed by a Prime Minister; as of 2185 this position was occupied by Amul Shastri. It is unknown whether the Prime Minister is an elected member of Parliament, or is appointed to the position. While the Alliance is a supranational government, the member nations retain their individual sovereignty back on Earth."

What is there to see,  it has it's own goverment and it's responsible form all extra-solar Human activities, 


And an extra question
And since when does the Alliance controls all the media of various earth's nations.

 And Earth. It's all self-explanatory. I'm pretty sure you're just trolling now. Either that or you're just incredibly dumb.

Modifié par marshalleck, 23 juillet 2011 - 10:17 .

[Cainne Chapel]

Yes because 11 billion people are totally unproductive and nothing of any import comes from earth....

Guess you're also forgetting the moon and mars and the rest of the Sol System but hey, it doesnt matter right Zulu?

Why would the alliance go out of its way to protect colonies then? What good does a colony with only a few tens of thousands people provide then right?

Why protect anything at all? Nevermind Corporations, businesses, shipping yards, logistics, etc etc that are all provided by Earth, not to mention recruits.

I mean losing the home system would NOT effect the alliance negatively right? Just like how almost losing eden prime had NO impact on the alliance.

[Someone With Mass]

Dave of Canada wrote...

You're hilarious. How long did it take for you to think that up? Certainly took more thought than you ever put in the series.

About as long as it takes for you to start bitching about metagaming all the time.

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Earth is the backbone of humanity. That's it. Deciding to not help and support billions is just stupid.

[Leonia]

I thought this was explained in the live-action trailer honestly.

[Someone With Mass]

marshalleck wrote...

Oh, you're making things up again. I'm talking about information regarding the Alliance from the game, books, and dev journals. 

Look who you're talking to.

Zulu is always making things up.

[Sgt Stryker]

Earth has a population of 11 billion. There are only several hundred million humans scattered throughout the rest of the galaxy, on colonies or otherwise. It's all a simple matter of mathematics, really.

Zulu_DFA, I would like to see you produce the GDP data on Earth and the rest of the human worlds in the MEverse. Until you do so, I cannot accept that Earth is a "resource and money sink."

[Khran1505]

Let's see. Earth, our homeworld, is under attack by vicious ancient machines out to kill us all and we have the only means of saving our fellow race.

Why WOULDN'T the Alliance help evacuate Earth? It's our freaking homeworld? Politics be damned, jeez!