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[KJandrew]

I'm not exactly sure how you cannot. The vast majority of Alliance soldiers, officers and commanders are from Earth, how are you just going to tell them "Sorry, you're just going to have to leave your family, friends and homes to burn" and not except a huge drop in morale and a lot of mutinies.

[Dr. rotinaj]

Fixers0 wrote..

I was talking out of an Alliance POV

I don't care about the billions of useless civlians on earth, those few million hard working on the colonies will be much more needed to maintain the human race.

[Phaedon]

I wish I hadn't even participated in this thread at all, the posts defending the original argument are now "Hurr durr, that's from the wikia not the codex, but I don't care what the codex says either, but I'll apply my logic as if it is the Alliance's"

Oh and speaking of civillians based on usability, these boards sicken me.

Modifié par Phaedon, 25 juillet 2011 - 05:47 .

[LOLandStuff]

celuloid wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

What resources are located on earth, Cigar plantations Mayby?

They are called tobacco plantations.

Also, you seem to forget this:  

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Because Earth is a huge resource and money sink for the Alliance. The Alliance should be happy the Earth is getting smashed, just like a greedy nephew is happy when his old, cranky and rich uncle is meeting the Grim Reaper. Think Udina, think TIM. No point in sacrificing the fleets to save the unproductive population.

Of course, the relatives and buddies of the wealthy Alliance honchos would get evac'd, and it stands to reason that the Alliance would assist in the evacuation to that end, but the main efforts would be undertaken by Earth's nation states (with no Alliance insignia on the vehicles).

Wow, citing Zulu as though it is Codex entry.
He would be so proud of you. You are true heir to the legacy.

Zulu is Fixers' hero and main source of nonsensical inspiration.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

This thread has turned into fixer trying to tell us that what has happened shouldn't have and that wrong is right,and the rest of us are trying to convey to him...that he is stupid.

Lets just say BW is like DUDE OMGWTFNOWAI this f1x0r dude is totally right,lets change the game so that the SA ISN'T defending Earth.He would then ****** and moan about retcon.

[Fixers0]

Mesina2 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

The alliance also started on earth, look were that went.

Humanity got seat on Council in only 40 years?

Because of earth?

And people question my logic.

[Someone With Mass]

Fixers0 wrote...

The alliance also started on earth, look were that went.

Eh, that went good, considering that it got them into the Citadel community, and later gave them a chair on the Citadel Council.

And without the Alliance, Elysium and other human colonies would be in ruins.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Another thing is,why,why would Earth drop trillions of credits into this fleet,and then NOT ratify a treaty saying in the event it hits the fan,come save our asses.

[LOLandStuff]

Sundance31us wrote...

I'm loosely curious where all this hate for Earth came from.

Low self-esteem. But he ain't fooling anyone no matter how hard he keeps going. We'll just make him feel better if we agree to whatever he says.
But if you value your soul, then your ticket to salvation is agreeing with Zulu and Fixers. You can go with their blessings too.

[ODST 5723]

Fixers0 wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...

Never give up. Hold on to your ridiculous logic and be proud, man.
I lol a lot.

At least it is logic, not the crap that bioware sell us.

You're right. You should be the one to save the Galaxy from the Reapers. I always knew using your brain beats brute force. Because you sir, will blow the Reapers up with your logic, literally.
I am bearing here. But they don't know what we civilians know. That's our secret weapon. Plus, thinking too much fries our brain and smoke comes out of our ears.

And now we have the Collector base at our dissposal and were are going to give usless civilians a fake vacaction that will end up in a lot human goo so that we can make us an anti reaper weapon.

It will certainly be awesome to see humanity fight against the Reapers by building thier own....
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wait for it...
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human Reaper

I KID YOU NOT

[dahoughtonuk]

Fixers0 seems to use this standard arguing technique. Keep exhorting until all opponents shut up, ignoring any good points your opponents make. You've still won, even if not through any application of logic. Thing is this method usually works.

Modifié par dahoughtonuk, 25 juillet 2011 - 06:01 .

[Someone With Mass]

dahoughtonuk wrote...

Fixers0 seems to use this standard arguing technique. Keep exhorting until all opponents shut up, ignoring any good points your opponents make. You've still won, even if not through any application of logic. Thing is this method usually works.

If you call being a total nutjob that's impervious to logic as a feasible victory, sure.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Ah yes "The unstoppable force meets the immovable object" we have dismissed those claims.

[Fixers0]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

The alliance also started on earth, look were that went.

Eh, that went good, considering that it got them into the Citadel community, and later gave them a chair on the Citadel Council.

And without the Alliance, Elysium and other human colonies would be in ruins.

Yes, the Alliance started off on earth, but the went to Arcturus, after that tto the Citadel and is now on the Council, and all those other corporations that started on earth also made their way, into the universe, they really don't need to be that dependant on earth as you like to believe.

And in general, Earth symbolic value, and the origin of our species crap, Really shouldn't mean anything to the Big Alliance figures, they just want to make humanity strong and i bet they can do it without 99%  of the population.

After all 99% human loss is preferable above 100% human loss. (like when we send our fleet in).

[CroGamer002]

^You do know most people in Alliance are from Earth?

[GreenDragon37]

Fixers0 wrote...

James2912 wrote...

Losing Earth would be like the US losing the mainland and only consisting of Hawaii and Alaska. Sure the US would still exist but its would no longer be a world power.

That's a wrong analogy, because you are implying that Earth is Mainland of the Alliance, which it isn't it's Arcturus station.  

Really? Because I thought that analogy was perfect. And Arcturus station is not the homeland, just the "military capital".

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 25 juillet 2011 - 06:18 .

[dahoughtonuk]

Someone With Mass wrote...

dahoughtonuk wrote...

Fixers0 seems to use this standard arguing technique. Keep exhorting until all opponents shut up, ignoring any good points your opponents make. You've still won, even if not through any application of logic. Thing is this method usually works.

If you call being a total nutjob that's impervious to logic as a feasible victory, sure.

Well if you've managed to shout down all opposing viewpoints leaving yours unopposed you've won. On the net though everyone's just as stubborn as he is and can come back to it the next day.  So instead of arguing with one person with limited he's arguing with a choir of voiceswith near unlimeted time. Which means he can't succeed as easily.

He eprobaly believes we're trying to indoctinate him.

[Dr. rotinaj]

Fixers0 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

The alliance also started on earth, look were that went.

Eh, that went good, considering that it got them into the Citadel community, and later gave them a chair on the Citadel Council.

And without the Alliance, Elysium and other human colonies would be in ruins.

Yes, the Alliance started off on earth, but the went to Arcturus, after that tto the Citadel and is now on the Council, and all those other corporations that started on earth also made their way, into the universe, they really don't need to be that dependant on earth as you like to believe.

And in general, Earth symbolic value, and the origin of our species crap, Really shouldn't mean anything to the Big Alliance figures, they just want to make humanity strong and i bet they can do it without 99%  of the population.

After all 99% human loss is preferable above 100% human loss. (like when we send our fleet in).

Wow.

Humanity can be strong after 99% of their population is gone? Earth isn't just symbolic almost everything important is on Earth, you know things like HUMANITY.

[Someone With Mass]

Fixers0 wrote...
After all 99% human loss is preferable above 100% human loss. (like when we send our fleet in).

(I skipped the rest, because it was so dumb and nonsensical, I don't even want to bother)

When there's only 1% of humanity left, there's little to no point in saving it. Mostly because the Reapers have more than likely destroyed the entire Alliance fleet at that point.

And when the war is over, the remaining humans will have to survive on their own. 

Not to mention that humanity will probably never be restored to the strength it had before the war, making it nothing but a liability for other races.

But if you like that idea, by all means. Go for it.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 25 juillet 2011 - 06:11 .

[Sgt Stryker]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

James2912 wrote...

Losing Earth would be like the US losing the mainland and only consisting of Hawaii and Alaska. Sure the US would still exist but its would no longer be a world power.

That's a wrong analogy, because you are implying that Earth is Mainland of the Alliance, which it isn't it's Arcturus station.  

Really? Because I thought that analogy was perfect. And Arcturus station is not the homeland, just the "capital".

Arcturus is to Washington, D.C. as the Systems Alliance is to the Continental United States. The colonies are like Alaska, Hawaii, and the various territories, military bases, etc.

Modifié par Sgt Stryker, 25 juillet 2011 - 06:12 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Fixers0 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

The alliance also started on earth, look were that went.

Eh, that went good, considering that it got them into the Citadel community, and later gave them a chair on the Citadel Council.

And without the Alliance, Elysium and other human colonies would be in ruins.

Yes, the Alliance started off on earth, but the went to Arcturus, after that tto the Citadel and is now on the Council, and all those other corporations that started on earth also made their way, into the universe, they really don't need to be that dependant on earth as you like to believe.

And in general, Earth symbolic value, and the origin of our species crap, Really shouldn't mean anything to the Big Alliance figures, they just want to make humanity strong and i bet they can do it without 99%  of the population.

After all 99% human loss is preferable above 100% human loss. (like when we send our fleet in).

Dismissing the fact that this is fiction and that we already know we win,since you do not know the fleet strength near Earth nor do you have an accurate casuality report,you cannot say for certain what is going to happen.Your whackjob theory that Humanity is better off without our homeworld is just absurd,like I said before why,why would all these nations sink trillions of credits into the SA and its fleet and NOT make a treaty ensuring the defense of the homeworld.

"Protocol dictates action."-343 Guilty Spark.

You keep trying to say the ocean would be better off if we polluted 99% of it. you're just wrong

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 25 juillet 2011 - 06:15 .

[dahoughtonuk]

Dr. rotinaj wrote...

Wow.

Humanity can be strong after 99% of their population is gone? Earth isn't just symbolic almost everything important is on Earth, you know things like HUMANITY.

Fixers0 doesn't get it. Humanity is one of the two species we know of, that we're certain are alive,  that needs it's homeworld to be a power. The other well, we know what they're doing at the moment. Being treated as thieves and crooks almost everywhere the go, with the occasional difference in Alliance Space.

Modifié par dahoughtonuk, 25 juillet 2011 - 06:16 .

[Fixers0]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

James2912 wrote...

Losing Earth would be like the US losing the mainland and only consisting of Hawaii and Alaska. Sure the US would still exist but its would no longer be a world power.

That's a wrong analogy, because you are implying that Earth is Mainland of the Alliance, which it isn't it's Arcturus station.  

Really? Because I thought that analogy was perfect. And Arcturus station is not the homeland, just the "capital".

Arcturus is to Washington, D.C. as the Systems Alliance is to the Continental United States. The colonies are like Alaska, Hawaii, and the various territories, military bases, etc.

If they got  there my military up to date i don't what's stopping them from retaining their power, especially since you don't have that giant whiny mainland and all those useless civilians that do nothing  but complain.

[GreenDragon37]

Fixers0 wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

James2912 wrote...

Losing Earth would be like the US losing the mainland and only consisting of Hawaii and Alaska. Sure the US would still exist but its would no longer be a world power.

That's a wrong analogy, because you are implying that Earth is Mainland of the Alliance, which it isn't it's Arcturus station.  

Really? Because I thought that analogy was perfect. And Arcturus station is not the homeland, just the "capital".

Arcturus is to Washington, D.C. as the Systems Alliance is to the Continental United States. The colonies are like Alaska, Hawaii, and the various territories, military bases, etc.

If they got  there my military up to date i don't what's stopping them from retaining their power, especially since you don't have that giant whiny mainland and all those useless civilians that do nothing  but complain.

You're an idiot! I just have to say it! Or you're a very good troll. Where do you think most of the Systems Alliance gets its recruits? Earth! The colonies are nothing without Earth, the Systems Alliance is nothing without Earth! All of the financial backing, all (most) of the new colonists, all (most) of the military recruits they come from Earth!

And if you wanna talk about complaining, go to the other colonies. They complain too, especially Horizon.  They are the biggest whiners.

Ugh, the stupidity of this thread is ridiculous!

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 25 juillet 2011 - 06:28 .

[CroGamer002]

Fixers0 wrote...

If they got  there my military up to date
i don't what's stopping them from retaining their power, especially
since you don't have that giant whiny mainland and all those useless
civilians that do nothing  but complain.

Those "useless" civilians pay taxes for that army and buy most of resources you're selling.

Also many of them volunteer for army and those already in army have friends and families on Earth.

Modifié par Mesina2, 25 juillet 2011 - 06:26 .